I will have to check this one out...I must confess, I never bothered to research the origins of the Robin Hood legend and I thought he was just a paleo-socialist. How exciting to discover a new angle more in line with my own beliefs.
I just got back from seeing it with my wife, brother, and his girlfriend. Although not a good history piece, the sentiment was right on.
I enjoyed it.
The interesting thing about RH is the modern twists to the story. We were told has children he "stole from the rich to the give to the poor." And how noble that was! *sarcasm*
But in the actualy stories (not this film) he was stealing from the Sheriff, who had unlawfully collected more taxes than the people could bear and without their consent.
He confiscated from the state, and returned to the people what was rightfully theirs.
Perhaps someone should explain to these people that the Robin Hood legend has always been about liberty, individual rights and battling government greed. Who do they think were the "rich" that Robin Hood stole from? Corporate fat cats? They were the descendants of the conquering Norman nobles, the government of their time, who got their riches through taxation on the defeated Anglo-Saxon nobles and commoners. Robin Hood and his merry men were taking back what "the government" had stolen, returning it to the people it was stolen from.
In New York's leftist weekly, The Village Voice, Karina Longworth laments that "instead of robbing from the rich to give to the poor, this Robin Hood preaches about 'liberty' and the rights of the individual" and battles against "government greed"; the film, she scoffs, is "a rousing love letter to the tea party movement."
Oh! The horrors of Liberty, rights of the individual, and battles against government greed!
Karina Longworth <--- enemy combatant propaganda mouthpiece. (Yes you can).
Believe it or not, losts of "libertarian" themes in the Middle Ages. Thomas Aquinas, John of Salisbury and Menegold of Lautenbach wrote plainly of the the legality of bringing down a tyrant by force of arms, "just revolution", as it were.
It's another perfect example of the childish immaturity of The Enemy.
I remember - as a child - thinking how "cool" it was that RH would steal from those who had too much and give to those (*LIKE ME*!) who had too little.
There is a great review of the 1938 classic "Adventures of Robin Hood" done by Orrin Judd (the Brothers Judd). Orrin believes that the heart of the legend is that a government must have the consent of the people or they will resist it. In this case, the legitimate king, Richard I, had been kidnapped and held for ransom by an Austrian noble. Richard's mother, the legendary Eleanor of Aquitaine, made sure the ransom was raised (with wool, not gold) to free her beloved son, Richard. She also made sure that John, his father's (Henry II) favorite, did not usurp the throne or get killed by those opposing him. Robin seems to be made up of a lot of freedom fighters who thwarted John's ambitions in the north of England.
Orrin Judd also talks about his "longbow theory of democracy" where personal arms maintain the freedom of the populace against would-be tyrants - from David's slingshot to Robin's longbow to our contemporary weapons.
I think the 1938 film with Errol Flynn and Olivia deHaviland is the classic, but after having seen the trailer, I'm eager to see how Scott and Crowe do with the story.
Well after reading the first paragraph I´ve got to go see the movie. As to who the real RH was,or if he really was at all I´ll leave to the historians.Any comment Mike history is your cup of tea.The only thing I know about England is Blackburn´s writing and the Magna Charter,And that´s from the rightings of the Founding Fathers.
One of my favorite stories from chidhood. I read many a book. I watched Errol Flynn, Richard Greene etal. I played with toy swords and 'fought' the villains and rescued imaginary damsels in distress. Maybe it's one of the reasons I decided to become an actor/writer!
The leftists/one worlders have tried to hijack the story. Rob from the rich and give to the poor etc. They are dead wrong.
History becomes legend and legend becomes myth (Yes, Gandolf said that in Lord of the Rings. I'm a lit./moviephile after all). Therefore, such tales like Robin Hood are malleable to many viewpoints. Even the Founders have been manipulated to be something they were not or at least lie and truth were mixed to water down our history and thus Freedom. Here is what I think Robin Hood stands for.
Those men fought for Freedom against tyranny/oppression. The common people were put upon. Even the little they had was taken to fatten the pockets of a 'noble class'. Robin Hood became an outlaw because he opposed those fat cats. He did not redistribute the wealth. He gave back to the people what was taken from them. He showed that true nobility is of the heart no matter where and how born. Keep in mind we are talking feudal England. Keep in mind that Freedom is timeless and evolved finally to breaking from England and forming the only Constitutional Republic ever (so far).
Try to take what's mine and I'll fight. Remember the 4 boxes. There is a point where we must remember 'no compromise'. A lot has been taken. A lot must be returned. Petition the king for a while then say no more. Our country needs a great Restoration. Teach this grassroots, one at a time. Start 'brushfires' in the minds of men. Be inspired by such tales. Then make your own history!
The boys loved it, but Iron Man 2 was merely okay to me.
Anything with Russell Crowe is generally going to feature a lot of ass-kicking. That's less work for him as an actor, I guess. But I've generally liked his stuff. Gladiator, Cinderella Man, Master and Commander are really good ones.
If the collectivists shriek about it, then I guess I'll HAVE to go see it.
being an avid reager as a child, I had forgotten to some extent who Robin Hood really was. Timing is everything. Maybe I will go see if liberal Hollywood has something good for a change
I just saw the film tonight and the ending that anonymous mentioned could be seen as a collectivist nod or you could see it as better to be poor and free than living large as someone's lap dog.
It's also interesting that this movie served as a sort of prologue for the Magna Carta, written in large part by William Marshall.
How interesting that the Village Voice's Ms Longworth thought it a celebration of the Tea Party movement!
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That, and "Iron Man 2"
B Woodman
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Saw it on Saturday. Except for a couple of silly parts, it was almost a really good movie.
It's Russell Crowe...of COURSE we need to see it!
Now I am intrigued.
Normally I disdain anything coming out of hollyweird. (the last Russel Crowe film 'Gladiator' was another exception')
Guess its time to pony up a few bucks for some trivial entertainment fees
I will have to check this one out...I must confess, I never bothered to research the origins of the Robin Hood legend and I thought he was just a paleo-socialist. How exciting to discover a new angle more in line with my own beliefs.
I just got back from seeing it with my wife, brother, and his girlfriend. Although not a good history piece, the sentiment was right on.
I enjoyed it.
The interesting thing about RH is the modern twists to the story. We were told has children he "stole from the rich to the give to the poor." And how noble that was! *sarcasm*
But in the actualy stories (not this film) he was stealing from the Sheriff, who had unlawfully collected more taxes than the people could bear and without their consent.
He confiscated from the state, and returned to the people what was rightfully theirs.
How different! An important difference.
---KP
Perhaps someone should explain to these people that the Robin Hood legend has always been about liberty, individual rights and battling government greed. Who do they think were the "rich" that Robin Hood stole from? Corporate fat cats? They were the descendants of the conquering Norman nobles, the government of their time, who got their riches through taxation on the defeated Anglo-Saxon nobles and commoners. Robin Hood and his merry men were taking back what "the government" had stolen, returning it to the people it was stolen from.
From the bits I've seen it looks pretty decent, Crowes accent is off putting tho, he keeps changing it and using all parts of the British Isles.
H UK
RE: "paleo-socialist"
Even the Disney book that I read my son at bedtime is clear on this: Prince John stole the peoples' gold. Robin Hood took it back.
In New York's leftist weekly, The Village Voice, Karina Longworth laments that "instead of robbing from the rich to give to the poor, this Robin Hood preaches about 'liberty' and the rights of the individual" and battles against "government greed"; the film, she scoffs, is "a rousing love letter to the tea party movement."
Oh! The horrors of Liberty, rights of the individual, and battles against government greed!
Karina Longworth <--- enemy combatant propaganda mouthpiece. (Yes you can).
Believe it or not, losts of "libertarian" themes in the Middle Ages. Thomas Aquinas, John of Salisbury and Menegold of Lautenbach wrote plainly of the the legality of bringing down a tyrant by force of arms, "just revolution", as it were.
Derbyshire mentions other things here:
http://old.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshireprint111501.html
It's another perfect example of the childish immaturity of The Enemy.
I remember - as a child - thinking how "cool" it was that RH would steal from those who had too much and give to those (*LIKE ME*!) who had too little.
The difference?
The Enemy never outgrew it!
DD
There is a great review of the 1938 classic "Adventures of Robin Hood" done by Orrin Judd (the Brothers Judd). Orrin believes that the heart of the legend is that a government must have the consent of the people or they will resist it. In this case, the legitimate king, Richard I, had been kidnapped and held for ransom by an Austrian noble. Richard's mother, the legendary Eleanor of Aquitaine, made sure the ransom was raised (with wool, not gold) to free her beloved son, Richard. She also made sure that John, his father's (Henry II) favorite, did not usurp the throne or get killed by those opposing him. Robin seems to be made up of a lot of freedom fighters who thwarted John's ambitions in the north of England.
Orrin Judd also talks about his "longbow theory of democracy" where personal arms maintain the freedom of the populace against would-be tyrants - from David's slingshot to Robin's longbow to our contemporary weapons.
I think the 1938 film with Errol Flynn and Olivia deHaviland is the classic, but after having seen the trailer, I'm eager to see how Scott and Crowe do with the story.
Well after reading the first paragraph I´ve got to go see the movie.
As to who the real RH was,or if he really was at all I´ll leave to the historians.Any comment Mike history is your cup of tea.The only thing I know about England is Blackburn´s writing and the Magna Charter,And that´s from the rightings of the Founding Fathers.
Dennis
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Definitely a Hollywood flick, but there were some surprising gems, in particular where the pseudo-Magna Carta is involved.
The little narration phrase about collectivism in the forest at the end soured the experience a little, but overall, not a bad way to blow ten bucks.
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I just got home from watching Robin Hood, what a blast! We can and should learn some leason from it, it is possible to bring the fight to "Them"
Dug up an old entry of mine pursuit to this.
Robin Hood
One of my favorite stories from chidhood. I read many a book. I watched Errol Flynn, Richard Greene etal. I played with toy swords and 'fought' the villains and rescued imaginary damsels in distress. Maybe it's one of the reasons I decided to become an actor/writer!
The leftists/one worlders have tried to hijack the story. Rob from the rich and give to the poor etc. They are dead wrong.
History becomes legend and legend becomes myth (Yes, Gandolf said that in Lord of the Rings. I'm a lit./moviephile after all). Therefore, such tales like Robin Hood are malleable to many viewpoints. Even the Founders have been manipulated to be something they were not or at least lie and truth were mixed to water down our history and thus Freedom. Here is what I think Robin Hood stands for.
Those men fought for Freedom against tyranny/oppression. The common people were put upon. Even the little they had was taken to fatten the pockets of a 'noble class'. Robin Hood became an outlaw because he opposed those fat cats. He did not redistribute the wealth. He gave back to the people what was taken from them. He showed that true nobility is of the heart no matter where and how born. Keep in mind we are talking feudal England. Keep in mind that Freedom is timeless and evolved finally to breaking from England and forming the only Constitutional Republic ever (so far).
Try to take what's mine and I'll fight. Remember the 4 boxes. There is a point where we must remember 'no compromise'. A lot has been taken. A lot must be returned. Petition the king for a while then say no more. Our country needs a great Restoration. Teach this grassroots, one at a time. Start 'brushfires' in the minds of men. Be inspired by such tales. Then make your own history!
The boys loved it, but Iron Man 2 was merely okay to me.
Anything with Russell Crowe is generally going to feature a lot of ass-kicking. That's less work for him as an actor, I guess. But I've generally liked his stuff. Gladiator, Cinderella Man, Master and Commander are really good ones.
If the collectivists shriek about it, then I guess I'll HAVE to go see it.
being an avid reager as a child, I had forgotten to some extent who Robin Hood really was.
Timing is everything.
Maybe I will go see if liberal Hollywood has something good for a change
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Just saw it today, thought it was an excellent movie, best I have seen in a while.
"Rise and rise again until the lions become lambs" major quote from the movie, pretty true, pretty catchy too.
I took my wife, and we both enjoyed it immensely. A couple of silly sex jokes, but aside from that a great film.
Another favorite Crowe film is Master and Commander.
I just saw the film tonight and the ending that anonymous mentioned could be seen as a collectivist nod or you could see it as better to be poor and free than living large as someone's lap dog.
It's also interesting that this movie served as a sort of prologue for the Magna Carta, written in large part by William Marshall.
How interesting that the Village Voice's Ms Longworth thought it a celebration of the Tea Party movement!
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