New York is a s---hole, run by left-wing scabs. I've often felt that if an earthquake were to strike and the whole eastern part of New York sunk below the waves of the Atlantic, the Republic would be better off. Don't go to New York. Don't purchase anything made there. Don't contribute one nickle to their economy.
"Before leaving home, passengers should acquaint themselves with the weapon laws of the jurisdiction that they are visiting and comply with any and all legal requirements if they choose to travel with a weapon," said Queens District Attorney Richard Brown...
More accurately,
"Before traveling to a slave state, serfs and peasants should acquaint themselves with the restrictions and requirements of their condition of servitude and comply with any and all legal requirements if they dare to travel with a weapon...
New Yorkers, are you proud of this? New York "only ones", do you enjoy this? You know, New Yorkers, you CAN change the statutes. New York "only ones" you CAN look up the chain of command and say "No, Boss! I ain't doin' it!"
not sure what the shock is - while i oppose NYC's gun laws, he's an atty - the Volymer-McClure FOPA of 86 would protect him if he were in transit to a location where his firearm possession was legal, but he was "entering" transit, meaning he'd possessed it in NY illegally. Not sure what relevance his california carry permit has in this case
while i'm not a fan of NY's firearms laws, he's an atty - not sure what the issue is with his arrest. the Volymer-McClure FOPA of 1986 would protect him if he were in transit, passing thru NY, but he was leaving NY after a visit, which means he possessed it in NY without a valid NY permit. Did i miss something? otherwise this appears to be a case of incredible stupidity
Eugene Volokh, commenting on "Torraco v Port of Authority of NY & NJ" (2nd Circuit 6/30/20100) and it significance in light of the 926A immunity clause in the Fiream Owners Protection Act of 1968:
"So police officers seem to have nearly unlimited authority to arrest and otherwise interfere with people who are exercising their § 926A rights, with no threat of damages liability or anything else deterring such arrests or interference. And while I’m sure that most police officers want to follow the law, and don’t want to arrest people who are behaving legally, even well-intentioned officers might well know little about § 926A in the first place and even less about the other state laws that they’d have to apply in order to figure out whether the person is indeed transporting the gun legally. Now perhaps this is a necessary evil, given the police officers’ duty to enforce their state law, and the difficulty of knowing all the other states’ laws. But it is a reminder of how one’s rights on paper might not readily translate into rights in practice, even in the absence of any ill intentions on the part of the police."
I had to calm down and re-read this again. The article does say Meckler was in transit.
So, what we have here is the members of the Port Authority AND Queens DA Richard Brown and possibly others unknown to me IN OPEN REBELLION against the United States and The Law Of The Land, the Constitution for the united States of America. I am so tired of Mayor Bloomberg and the various running dogs of New York City attempting 24/7 to outlaw freedom everywhere in this country.
That said, I suspect there may be more to this fact situation than so far presented in this first instance. My above remarks presume that Meckler had landed at the airport and was merely changing planes/carriers for his onward journey/travel.
Should it turn out that Meckler has deplaned some days previous and has been running around Bloomberg's jurisdiction on foot and is just now returning to the Delta check-in counter with his weapon, then I am prepared to amend my remarks.
I have been around long enough to know that just about the only truth to be found in a newspaper is the price printed on its front page.
Now I await clarity from Gotham City of the East River.
If you're going to carry and have a permit in your state, check out also getting a permit in Utah, which is also good in 34 states. I'm on the Left Coast in California, and even with a CA permit you don't carry in San Francisco. They're different there, as we all know.
More to the story here:- http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70548.html
" Meckler, who had been in New York since Sunday, allegedly told authorities that he carries the gun because he gets threats. " He is a lawyer and he should have known better. He was NOT in temporary transit, as his lawyer claims. We may not agree with NY, or Federal firearm restictions, but untill National Concealed Carry Reciprocity get's passed, he was in violation of a NYC/state firearm law. That is why I will not visit NY, NJ,DC or Maryland. Ya gotta know when you can fart against thunder. THis time, thunder won.
Many states and localities have laws governing the transportation of firearms. Travelers must be aware of these laws and comply with legal requirements in each jurisdiction. There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle`s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.
FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS
A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.
looks like a political hit to tie him up in court or jail during the upcoming election
Government is not empowered to grant or restrict exercise of inalienable rights via fee and /or qualification based permission slip structures.
The purpose of recognizing inalienable rights, most especially through specific enumeration ala Blackstone, is to establish,clearly, boundaries between government control over the exercise and Individual control over the exercise.
It is long past time that state and local governments, like their federal counterpart, come to grips with the actuality that their system of assault upon the inalienable rights has run its course and must come to an end. The operators of governmental machination must admit to themselves, and to others, that a decades and decades long wrong must be righted.
Here in Illinois, the argument is always about "preemption" - a state and local issue. This in the face of the reality that "incorporation" is a form of preemption that removes the local and state discord altogether.
The enumeration of certain rights requires that certain policy positions be removed from the table of debate. IOW, some can want to eliminate the right to bar arms all they want, they just have no authority to exact it upon the rest of us.
One thing is for sure, this madness has got to stop. I just hope it does not take what it once took to garner the written political admission that the right to keep and bear arms is indeed a Creator Endowed Right that government has had intentionally removed from its realm of authority to permit and not permit.
The day inalienable rights are reduced to nothing more than government "allowed" permissions is the day the republican form of government is officially dead and preservation of Individual Liberty is no longer the focus of such government - with Tyranny taking the place of Liberty.
Jim22 hit the nail on the head. “He may have obeyed all federal regulations but he violated New York law. It was his responsibility to protect himself from state and/or city laws.”
There you have it … Meckler failed to observe the proper prophylactic measures required to avoid being screwed by the NY system.
Laws no longer serve to protect the people, contrary to what the legislative propagandists will have us believe. We must protect ourselves FROM the law
The very definition of a fascist is that he only likes laws he makes, and considers the laws he doesn't like to be meaningless, then expresses SHOCK! when others insist on enforcing them.
Throw the book at this moron. And stick his photo up every time some right-wing cunt on TV says 'oh, those violent Occupy protests should learn from the non-violent, peaceful ways of the Tea Party!'
'Peaceful' as in 'trying to take firearms illegally on to airplanes.'
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New York is a s---hole, run by left-wing scabs. I've often felt that if an earthquake were to strike and the whole eastern part of New York sunk below the waves of the Atlantic, the Republic would be better off. Don't go to New York. Don't purchase anything made there. Don't contribute one nickle to their economy.
Quote:
"Before leaving home, passengers should acquaint themselves with the weapon laws of the jurisdiction that they are visiting and comply with any and all legal requirements if they choose to travel with a weapon," said Queens District Attorney Richard Brown...
More accurately,
"Before traveling to a slave state, serfs and peasants should acquaint themselves with the restrictions and requirements of their condition of servitude and comply with any and all legal requirements if they dare to travel with a weapon...
New Yorkers, are you proud of this? New York "only ones", do you enjoy this? You know, New Yorkers, you CAN change the statutes. New York "only ones" you CAN look up the chain of command and say "No, Boss! I ain't doin' it!"
That is, if you give a good goddamn.
not sure what the shock is - while i oppose NYC's gun laws, he's an atty - the Volymer-McClure FOPA of 86 would protect him if he were in transit to a location where his firearm possession was legal, but he was "entering" transit, meaning he'd possessed it in NY illegally. Not sure what relevance his california carry permit has in this case
while i'm not a fan of NY's firearms laws, he's an atty - not sure what the issue is with his arrest. the Volymer-McClure FOPA of 1986 would protect him if he were in transit, passing thru NY, but he was leaving NY after a visit, which means he possessed it in NY without a valid NY permit. Did i miss something? otherwise this appears to be a case of incredible stupidity
Eugene Volokh, commenting on "Torraco v Port of Authority of NY & NJ" (2nd Circuit 6/30/20100) and it significance in light of the 926A immunity clause in the Fiream Owners Protection Act of 1968:
"So police officers seem to have nearly unlimited authority to arrest and otherwise interfere with people who are exercising their § 926A rights, with no threat of damages liability or anything else deterring such arrests or interference. And while I’m sure that most police officers want to follow the law, and don’t want to arrest people who are behaving legally, even well-intentioned officers might well know little about § 926A in the first place and even less about the other state laws that they’d have to apply in order to figure out whether the person is indeed transporting the gun legally. Now perhaps this is a necessary evil, given the police officers’ duty to enforce their state law, and the difficulty of knowing all the other states’ laws. But it is a reminder of how one’s rights on paper might not readily translate into rights in practice, even in the absence of any ill intentions on the part of the police."
http://volokh.com/2010/07/02/the-limits-of-the-federal-law-letting-you-travel-with-a-locked-unloaded-gun/
The police may not be hostile to your rights, but you may be damn certain they are indifferent. If you value your liberty, NEVER CONFIDE IN A COP!
MALTHUS
"...while in transit..."
I had to calm down and re-read this again. The article does say Meckler was in transit.
So, what we have here is the members of the Port Authority AND Queens DA Richard Brown and possibly others unknown to me IN OPEN REBELLION against the United States and The Law Of The Land, the Constitution for the united States of America. I am so tired of Mayor Bloomberg and the various running dogs of New York City attempting 24/7 to outlaw freedom everywhere in this country.
That said, I suspect there may be more to this fact situation than so far presented in this first instance. My above remarks presume that Meckler had landed at the airport and was merely changing planes/carriers for his onward journey/travel.
Should it turn out that Meckler has deplaned some days previous and has been running around Bloomberg's jurisdiction on foot and is just now returning to the Delta check-in counter with his weapon, then I am prepared to amend my remarks.
I have been around long enough to know that just about the only truth to be found in a newspaper is the price printed on its front page.
Now I await clarity from Gotham City of the East River.
If you're going to carry and have a permit in your state, check out also getting a permit in Utah, which is also good in 34 states. I'm on the Left Coast in California, and even with a CA permit you don't carry in San Francisco. They're different there, as we all know.
Need more specifics.
If was "just passing through" that's one thing, but if he went to NYFC and stayed a while, it's something else.*
THIS is why I won't go to NYFC - ever, for any reason.
EVER.
Now... If he was doing this to make a point, it's something else AGAIN...
DD
* Yes, I know what the 2A says - and I support it - but let's be realistic -- he HAD TO KNOW what would happen!
He may have obeyed all federal regulations but he violated New York law. It was his responsibility to protect himself from state and/or city laws.
More to the story here:-
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70548.html
"
Meckler, who had been in New York since Sunday, allegedly told authorities that he carries the gun because he gets threats.
"
He is a lawyer and he should have known better. He was NOT in temporary transit, as his lawyer claims.
We may not agree with NY, or Federal firearm restictions, but untill National Concealed Carry Reciprocity get's passed, he was in violation of a NYC/state firearm law.
That is why I will not visit NY, NJ,DC or Maryland.
Ya gotta know when you can fart against thunder.
THis time, thunder won.
from the NRA website
Many states and localities have laws governing the transportation of firearms. Travelers must be aware of these laws and comply with legal requirements in each jurisdiction. There is no uniform state transportation procedure for firearms. If in doubt, a traveler should carry firearms unloaded, locked in a case, and stored in an area (such as a trunk or attached toolbox) where they are inaccessible from a vehicle`s passenger compartment and not visible from outside the vehicle. Any ammunition should be stored in a separate locked container.
FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION
OF FIREARMS
A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage.
looks like a political hit to tie him up in court or jail during the upcoming election
Government is not empowered to grant or restrict exercise of inalienable rights via fee and /or qualification based permission slip structures.
The purpose of recognizing inalienable rights, most especially through specific enumeration ala Blackstone, is to establish,clearly, boundaries between government control over the exercise and Individual control over the exercise.
It is long past time that state and local governments, like their federal counterpart, come to grips with the actuality that their system of assault upon the inalienable rights has run its course and must come to an end. The operators of governmental machination must admit to themselves, and to others, that a decades and decades long wrong must be righted.
Here in Illinois, the argument is always about "preemption" - a state and local issue. This in the face of the reality that "incorporation" is a form of preemption that removes the local and state discord altogether.
The enumeration of certain rights requires that certain policy positions be removed from the table of debate. IOW, some can want to eliminate the right to bar arms all they want, they just have no authority to exact it upon the rest of us.
One thing is for sure, this madness has got to stop. I just hope it does not take what it once took to garner the written political admission that the right to keep and bear arms is indeed a Creator Endowed Right that government has had intentionally removed from its realm of authority to permit and not permit.
The day inalienable rights are reduced to nothing more than government "allowed" permissions is the day the republican form of government is officially dead and preservation of Individual Liberty is no longer the focus of such government - with Tyranny taking the place of Liberty.
Makes me wonder if he did this intentionally, to draw attention to their shitastic attitude about the FOPA and CCW reciprocity?
Jim22 hit the nail on the head. “He may have obeyed all federal regulations but he violated New York law. It was his responsibility to protect himself from state and/or city laws.”
There you have it … Meckler failed to observe the proper prophylactic measures required to avoid being screwed by the NY system.
Laws no longer serve to protect the people, contrary to what the legislative propagandists will have us believe. We must protect ourselves FROM the law
[W3]
fuck the laws of NY.. we have our bill of rights, and our god given right to protect ourselfs
the second amendment is my cary permit
The very definition of a fascist is that he only likes laws he makes, and considers the laws he doesn't like to be meaningless, then expresses SHOCK! when others insist on enforcing them.
Throw the book at this moron. And stick his photo up every time some right-wing cunt on TV says 'oh, those violent Occupy protests should learn from the non-violent, peaceful ways of the Tea Party!'
'Peaceful' as in 'trying to take firearms illegally on to airplanes.'
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