I'm taking a poll. How many of you are willing to kill a Muslim infant because his or her parents are Muslim?
How many are willing to kill a Kurd, the predominant number of which are Sunni Muslim, even if they are pro-American and fighting against the butchers of ISIS? They're Muslim, right? How many are willing to kill a Shia woman, raped and victimized by ISIS monsters, to finish their job simply because she too is Muslim? C'mon. Why don't you extend your sterile and often anonymous demands that "all Muslims must die" to these folks? Don't you want to be philosophically consistent? Or are you prepared to agree with me that there ARE Muslims innocent of any crime and thus not deserving of death at our hands?
I am not arguing about the validity of their faith. I am a Christian, but I also understand that absent the burden of protecting the innocent -- ALL innocents -- from attack by collectivists of any ilk, including Muslim religious collectivists, it is not up to me to execute God's judgment upon someone simply because of their faith, however mistaken it is. Even if you do not share my faith, what part of belief that the Constitution extends to everyone regardless of race, color or religion are you willing to tear up? And if you are, how are you different from the collectivist monsters of every ilk that we claim to fight?
I'd like to know. Right here. Right now. How many of you are volunteering to be baby killers?
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I'll take an infant to raise as an American as long as there is no chance the parents will ever return and try to assert imaginary rights. Hell, I'll take two!
Mitch Rapp
*crickets*
How many Muslims should die to save the life of just one American? The answer is: all of them, if necessary.
It's a case by case basis, Mike. Infants? Certainly not and not "just because" their parents are Muslim.
Could I shoot a Muslim child or woman? I certainly could IF they posed a threat to me or my family or to the American way of life.
I understand your intent to ask the question. However, the question is out of context. Until ALL immigrants are here legally and have been vetted for real and have assimilated and are demonstrating that try are AMERICANS and productive members of American society, THEN. I may be more likely to trust them. As it is, the MAJORITY of immigrants who have come to this country, whether legally or illegally, in the last three or so decades are not interested in being Americans. They don't learn to speak English, they do not assimilate and they send most of their money out of the country. And the Muslims are clearly intending to establish their ideology over American culture. Yes, I could shoot all of them.
I think it's unfair to place the moral liability on Americans when we have been subjected to "tolerance" for years and years and told that we are somehow horrible people because we expect our country to honor its borders and control who comes in. Now after years of seeing the results of this, and knowing that now a very high-risk group of people are being brought into the country some people are saying "enough" and now, once again, the moral liability is placed on us? Bullshit. I have a right to my culture and my way of life as a citizen of this country and I am all out of sympathy and tax dollars for those people who are not citizens. Sorry. Call me a xenophobe or whatever you want. I'm sick of watching my country and culture being destroyed in the name of tolerance. Yes, I could shoot them all if they are not willing to respect my country and adopt my culture. I'm not interested in their inferior culture. If their culture is so fucking great, why did they flee their country? Sorry. America is a melting pot, not a salad bowl. Assimilate or die. Period.
P
So we should just let more in, right? Like when in 1941 fdr let in moderate nazis fleeing radical nazis. Oh wait no he rounded up the Japanese. But no worries, 0bama will make sure his coreligionists will have every opportunity to come here and wage jihad, because the bible says to have mercy on the stranger who wants to kill you and take over your country.
Infants are the real innocents. Babies are no threat. As for Sunni Muslims, their Koran is the same as the Shiites. An enemy of my enemy may be useful in certain circumstance but in the end they are still my enemy.
The idea that if Sunnis "won" the war that's been waged for 1500 years all of a sudden the Islam problem is no more is pie in the sky ideology.
Here is the truth for you right here. WE don't want to kill ANYONE. Not ONE of us, true to the cause, wants to see even one more soul die in war and conflict. WE want all to live their lives, as they aim to live them, provided one line is not crossed. Respect the liberty of others.
Islam, it's books, it's writings, are incapable of respecting that line. It's mission is decide what lines are where and force all to submit to it. Islam IS the most absolutist collectivism there is. I make no appology for recognizing it for what it is and opposing it because of what it is.
There are no good democrats and there are no good Muslims. Collectivists are collectivists. Usurpers are usurpers.
That an enemy employs child soldiers is not my fault, not our fault. It is their fault, the enemy's fault. They bear the responsibility for it- and. It is actually just another demonstration of the evil that is Islam.
No Mike, I'm not "willing", nor do I advocate it, even for the Muslims in the territories held by ISIS.
But here is what I DO advocate -
pedestrianinfidel (dot) BlogSpot (dot) com /2007/02/proposed-constitutional-amendment
Thursday, February 08, 2007
A Proposed Constitutional Amendment
Background and justification to Amendment 28
Whereas Religion is defined as an institution dedicated to improving social conscience and promoting individual and societal spiritual growth in a way that is harmless to others not participating in or practicing the same;
(some deleted)
Therefore: Islam is not a religion, but a political ideology more akin to Fascism and totally in opposition to the ideals of freedom as described in the United States Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.
Be it resolved that the following Amendment to the Constitution be adopted:
Article I
The social/political/ideological system known around the world as Islam is not recognized in the United States as a religion.
The practice of Islam is therefore not protected under the 1st Amendment as to freedom of religion and speech.
Article II
As representatives of Islam around the world have declared war, and committed acts of war, against the United States and its democratic allies around the world, Islam is hereby declared an enemy of the United States and its practice within the United States is now prohibited.
Article III
Immediately upon passage of this Amendment all Mosques, schools and Muslim places of worship and religious training are to be closed, converted to other uses, or destroyed. Proceeds from sales of such properties may be distributed to congregations of said places but full disclosure of all proceeds shall be made to an appropriate agency as determined by Congress. No compensation is to be offered by Federal or State agencies for losses on such properties however Federal funding is to be available for the demolishing of said structures if other disposition cannot be made.
The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is prohibited. The subject of Islam may be taught in a post high school academic environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam’s history of violence, conquest, and its ongoing war on democratic and other non-Islamic values.
The preaching or advocating of Islamic ideals of world domination, destruction of America and democratic institutions, jihad against Judaism, Christianity and other religions, and advocating the implementation of Sharia law shall in all cases be punishable by fines, imprisonment, deportation, and death as prescribed by Congress. Violent expressions of these and other Muslim goals, or the material support of those both in the United States and around the world who seek to advance these Islamic goals shall be punishable by death.
Muslims will be denied the opportunity to immigrate to the United States.
Article IV
Nothing in this amendment shall be construed as authorizing the discrimination against, of violence upon, nor repudiation of the individual rights of those Americans professing to be Muslim. The individual right of conscience is sacrosanct and the practice of Islam within the privacy of home and self is strictly protected to the extent that such individuals do not violate the prohibitions described in Article III.
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You can never "defeat" ISIS or any other "radical" Muslim group as long as the idea of Islam remains. And you can never get rid of the idea all over the world. But you can get rid of it in the USA.
If you want to be a Muslim - go somewhere else in the world.
If you want to remain in the USA then renounce your EVIL religion and be willing to die for American values.
I wrote the above proposed Constitutional Amendment.
Scott
Phx, AZ
Infants getting killed is a fact of war, do research on all past war's. Do sane people like that fact, no they don't, but "WAR" is never a nice thing. Would I kill and enemy infant to preserve our way of life, Yes without hesitation. Would I like it, hell no, but that is between me and my God and no one else. Most never understand the meaning of War, to them it happens else where, an it's just a word. Those who have BTDT understand what is required to prevail and it's not a very nice picture to have within your mind 24/7. However we did not get to where we were by being nice guys in WW I or WW II, we started being nice guys from 8/8/1945 on, tell me what we have won sense then?
For Those who have never been to war it's easy to talk about what is right an what is wrong but, most change their tune once they see their buddys face in 3-4 pieces, or when you can only find his lower torso.
I have no problem with killing the enemy no matter the age, never have never will, but I will never go to war again that has rules either. What was in my glass during my time is between me an God, not some ass hole that uses his desk as a chastity belt, or talks out one side of his mouth and erasing it with, the other side.
All I had to read is the title. Not even everything you had to say, to know that my answer is NO. In my earlier days I had (and still have) a hatred for communism. But the thing that convinced me above everything else that, had I been in Europe during WWII, I would not have been able to join the Waffen SS, because that was the kind of thing they did. Tough as I can be, I could not stoop to killing a baby, no matter who the parents were. And I truly believe that's the thing that separates me from the New World Order crowd. I have a fear of God and believe there's a judgement after this life. The tyrants don't. They'd much rather serve their cloven hoofed master, or believe there's no afterlife at all, which makes them sleep better at night...I think the problem is that we're all getting a little fed up with the animals that cut off Christians heads and blow up and shoot innocent people. And that's what the elite is trying to do. Create a clash of civilizations; knowing that two completely different cultures cannot co-exist on the same soil without atrocities breaking out on all sides. It would be so much easier if we could just arrest the scum that plan and execute these sick, Rand corporation-type ideas instead of falling for their "divide and conquer" machinations..
Count me as totally unwilling.
The way we solve this is by making government do its job: secure the borders -NOW-, halt ALL immigration until we can figure out the intentions of those we have already let in,and STEP OFF the Second Amendment. ELECTING LEADERSHIP THAT REALIZES THIS, SHOULD BE OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY.
It is crystal clear to me that the Muslims aren't the problem- its radical leftists (among other authoritarian types) in government who do not recognize that with all the "gun control" in the world, this is still going to happen because those bent on death and destruction will always -ALWAYS- find a way.
"Gun control" makes for soft targets, as we have just witnessed in France.
If my fellow Americans were unhindered by worthless, asinine "laws" in their human right to defend themselves, there would be no soft targets and as Americans, we wouldn't see these "others" as such a threat that we need government to have even MORE power to do things like shut down mosques and otherwise violate MORE of our unalienable rights.
Put simply-
Government needs to do its job and secure the borders and get a handle on controlling immigration as it is clearly instructed to do as per the Constitution, then respect its lawful limitations so that on the chance they fail (as they always seem to do) at defending the borders as is their JOB, then We The People have no hindrance to defending ourselves.
If we had the SAME open access to fully automatic military grade weapons that the enemy has no problem accessing DESPITE the "laws" against such, the deterrence value alone would be monumental.(300 million Americans armed the way the Founders intended -equal to the military- is one HECK of a homeland security program,no?).
But killing infants?
Really?
People, I'm pissed too, but that way lies madness.
Nice straw man argument. Tokyo Japan March 11-12 1945 "the great fire raid" sixty six square MILES burned to the ground with an estimated 300000 dead. 82% of them women and children under 12. Hiroshima Japan. 78% women and children under the age of twelve. Nagasaki Japan had More war orphans 80+ % of the dead and wounded- women and children. Berlin Germany 1940-1945 almost 100 % of the dead were civilian. WW1 , European history , The indian wars. The "F"in CRUSADES. What makes you think people WON"T do that? Ruthless is the only way to win wars. When you throw in a suicidal religion, that will spend the NEXT 1000 years trying to commit genocide on YOUR tribe , then yes, near extermination of your enemy may be the ONLY way to protect your children, and their children's children' . Islam has been trying to exterminate us for 1200 years. Time to make a statement So that they will whisper for a 1000 years to come. "Don't fuck with them. They kill EVERYBODY". Its time to stop being OBAMA and start being SPARTA. No you punk ass coward, I won't shoot the baby - but I'll blow mommy and daddy's brains out in a heartbeat. Deport them all or kill them all I . DON'T. CARE. Just get them OUT! 150 years of stupid and insane attempts at forced integration have led us from civilizations shining light to Obama and the EU. From the enlightenment to "black lives matter" and the treason of Obama. If you don't want to be part of the solution, then at least stop being part of the problem. The rage is real Mike, and your hubris and shortsightedness are making it worse in America and the world - NOT BETTER.
Perhaps we should have run and asked for free stuff when the British invaded.
"even if they are pro-American and fighting against the butchers of ISIS"
Problem is..the Cowards are Running, Running for free stuff and not standing and Fighting. FOR THERE COUNTY!!!
"how immigration is supposed to work. It works when you admit people from other cultures slowly, giving them time to acclimate and assimilate to the dominant culture, while adding a bit from their own. When you do it with extremely large numbers, it creates resentment not only within the native population, but within the immigrants themselves, who rapidly begin to congregate and form ethnic ghettos. There is no moral requirement for Western countries to admit massive, inexorable tides of humanity from alien cultures into their countries, forever, in perpetuity, overwhelming the native population."
http://sofrep.com/44502/news-roundup-special-radical-islam-cancer-consuming-human-race/
More to the point...http://sofrep.com/44502/news-roundup-special-radical-islam-cancer-consuming-human-race/
"These terrorist attacks would have to happen every single night for six weeks before the beard scratchers at the EU would perhaps start second-guessing their foolish decisions. As the Daily Telegraph writes,
Indeed. This isn’t how immigration is supposed to work. It works when you admit people from other cultures slowly, giving them time to acclimate and assimilate to the dominant culture, while adding a bit from their own. When you do it with extremely large numbers, it creates resentment not only within the native population, but within the immigrants themselves, who rapidly begin to congregate and form ethnic ghettos. There is no moral requirement for Western countries to admit massive, inexorable tides of humanity from alien cultures into their countries, forever, in perpetuity, overwhelming the native population."
I Respect ya for Standing up Mike, But these 'Muslims"/Animals need to Neutralize there own evil or others will. FACT!!
Between these AH's and the DNC/BLM/College White Terds....
Well. Sooner or later UGLY comes to be.
A lot of us have no more cheeks to turn, Sorry Boss.
As to answer your question.. (!)MANY won't
For Obvious Reasons! The Net Never Forgets!!!
Sorry Chief, but I respect your....Beliefs
War is UGLY S^%T , ain't it!
This sounds too much like the "Baby Hitler" question Jeb Bush got last week. The premise is dumb on many levels.
All baby's are innocent. People are a product of their environment and upbringing, but even that doesn't guarantee they will grow up committing acts of evil.
All I was getting at in my blocked post is that we need to fight this war like the last war we really won, WWII, where we did not give a shit about collateral damages. The death of innocents has a great effect on enemy morale, especially when those being killed turn on those that cause Hell to rain down on them.
The correct answer is, "it depends."
Killing an innocent baby in its crib is morally repugnant and utterly indefensible. Religious affiliation of the patents is irrelevant.
If a terrorist/thug/whatever decided to use infants as shields, the decision would not be nearly so cut and dried.
Back in Gulf War 1, one of my duties at the Point Loma sub-base was as a nuke-weaps security guard. That meant I was stationed on the top of a ship with an M14, Kevlar vest and helmet, and observed. If the alert went off, anybody that was on the dock who didn't drop flat, I was to drill. If a outsider tried to use a hostage as a shield, I was to drill the bad guy THROUGH the hostage, because its better to lose one innocent life than maybe 10,000, if a nuke got loose. Would I have done such my duty??? Absolutely. And probably had nightmares for the rest of my life, but I would STILL have done it.
If I have to shoot through an *infant* to kill the bad guy? Yeah, I'd do it.
There is something to be said, Mike, with pursuing justice (or vengeance) several levels down the bloodline; 1) it removes bad genes from the pool, and 2) it sets a hell of an example.
Your query also overlooks the fact that even the "innocent" muslims really dont want to fully assimilate. The Irish, Italians, Germans and Jews all wanted to become Americans; the majority of muslims, not so much. They think of themselves as muslims first, Americans second.
Doesnt mean I want them dead, just removed from the country.
Well put Mike! We need to be vigilant against this kind of mindless rage that makes a target of someone simply because of who they are. I guess many do not or do not wish to understand that it is ISLAM that is the problem and ISLAM's totalitarian ways that make victims, not only of the infidel, but the peaceable Muslim as well who is generally looked upon by the Muslim fundamentalist as not being Muslim enough.
Over 22,000 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since 9/11 and the majority of those attacks have been Muslim on Muslim.
There are many Muslims who just want to be left alone to live their lives out in peace and want nothing to do with the fundamentalists. But it is Islam that needs to be reformed and then enlightened and those who live peaceably given the opportunity to have their input into what Islam should mean to them without the command of Jihad or the division of humanity into those to be killed, be offered to convert or to pay the Jizya.
Nope, not going to do that, ever.
That being said I don't mind stopping all immigration of any Islamists from those failed states and then denial of renewal of visas for the rest and send them back.
Islam is not just a religion. Islam is a form of government, a theocracy if you will. That is the way they view it. The west insists in viewing it only as a religion. A religion that should exist alongside all other religions in harmony. That IS NOT their view of it. As long as the west insists on viewing it only as a religion we will never solve the issue.
Civilized people do NOT kill innocents. That's for barbarians and collectivists.
But I repeat myself.
No bleeping way I would knowingly or willingly harm ANY child (note: I do not consider a 16 year old to be a child.) irrespective of which deity - if any - their parents claimed to worship. I have nothing against ANY Muslim. I do believe that any Muslim who is breathing is potentially a jehadist but I don't want to kill anyone because of that belief. I can only see the use of deadly force to be justified - FOR ANYONE - to prevent an otherwise innocent victim from being killed. I see no reason to allow cops or any other government agent to be allowed to use deadly force in any situation where I or any other citizen would not be allowed to do so. Pinning a badge on somebody does not - or SHOULD NOT - grant them license to kill someone. They are citizens just like the rest of us are. If anything they should be held to a higher standard than private citizens precisely because they have all that training and experience.
The Constitution does not extend its protections to citizens of other nations in other countries.
I volunteer for war. In war, innocents may be casualties though they are not directly targeted.
In war, one chooses one's targets with what weapons one has. If we are reduced to nuclear weapons, many innocents will be killed, and it will still be just.
I am fortunate that the only weapons I have access to are discriminate. Yet even with them, I accept that innocents will be harmed.
Thank you Mike for your comments. I agree with what you are saying. I do see however the frustration that others have because of the insane PC in this country. Most folks really are fearful of Muslim law and culture aggressively and even violently supplanting our waning Christian culture. With good reason. That's really where the "kill them all" comments stem from. When it hits the fan, not many will really have the nerve to go killing like they boast about. It's easy to throw such boasts when you are warm and full behind a keyboard. It's a different story when looking through a sight at a live human being.
Don't waste too much of your time with the blowhards.
You have spoken well now drive on with the mission.
Ari
You are begging the question here. Let's use a bit of intellectual honesty. Nobody is advocating killing helpless babies or anything like that.
However, having been to many muslim nations in the military I and many others can attest to exactly what is happening and going on and yes I think carpet bombing is the correct response to a virulently rabid group of people who want only to kill every last person who doesnt see things as islam does. These people arent raising nice kids who only want to play with your and my kids on the playground. They are raising future Jihad Bait.
Will innocents die in a carpet bombing raid? Of course. Maybe next time, people will think twice before they try to invade a nation by appearing helpless and as refugees. If I were to show up on your doorstep screaming I was going to kill you and had my kids in tow, then I would be an extremely poor parent and I also lose any ability to legitimately claim mercy for the safety of my kids after I deliberately put them in harm's way. That is called using a Human Shield.
Many people around the world want to hold up the Geneva Convention(s) and scream we must play by the rules however, a one sided agreement where we agree to abide by rules/laws or whatever while the other side does as it chooses is not legitimate agreement now is it and it is also not legally binding.
If people of any type or flavor want to come to America or whatever nation to enjoy the benefits and Freedoms here and make a better life for themselves or their families? AWESOME! Welcome! We enjoy having you and yours here already!
If you have come to this nation to murder, kill, sabotage, destroy, rape or molest me or mine or anyone I hold dear? Man, Woman or Child, I will kill every last one of you I can put it my sites and nobody and nothing can stop me.
I think most people will agree with the above so I hope it answers the question.
excellent post.
No way, Jose! this fight is going to be hard, just because it is so difficult to develop inside intelligence.
but we cannot slaughter innocents.
Not I.
Innocence has nothing to do with religion.
Comrade X
It may not mean much Mike, but you have my undying admiration. Count me among those that will fight the baby killers. Count me among those that will stand and say "No" to shedding innocent blood, or rounding up people by the boxcar based simply on their faith or where they or their ancestors were born.
Of course not, nor their parents just because they might be Muslim.
And I am not a Christian, or follower of any other faith.
If pressed I call myself an empiricist.
And I am in complete agreement with the III% Catechism.
But with all this Muslim talk the thought occurs...how many of the people...yes, real people...in the Mid East are actually Muslim?
Many, perhaps most.
But to equate a persons region with what their faith is becomes another form of racism, useful to tyrants, demagogues and insane ideologists.
Anyway my vote is no way, no how...and may ALL the haters burn.
As someone else said I would take the child to raise as an American under no circumstances could I kill a child, that was not a threat to my man and myself
It's a reasonable question, in the context of some of the hyperbolic comments that have been made.
I'm not willing to kill anyone just for being Muslim. But I am willing to wage a war for national survival, regardless of the religious affiliation of the enemy. And in war, innocents die. The harder you try to avoid collateral damage to innocents, the more any enemy worth waging war against will put them in harm's way.
I've observed before that in the war we're going to end up fighting, most of the enemy won't be Muslims. Many of them will have innocent children. If they aren't hungry and desperate before the fighting starts, they'll be so in a week or two. It will be cruelty beyond measure to kill them for the sins and folly of their cynically exploitive leaders.
But I will, because the alternative is to let them kill everyone I have a duty to protect.
It won't matter that most of them aren't Muslims. It won't matter that many of them have no real idea what they've done to deserve death. All that will matter is protecting whatever remnant of civilization that may survive from those who would consume it to prolong the agony of their inevitable deaths. With the collapse of infrastructure, energy economy, transportation, medicine, machinery, sanitation, all the things that support over 300 million lives in this country, it is optimistic to believe that even a third can be saved. It is beyond reason to suppose more than a tiny fraction of the two thirds who have no realistic hope of survival will simply accept their fate rather than seek their own lives at any cost to others.
I agree that raw hatred isn't an answer. Those who live by hate eventually cannot tolerate anything better than themselves, because hate is just a mask for fear. To indulge in hate is to be controlled by fear. If there is to be any hope of victory, it must be love of what we defend which motivates us, not hatred of what threatens us.
But for the love of what we defend, we will wage a war unlike any since the world began, and we cannot delude ourselves into believing that no innocents will die by our hands, even if only days or weeks before they would have perished otherwise. We cannot absolve ourselves of the guilt for that and still be trusted to show mercy when it becomes possible.
If anyone is going to save some that can be saved, it's going to have to be those who went out prepared to kill them if necessary.
C. S. Lewis was a better thinker and way better Christian than I'll ever be. Remember what he had Aslan tell the Calormene soldier and follower of Tash, Emeth, who had always behaved in a virtuous manner?
"I take to me the services which thou hast done to Tash. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him."
―Aslan, talking to Emeth
Glad you weren't the one making the decision about dropping the bombs on Japan in WWII as we might still have been fighting them up into the 50's or 60's with millions more lives lost and ruined.
Islam is antithetical to the Constitution and it is not a religion it is a form of governance, a form of warfare and the greatest body of oppression on the planet earth.
I want them ALL out of my country, every swinging dick, no matter their age or affiliation with Islam and I don't give a fuck about them claiming religious protection.....I just don't give a fuck!! They have nothing to offer humanity but murder, rape, oppression, honor killings, torture, beheading, genital mutilation, stoning, burning people, shootings, etc, THERE IS NOTHING PEACEFUL about them.
Sign me up.....get them the fuck out of my country.
Find a Baptist missionary who has labored in the Middle East and ask them.
Let me say just this, any "Patriot" with in my sphere, that attacks an innocent ( Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Seke, Pagan, Atheist, Black, White, Brown, Red, Yellow, or what ever) will receive a bullet from me... no reprieve..
Couldn't do it - if the parents (usually the male, who use women and children thus) were using any child as a "human shield", I'd just had to make a very well placed round to bring the violent parent down. Then take the child to safety.
If the child came up alone and was holding a grenade, I'd probably just run. That's why the young are sometimes used in guerrilla warfare.
When I lived in Kenya, I took up rock climbing. One of my long time partners was a Shi'a muslim. We would often trade insults about Reagan and the Ayatollah Khomeini while we alternately held each other's life in our hands. We were great friends and were beyond caring about personal religious beliefs or politics.
The last I heard was that Jameel had gone to engineering school in Texas, where he met, fell in love with and married a blonde, blue eyed Texas girl. His family disowned him since she was an "Infidel". Don't know what became of him - heck, he could be a bomb maker, or an engineer for Beretta or S&W.
When I briefly lived in Ethiopia we went on safari and went through the region where the Afar people lived - they are Muslim - we had an Ethiopian game service guide/translator. The boys traditionally begin wearing an ornate knife (the "jile")when they reach manhood. In 1997 when I visited with them for a few hours, boys as young as 12, or less, sported a select fire AK. They were intrigued with my knife - a Randall Model 14 "Attack" - so I let an Afar boy and elders check out the knife, while I field stripped the AK. They were surprised a white guy knew how to do it, and I complemented them on the condition of their weapon - it was Marine clean. We hung out, chatted a little through the guide and shared snacks. They were real "mensch".
Muslims are people too, and not all are homicidal lunatics like ISIS. The schisms in Islam, and the world in general, make our present situation, and where it will lead, already murky with the "fog of war".
IMHO, the problem is that Islam is a "collective" religion, and that leads to many Muslims following "the company line" whether they really believe it or not. Whether it's conditioning, or fear, I don't know. But, ironically, their reasons may be that which have driven the recent patently ludicrous college protests.
My 2 shillingi - YMMV
Thou shalt not kill (murder), sayeth the Lord.
Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Indiana Tell Obama: We Won’t Accept Any Syrian Refugees
Updated list:
Texas
Alabama
Michigan
Lousinna
Indiana
Wisconsin
Montana
Florida
Arizona
Illinois
Massachusetts
Michigan
Mississippi
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Kansas
Georgia
Nebraska
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/16/texas-alabama-michigan-tell-obama-wont-accept-syrian-refugees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29&utm_content=FaceBook
ISIS Has Threatened the Following US Cities
ISIS Has Threatened the Following US Cities
Texas: Abilene, New Braunfels, San Antonio, Wyle, Fort Hood, Bedford, Killeen
Indiana: Michigan City, Bolivar
Michigan: Dearborn Heights, Lake Orion
Connecticut: Barkhamsted, Manchester
Nevada: Reno
Georgia: Griffin
Maryland: Upper Marlboro, Warrensburg, Lexington Park
Arizona: Phoenix
Louisiana: Shreveport, Bossier City
South Carolina: Daniel Island, Charleston
North Carolina: Fayetteville, New Bern
Virginia: Burke, Virginia Beach, Suffolk, Springfield, Norfolk, Chesapeake
Colorado: Colorado Springs
California: Hanford, Solvang, San Ardo, Monterrey, Newberry Park, Carlsbad
New Mexico: Farmington
North Dakota: Minot
South Dakota: Rapid City
Florida: Merritt Island, Palm Coast, Saint John, Middleburg, Saint Augustine
Washington: Colton, Cheney, Seattle, Spokane, Anacortes
Nebraska: Bellevue
Illinois: Orland Park
Rhode Island: Newport
Idaho: Bonners Ferry
http://www.newschannel10.com/story/28603897/isis-releases-kill-list-seven-texas-cities-included
We carpet bombed hundreds of German and Japanese cities, fire bombed Dresden and Tokyo, and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War 2. War is hell but these steps were necessary to end the war. Muslim population centers are fair game in WW3 when they choose to support jihad against the West. Only wholesale destruction of their populations will change their culture so bomb away.
Well, the two most likely explanations for the problem of the violence of Radical Islam are blowback and false flags. Probably both, at various times.
Killing babies plays right into the hands of those who seek to increase violence for power and gain, whether it is the collectivists seeking for more power and money to "fight the problem"; or "true believer" Islamic radicals seeking to recruit moderate Moslems to their cause.
So, my answer is absolutely not, if I can in any way help it.
MarkinPNW
“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
― Golda Meir
She knew more about the subject than most. Certainly more than I do. So I'll defer to her judgement on this one.
Kurds were forcibly turned to Islam. There are also a good many Kurds who are Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Yezedi .....Kurds taking on Sunni Islam (Iranian Kurds are Shia....go figure) was so they could survive.....poor example.
Islam and Islamic nations should be quarantined. Let them sort themselves out. If there are moderate Muslims they will sort out the extremists within their populations. Sever diplomatic relations, sever ALL ties to western nations (business, banking,etc.) until they grow up, reform and learn how to act as a responsible member of humanity.
Islam is an existential threat to free people the world over. Yes, some western governments are as well however they aren't trying to kill us yet......or at least with the proficiency that Islam is currently wielding.
Are there moderate Muslims? who cares? They've done nothing of consequence and never will.
Most of what I might say here has been said (well said) by many posters above.
No, I would not deliberately kill an innocent child in his crib, for any reason that I can think of.
But, these people, promoting this particular ideology (radical Islam) have threatened to kill ALL of us that they can, and are rapidly proving that they are willing to do just that, in some of the most horrible ways imaginable! As President Hollande said this event is an "act of war!". Like in other wars, such as after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, this deserves a violent response in my humble opinion.
War is HELL! Those who have been there know that full well and it is usually "kill or be killed! As has been pointed out above, one cannot fight a war to a draw, as we have tried to do for five decades now, but one has to fight a war to win, as we did in WWII. The United States precipitated numerous events which resulted in large losses of civilian lives during that war. Most people today do NOT know that more innocent men, women and children, died in that first great fire raid on Tokyo, and in the raid on Dresden Germany a month earlier, and over time in Berlin, then died in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki!
I have a friend who is a lifelong bible scholar. In the early years of caring about self defense and carrying weapons for that purpose, I once asked him if he could point out references in the bible that could justify killing another human being under certain circumstances (life threatening to me, family or other innocents) and he did that easily. Killing another in defense of oneself is not "murder" and is not a sin in the eyes of God!
Furthermore he led me to a place where a "preemptive strike" could be justified also. If I knew that someone was planning on killing me and mine, I could find some justification in the bible for taking him out before he could do so!
We need to bring some violence to the part of the world that these crazy folks control, that they can understand. If all the radicals are willing to die for Allah I for one would NOT have the slightest problem helping them do just that. If innocents perish in the pursuit of that end, then that is the responsibility of the savages who willingly put them in harms way.
I will tell you that I am certain that one day the crazies in Iran are going to have a thermonuclear device and they will more then have the willingness to use it! The first one will be their hit on Israel. I hope that ours then follow and turn that whole part of the world back into the stone age where these savages came from! Any American who can NOT see that coming just hasn't been paying attention lately. It is a disgrace that our Commander in Chief kissed their slimy "radical Islamic" asses!
Our President, and how he has (mis)handled this event, is about the most disgraceful thing I have ever seen from any American politican or Chief Executive. He is an embarrassment to all of us. The only thing I can conclude is that he believes they must be justified in their actions, otherwise he should be expressing outrage also, but he isn't. Jeez what a true "asshole" that man is!
Every night I pray to god that America may have great leadership one day again!
WC
We killed 1.3 million Christian babies last year. Why should Musloid babies be any different.
Dr D, when the SHTF, you'll be dead before breakfast. And you'll deserve it because you are a shit-talking traitor.
You people speaking from your high horse of selfaggrandizing moral superiority have no idea whatsoever of that which you speak. You really have zero grasp of what Islam is and you certainly have no idea of what you are in for when the next civil war begins. Lines will be drawn INSTANTLY. On one side will be Americans who want to see America survive and on the other will be the enemies of America including ALL Muslims, communists, progressive authoritarians, Obama and the clueless selfrighteous equivocating fucktards like Dr D who think "reason" and "conversation" are viable alternatives to violence when it comes to defending what is left of this country. Go ahead and think that way. You'll last about fifteen minutes. The rest of the MEN who have posted here who understand the threat will be busy KILLING the enemy, surviving the conflict and preserving the United States of America.
They would have absolutely no problem shooting or blowing up all of your grandkids, once you have some.
Of course I would.
Perched on the end of my bayonet.
I have absolutely no intention of losing this (1400 year old) war. My "government", maybe not so much.
If that is what it takes--so be it. I don't mind wading neck-deep in blood so long as it is not that of my side.
Certainly my enemy relishes such a prospect--I don't, but am prepared to do it if necessary. YOU had better be as well--and ditch the phoney arguments while you're at it!
If they read, believe and follow the Koran, then yes they are trouble and need to be removed/eliminated. You CANNOT believe and follow the Koran and fit into the Western or American Society. If you do not think so, then YOU had better read (in the proper order, not front to back) and understand what the Koran requires of its followers. It REQUIRES its followers to conquer the world and the unbelievers so that ONLY ISLAM reigns over the world. It offers unbelievers 3 choices: 1. Convert, 2. Pay a tax and become a second class citizen/slave or 3. Immediate Death. That is it, you have 10 seconds to decide; and by the way if you convert that doesn't mean we won't kill you anyway.
Islam is NOT a religion, but a political theology that encompasses human life from birth to death that incorporated a death cult for its so called religion.
If you have seen Star Track consider Islam as the Borg.
Just jumped in to say, I do not know of any case in which a person of whatever persuasion in this nation, or our military, has been inclined to kill a baby. ( other than abortionists). Nor can I envision a scenario in which it would be an issue. Babies are not attacking, thus they would certainly not be targeted. I do, however, accept the unpleasant fact of collateral damage, as in nuking the entire ISIS region and also Mecca. As has been pointed out, had we refused to bomb Japan with any bombs - not just atomic, but 'conventional' because any explosive will kill indiscriminately whatever is in the region - then we would not be free today to express our differing opinions. This philosophy would mean that our military would not be allowed to use rockets, missiles, grenades, artillery, et al - because, again, an explosion cannot select who or what is in its path. We have seen the muslime place rocket launchers within the buildings of hospitals and schools, counting on our reluctance to strike such targets. And many of our people have died because of this. Granted, the upside is that our economy would do well since we would no longer use aircraft, battleships, artillery... but if the enemy refused to acknowledge our 'safe zones' and continued in their own scorched earth policy, we would soon be learning to read the koran, and get rid of Bibles, to please our new masters. So, no, no one would target or harm any child; but yes, in tactical bombing or missile strikes, there will be loss of life of the combatants and non-combatants alike. Sherman said war is hell; Moishe Dayan said, no, war is war.
Id hate to see anyone die. Especially a child. However it is ridiculous to think that children, women, elderly so on and so forth wont get killed. If you really want to win a war, you have to kill people. You must destroy their will to exist. We killed children by the 10's of thousands during ww1 and ww2 then again in Vietnam. People seem to forget that. We have knowingly killed innocents time and time again. That is war. That is why you try everything possible to prevent war. Which we as a country have not done. We kill people constantly in other countries. It is practically an industry. Then we give others weapons. they use those weapons to kill even more people. The situation in the middle east is one that we ourselves have created. The results of that are just now getting to us.
This is a foolish question, but I don't believe all these posters that say they would not. If someone is trying to kill me and my family while hiding behind an infant or anyone else I will do my best to protect my family. I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people that say they wouldn't are full of shit! To Dr.D, keep in mind you may not be the only one with bullets!
If you want to win then you must be right.
"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
- God
The original 3 percent new this verse. They read their King James Bible.
****Updated Summary List of states who will and will not accept terrorist refugees*****
States refusing to accept more refugees terrorists (27):
-- Alabama
-- Arizona
-- Arkansas
-- Florida
-- Georgia
-- Idaho
-- Illinois
-- Indiana
-- Iowa
-- Kansas
-- Louisiana
-- Maine
-- Massachusetts
-- Michigan
-- Mississippi
-- Montana
-- Nebraska
-- New Hampshire
-- New Jersey
-- New Mexico
-- North Carolina
-- Ohio
-- Oklahoma
-- South Carolina
-- Tennessee
-- Texas
-- Wisconsin
States willing to continue accepting refugees terrorists (12):
-- California
-- Colorado - but requesting more info
-- Connecticut
-- Delaware
-- Hawaii
-- Kentucky
-- Minnesota
-- Missouri - but requesting more info
-- Pennsylvania
-- Vermont
-- Virginia - but requesting more info
-- Washington
11 are still undecided - it is of utmost importance if you are in one of these states to contact your governor's office PRONTO and tell them NO MORE TERRORISTS
--Alaska -- Walker - states he has not considered it
--Maryland -- Hogan deciding
--Nevada
--New York -- no comment from Cuomo
--North Dakota
--Oregon -- no comment from Brown
--Rhode Island -- claims neutrality
--South Dakota -- claims neutrality
--Utah
--West Virginia -- claims neutrality
--Wyoming
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3009780/pg1
Now 25 Republican governors - and one Democrat too - say they don't want to accept Syrian refugees
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320882/Obama-insists-America-continue-accept-Syrian-refugees-Republican-led-states-line-refuse-entry.html
NO. While I will offer no quarter to evildoers, I refuse to be a monster that makes me no different than them. There has to be a distinction, otherwise we have no claim to truth: the sacred.
I love your blog and you tireless work in protecting our freedoms. And you are entirely right in what you wrote. Innocents must always be protected. That said, I can't help thinking it's a straw man argument. It's simply imminently clear to me that we have a right to choose who enters this country and all muslim immigration should cease. Visas should be so strict that it is virtually impossible to come here as a muslim from muslim countries. Then we give it fifety years for those who are here to fully assimilate and it assures us they cannot reach the magic population numbers that spell never ending disasters in all the other countries that have ever experienced massive growth of muslim populations. ~~~it's simple, no one is in titled to move here and become citizens.
Good post, Mike.
Everybody starts going collectivist whenever an attack happens, even if that attack is retaliation for past attacks. At least half a million Muslims in the Middle East have been killed due to our intervention (including that of France) since 1990. Everybody's fine with grabbing that oil, but they get their panties in a bind when a retaliation happens. Play at empire, expect to take a hit now and then.
As Dr. D said, kill an innocent, look for incoming rounds from me.
Mike,
I agree totally with you on this one. No innocents means, NO innocents.
No innocent babies, No innocent mothers, No innocent fathers.
Thanks for sticking your neck out on this one.
I do not always agree with you.. but clearly you are consistent and a decent man
A
Today it was announced that an East Texas man killed six in a campground near his house.
This guy looks a lot more like many here, than he does to the Syrians... Maybe we should ban Texans moving to our states. That's not far from the logic displayed by many here, or by many Governors in this country.
Prepare, but stop spreading hysteria, folks. And don't follow politicians, even the one's you generally agree with, who use such in there means to get power.
A
I am going to play devils advocate here and use the old adage concerning Native Americans during the westward expansion under the guise of manifest destiny. Little Indians grow up to be big Indians, so the same is true for the religion of death and violence. Little Muslims grow into big Muslims. These animals are emboldened by the lack of response to their aggressive actions and would have no problem killing a white baby in its crib because it furthered their cause. These animals only understand the language of violence, so we must ensure they are never allowed to bring their death cult any further. We must make every effort to eradicate this scourge upon the planet known as Islam. In the words of Marvin Heemeyer "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things".
Read all of the comments. Surprising. What do you think the muslims would do to your children? They would either become muslim or DIE. Your wife would either become muslim or DIE.
I'm sorry ladies and gents, there is no "moral" way to fight for survival. You either submit to the muslim or DIE; or wipe them all out. It's what they want to do to you and yours.
my dad had this problem at Phu Bai. he was on gaurd with the marines (he was a seabee). local woman had her kids go up to the wire, begging for chocolate or anything they could get. they were told to get away. this happened over a few days, every day. then one day the kids had heavy coats on..in really hot weather. lieutenant in charge said to shoot to wound them before they got to the fence..then one of the marines shot both kids in the head. mid-sentence into laying into the marine..both kids EXPLODED and a large force of enemy soldiers tried to exploit the chaos. if the kids had been against the fence, there would have been no fence and the attack would have done a lot more damage.
how accurate this story was, I don't know. I can tell you my dad only told me the story once, when he was well and truly shitfaced, and he cried when he told it. and that man didn't cry about anything.
are there innocents in war? yes, there are. kids can be innocents and combatants at the same time and not even know it. it's sad when parents will use their kids like that. but given the option..even if a little kid..when strapped with explosives, sorry, you're not a kid anymore. you're a walking landmine.
@ Anonymous at November 16, 2015 at 5:07 PM
First off shit-head, you will, if you do your research, find that their are many Admirals and Generals who flatly questioned the need to drop atomic bombs on Japan. And many believe/know that it had more to do with sending Stalin a message. Anyhow... You can do your own research on that. Because obviously, you are just spouting off what your buddy told ya.
Now, if 1.6 Billion, of what you claim to be all Jihadis, wanted to start shit with you... he-he... well, good luck. But the fact is, most of those 1.6 Billion Muslims aren't even giving your sorry ass the tiniest thought. In other words, they just want to be left alone, just like you.
Do I think it is a good idea to be transporting Muslims here? No. Just like I don't think it is a good idea to be transporting Mexicans here. Or Japanese, or Chinese, and etc. I think our immigration system, as it is, is insane.
But that doesn't mean I want to kill them all, because SOME of them are terrorist/criminals.
I will say this... if I were an Iraqi, or Libyan, or Syrian... I'd be pretty pissed off too. Just so you know, 82 percent of Syrians blame USGov/NATO for ISIS. And as an American, I also blame USGov/NATO for ISIS also. In fact, if elections were held today in Syria, Assad would win by a landslide.
Anyhow. Now, before you go on and say, but... but... but... if there were "good" Muslims, why don't they DO something?!
I'll tell you why. For the same reason why you are not FRIKKIN doing something.
You DO NOT know nothing of what is going on over there. You have NO CLUE of USGov/NATO cluster-f*ck strategy over there. But, I will put it to you as simple as I can: USGov/NATO's position is that no collateral damage is to great to oust Assad.
How many State Dept. briefings have you watched just on Syria alone? I'm betting none. But, I bet if you watch, say... 10, you would be scratching your head and saying... WTF?
See, you are running on girl emotions. Emotions that do NOT have a frikken clue. You are not running on reason, or logic. The reason why, is because instead actually knowing what is going on over there, you turn on the Boobus Americanus Doofus Toobus... and hear everything they want you to hear. And now... you are a believer. And as long as they have you as a believer... the GWOT-er-er-er-er can go on forever and ever. All they have to do is just keep your emotions whipped up and waving the USA flag.
See, there is more to what happened in France than you obviously do not know. All you saw and heard about was dead bodies, and for you, that is enough to kill more Muslims who, either are not giving you a second thought, or, killing more Muslims whose families you have already killed... who were not giving you a second thought.
I'll spin your head...
It is Syria’s Assad fault!
French President Hollande, in address to the United Nations on September 29, 2015 blaming the refugee crisis on Syria’s Assad.
https://ruptly.tv/vod/view/35375/un-hollande-blames-assad-for-refugee-crisis-during-unga-speech
Fast forward November 13, 2015. Blames Syrian CIA-ISIS who came into France as refugee’s for terrorist acts committed on French citizens.
November 14, 2015. Bombs CIA-ISIS. The same CIA-ISIS that France has been supporting and arming… to oust Assad, who Hollande blamed for the refugee crisis. The same CIA-ISIS that USGov/NATO/France has supposedly been bombing the crap out of for nearly 2 years!
And/or...
It is Putin’s (and China) fault for the refugee madness, who at the invitation of Assad, is bombing the crap out of USGov/NATO’s proxy terrorists attempting to oust Assad… at behest of USGov/NATO.
https://youtu.be/_LKjPToFUho
Here, have some John McCain...
https://youtu.be/pIDUh5qV--4
Have some State Dept...
https://youtu.be/_R-g8JESXiA
Have some more State Dept...
https://youtu.be/cYyw-xs9zOI
I could do this all day. Anyhow... so when are you going to get to it?
Unfortunately their children will grow up to be the enemies of our children.
Are we to protect our children ... or leave them to sort it out for themselves?
There are going to be some very hard decisions to be made if our children are to prevail.
Was in Holland ten years ago and told by a local that he hated Muslims mostly because he thought that they will force us to, in his words: "Make Hilter look like an amatuer."
WE can concentrate upon cutting off the heads of the beast ... but what does it avail us if we leave any part of the body alive to resurect itself and attack our children.
This may be the last Crusade - there may never be another chance if we do not prevail. The earlier Crusades we not very pretty and did not complete the job.
Last chance for Western Civilisation - and we may even destroy ourselves ... or fail the task.
III
I won't become what I despise. Well said, Mike.
I have two answers:
'One of famous account in the Talmud (Shabbat 31a) tells about a gentile who wanted to convert to Judaism. This happened not infrequently, and this individual stated that he would accept Judaism only if a rabbi would teach him the entire Torah while he, the prospective convert, stood on one foot. First he went to Shammai, who, insulted by this ridiculous request, threw him out of the house. The man did not give up and went to Hillel. This gentle sage accepted the challenge, and said:
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation of this--go and study it!" '
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/689306/jewish/On-One-Foot.htm
And this one:
"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5
And I will throw this one in for free:
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
Amen.
Timothy Roesch
ubtaught@hotmail.com
Asinine argument Mike. what the fuck were you expecting?
You are beginning to sound like an Obamaite. Do not pull this holier than thou shit on people. It is not cut and dried and there will be hard choices but something has to be done or simply bend over and take what is coming. Lots of people jump off with "kill them all and let God sort them out" but in reality and intelligent person can read between the lines without these games.
I wonder how many of these folks that are screaming to kill all of the Muslims were also the same ones that started calling french fries, freedom fries?
shane
Remember people, the US of A and England started all this crap in 2002, when the great, we bow in reference Bush told a lie about the WMD, invaded the middle east, destroyed four countries over 5 years. Would not your be pissed off and want revenge?? The people left behind they want out of a country destroyed. Think about and put yourselve in their postion.
Let me ask you this, Mike. Did the moslems kill any of OUR children, on 9/11, or since? You have your answer.
I dont see a SINGLE muzzie begging for American lives, nor STOPPING their violent brethern.....Fuck em. What I do see is an awful lot of muzzie sympathizers and traitors HELPING them to destroy America and destroy our Constitution, and the bulk of that aid and sympathy is by Obamanation OFFICIALS. i dont know what is worse, ISIS or our ENTIRE FED GOV.
Sign Me, Neal Jensen
Based on this criteria; NO, I would not kill the hypothetical child. For that matter, I would not kill the parent(s) based solely on a difference of ideology. Such are the tactics of the Godless who want to destroy us. I would / will not stoop to that level under an circumstance.
The truth be told, I have absolutely no want or desire to kill anyone for any reason. I very much enjoy being alive. I see it as the number one source of all things fun this side of the grave. For that reason, I respect the lives of others.
Having taken THE oath (twice) I am and will remain an Oathkeeper. Despite all of the wrongs running helter skelter in the world, which are seriously overtaxing my hyperactive need for justice, I strive to hold firm to the catechism of a Three Percenter.
The bottom line is, there is NO justification for taking the life of an innocent man, woman or child.
MikeH.
A Geriatric Threeper
I'm not interested in killing them. But I do want them out of my country. All of them. Then I want every mosque in this country razed.
There is no such thing as radical islam. There is only islam. It is not a religion. It is a tyrannical system that is not compatible with western thought and culture.
I've read the comments that have been generated by your post, Mike. Something all of us have to think about: Are we willing to lose our country to immigrants, legal and illegal?
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When upwards of 45 million immigrants have scurried into our country in less than thirty years how can our culture survive. Especially when those immigrants overtly demand that we turn our country over to them. LaRaza demands that the Southwest be repatriated to Mexico. Believers of Islam demand that the Constitution be replaced by Sharia.
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Our own government is working against the American way of life and has been since before the invasion of the South. When do Americans get a say?
No
Thou shall not murder.
I believe that distinction has been made on here before. Having said that, the only way to wage a war is to WIN it. Sadly that includes collateral "killing" - but not intentional murder...just ask Lieutenant William Calley Jr.
Adopt the babies; put them in foster homes or orphanages. That is what happened after WWII. Many veterans returned to Germany and Japan after WWII as missionaries. I don't see that happening after the various Gulf wars...
Just some rambling thoughts from an "already accused" baby killer.
1967-1971
Mike, When you ask a question out of context it is no better than trying to argue with a progressive collectivist of whatever sort.
So in context of what the palestinian muzzies do, YES, I will shoot through a muzzies baby to kill the chickenshit jihadist threat hiding behind it trying to get a one up on me.
For those of the Bible
King James Bible Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
And what happened when they did not?
Just Sayin.
JMc
Mr Vandenbough (apologies for any misspelling).
Your question is thought provoking, but with all due respect, it is - to use the Facebook generation's vernacular - all about "the feelz".
Certainly, the enemy had no qualms whatsoever about the taking of innocent life.
Disclosure: I am proudly both American and a Sikh, and in the coming months and years will bear the burden of not only looking to protect myself and my loved ones from jihadi scum, but also ignorant nuts who consider anyone with a brown complexion to be fair game, but perhaps that begs questions for another time
I think I can sum up my position as "I will protect innocent life whenever humanly possible" and leave it at that.
I would add that in the specific case of an in infant, that child would be far better off taken from his parents and being adopted and raised in any sort of faith other than Islam.
Sat Sri Akal and God Save The Republic
infant? Nope , not a chance
until it can form its own opinion and act upon it, Ill give it the benefit of doubt
who knows the infant someone kills could be the human to grow up and solve this crap were in, or be the one who finds a cure for some hard to cure disease
Infants arnt looking to rape my wife , or bomb me or my country ...
I am a Christian and an anarchist (voluntaryist is a preferable term. Anarchy is not chaos, despite the nonsense spewed by the ignorant, but the absence of government. Nobody has the right to rule me. I live by the standard that I own myself, you own yourself. We are obliged to not infringe on the person or property of another.
I have no desire to kill or harm anyone. Anarchists live by the Non-Aggression Principle (NAP) that we do not initiate force against anyone. The only force that is ever morally permitted is defensive force....not preemptive force, as advocated by the critters who attempt to "govern" us. I DO have the right to CHOOSE who I live with, engage in commerce with, speak with and interact with. I can CHOOSE to simply avoid all contact with Muslims. I am not obliged to buy from them, sell to them or interact with them, unless I choose to. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me a FREE man, able to choose my own path. I will exercise my own judgment, and live life on a day-to-day, person-by-person basis.
I will not harm anyone, unless they attempt to harm me. Muslims, by the very fact that they routinely fail to denounce the extremism that their brethren espouse, do NOT get the benefit of the doubt with me. I will choose not to harm them, but to disregard them. Their way of life is incompatible with mine. I'm open to interacting with them, when they have given me sufficient reason to believe they are not a threat to me and my family. They have a long way to go.
Until then, I go my way and they will go theirs.
As written, it's a loaded question. There probably aren't many people who, on their own, would simply walk up to a random infant, Muslim or not, and execute it. However, if someone is willing to fire on/bomb/shell/drone strike a Muslim town/group/what-have-you, then they are willing to kill Muslim infants, as that is one possible (even probable, depending on the circumstances) outcome.
As to where the Constitution stops - at the borders of whatever would be considered US territory. It's not a global document.
I am disturbed by the whole "national defense" argument, the justification of "war" and so on. I am a veteran and I used to believe in all the Defend the Constitution nonsense, the "America, love it or leave it" rubbish, but I don't any longer.
What is a "nation" even? People spout nonsense about being "FREE", but we send in money stolen from us willingly by filing tax returns. We send our kids off to commit murder in the name of war, yet we never think.
Do you have the right to initiate force against another human being? Can you ask your buddy to initiate violence on your behalf? Can you and a couple of your buddies ask another person to initiate violence on your behalf? Then how did Congress get the power to do so? Ditto for theft. Stealing from your neighbors to pay for your kids' education is still stealing, even if you call it "property taxes".
The idea that 39 guys (out of a country of almost 4M in 1790) signed a piece of paper and decided that you, me and everyone within a boundary of land have to obey the rules in it is patently absurd. What are you obligated to do?
You are obligated to live your own life. Do not infringe on the person or property of others. Do not steal from others. That is all. Everything that "government" does is either through force or with the implied threat of coercive force. If it didn't use the threat of force, it couldn't accomplish anything.
Society can exist without rulers. The whole idea of patriotism is offensive. It comes about because people are brainwashed into thinking there's us over here, and them over there. You don't have the right to use force against anyone, unless they use force against you. You don't have to live amongst them, but you cannot kill them. Self-defense is morally acceptable. The problem is that we have abdicated that obligation and put it in the hands of a corrupt political class, who uses it to oppress us and pit us against one another. A bunch of fools from ISIS, Daesh or whatever they call themselves today can do little against a population with the understanding of right and wrong, and the firm determination of individuals who rule THEMSELVES and are willing to defend themselves.
You can be ruled by ISIS or you can be ruled by a bunch of politicians in Washington. One may be less oppressive than the other, but at the end of the day, you are still being ruled.
Wanna Beat ISIS...
It's going to require KILIING ALOT OF INNOCENT People including Babies
Undisputable FACT!!
But the Media will protect us and deny us the visual and written truth. FACT!
The UyewSGOV and Self Righteous will leave that to Putin...then lamb baste him for getting it done.
quite frankly it's all BS!! FACT
including this post and our Govt.
I don't understand the point of this exercise. Of course, only a pathological individual would declare that they will murder children, merely because their parents are mooseslime. Children, particularly very young children, are innocent and can generally be raised to be good people. Most mooseslimes are pretty decent people, given their circumstances. The Kurds are excellent people. However, their goodness is in spite of pisslam, not because of it.
But is this exercise suggesting that we rule out strategic strikes against ISIS, b/c they occupy areas in which civilians, including women and children, remain--sometimes by design as human shields--b/c pisslamists are sooooo brave?
For my part, if ISIS has a training camp, ammo depot, torture center, a mosque, a cafeteria, or whatever that it uses to support its operations, it is an appropriate target for annihilation. Women and children who support ISIS by remaining with them, cooking for them, etc. are just that, supporting ISIS and thereby enemies. It's not about their race or religion. It's about their support of an existential enemy organization.
Well that would put my grandchildren in the crosshairs, so as a matter of course, no. Anyone coming at me yelling "Alahu Akbar" or its equivalent, regardless of age, is another story.
Having already posted on this thread, I've read all the comments.
My thought is, regardless of my "feeling" or conviction (since I've never had to make the choice) that I couldn't shoot an infant or child, that "we", as a group , are very conflicted about our response to such a conundrum.
And therein is the salient difference in "our" (mostly products of a Judeo-Christian upbringing)thought process and that of many Muslims. "They" would appear to me (Somalia as example), to be much more ready and willing to sacrifice their children to their beliefs.
Reminds me of Col. Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now" telling how the VC/NVA had cut off the arms of children recently vaccinated by the Special Forces (apocryphal?? - who knows).
Do Americans such as ourselves, for whatever reason, lack the will or resolve to make soul-wrenching decisions that are necessary for the survival of the nation (as a concept)or, indeed, our families and selves?
That, IMHO, is what makes "us" better human beings, although we, and our loved ones, might end up dead as a result.
"It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."
Purposely kill babies?
No,I would not.
Babies being killed due to collateral damage-it sucks,but it happens.
Jihadists have no problem killing babies,young and old women,old and young children.
When it comes to all-out war with Islam-the only way to "win" is to fight like they do-take no prisoners-(unless used as hostages,or for propaganda purposes)-give no quarter,leave no one on the battlefield alive.
The Taliban,Al-Qaeda,and ISIS have no problem destroying buildings,statues,sculptures,churches and other historical and religious buildings and monuments,they have no problem killing everyone in a town,city,or village.
They use little kids as shields,and to run ammo and supplies to them on the battlefield.
It's only a matter of time before they start blowing themselves in football stadiums,churches,at political events,shopping malls/busy stores during the holiday shopping season,I'm sure one or more will decide that public displays such as nativity scenes are offensive to Islam-and blowing themselves up in the middle of a Christmas gathering that features displays honoring the birth of Christ.
Even under these circumstances-I would not intentionally kill musloid babies.
Adopt them and bring them up to be Christians,or Buddhists,or Hindus-anything but musloids,as that would prevent them from growing up to be jihadists.
Adult musloids who do not assimilate to our culture need to be removed from the USA-as do ANY group of "refugees" or immigrants that come here.
Anyone who decides that living here is better than living in whatever third world shithole they came from needs to understand that the reason things are better here is because of our people,who came from all over the world-and who became "American" and did not/do not live as they did wherever they came from.
We need to give the musloids the same choices they gave the Kurdish people,the Yazidis,the Coptic Christians,all other Christians,and the Jews-assimilate,and convert to any other religion-as Islam is not a religion-or die here and now.
The goal of Islam is a worldwide caliphate,and many have said that they will rules the countries they have infiltrated by having more children than the residents of whatever country it is.
Even with all of that-killing babies intentionally is not something any of us should do-if they have jihadist parents,and the parents take part in an attack against innocent people here-then kill the parents-but raise the children as anything but musloid-and the caliphate is no longer an attainable goal,plus the jihadist attacks stop forever.
Well the attacks stop until the next group of whackos starts committing acts of violence against innocent people.
I was in Nam. I'm already a baby killer.
If someone attacks me or mine with lethal intent, then I will do my best to use lethal force in response. No demographics information is relevant - only the actions of the attacker.
I've seen you use the word "innocent" before in posts. By what definition are we claiming anyone is innocent?
Nope. There's no such thing as a muslim baby. A baby can't make that kind of decision to be a demon possessed psychopathic rapist or murderer.
It is the law of the federal government that murdering babies is legal and they tax the citizens to support this law. So what's the problem.
Wow. I see a lot of bold talk from folks who will never ever be in the position to pull a trigger. Talk is cheap in garrison but does not go very far in the real world. This Soldier nor any I know would target kids for the purpose of genocide. Having kids made into unwitting pawns in war is a hard thing to swallow but it happens and you deal with it.
Russians bayoneting Austrian kids or the firebombing of Dresden or, yes, our handing of the Indian Wars were all completely wrong. When we as a people look at another group as vermin to be extinguished then it is certainly a pretty easy step to genocide.
You think you have the stomach to bayonet kids? Cool. Let me assure you I or someone like me will kill you. Everything other discussion just wind.
No.
Just read Mike's post titled, "Ralph Peters Channels Curtis LeMay". Undoubtedly, some innocents would die if the .gov resorted to this coarse of action (like it has in other wars). What about it Dr. D, Paul Bonneau...you going to "send rounds his way. No respite"?
Anyone who *wants* to kill an innocent is a sick fuck...hands down. God will deal with you.
That said, innocents do die in war, often casualties of actions taken to shorten hostilities and preserve lives.
This was a loaded question, Mike. What did you expect?
I guess I'm going to have to build on a couple of previous comments.
All you people talking about how you'll kill anyone that kills babies...prove it.
Go kill an abortion doctor. Then the legislator that legalized his practice.
Then hunt down the women who had abortions.
When you're done with that...I'll take you seriously. I won't necessarily agree with you, but I'll buy that you are willing to do what you say.
Nothing like a good moral preening from high on the hill.
Is it a death sentence to send back children born here with their illegal parents? Some make that argument everyday in between cries of racist or nativist. Innocents die in war, it is inevitable. No, one should not target children but when they're being used as shields, as weapons against you? It is inevitable.
"This was a loaded question, Mike. What did you expect?"
Indeed.
Just thought this should be shared with people from Facebook:
Janna Weimer
Janna Weimer I don't typically go on rants or express my political beliefs here, but I just have to get this off my mind. As some of you know, I'm active duty Army. Aside from that, I am a medic. I've spent 3 years of my life overseas in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I've seen some pretty atrocious sites caused by war, from both sides. I've picked up blown up body parts of friends and I've saved the lives of guys who were trying to kill me and my guys right before I was keeping them from their 72 virgins or whatever they believe awaits them on the other side. Here is an unbiased truthful view to the Syrian refugee situation. My first deployment to Iraq, in 2006, my unit voluntarily ran a childrens burn clinic outside of the FOB. It was a constant target for attacks. You would think that people wouldn't shoot mortars or rockets at their own children, but you would be wrong. We saw hundreds of children, from infants to 18 year olds. The overwhelming majority of the kids we saw (90% or better) were clear cases of abuse. These parents were literally dunking their kids in boiling water, or throwing hot chai at their kids faces... Yes, we're talking about babies, toddlers, kids not even old enough to understand why their parents would do these things to them. HUNDREDS of kids... We saw quite a few of these kids that were sexually abused, both girls and boys. Their parents acted if nothing was wrong with this, even when confronted by our doctors. This is the mentality of their society, not the viewpoint of a few individuals... these beliefs have been accepted to the vast majority of these people. Many were educated, well dressed, well spoken men, but yet, they still raped their own children, and kept chai boys (if you don't know what that means, google it.) During that deployment, we also captured the 3rd largest EFP cache that had ever been captured. There were hundreds of copper plates, homemade explosives, fake curbs to house the EFP's, hundreds of mortars and rockets and howitzer rounds, even an anti-aircraft gun. All of these things came from one place, Syria. Almost every single IED or EFP we found or hit could be traced back to Syria... A lot of the terrorists we captured were from SYRIA... Imagine that. Fast forward a couple years, and I find myself in Helmand Province, in Afghanistan... We had a group of Afghani's that were paid to help guard our little mud hut in the middle of an Afghan village (I wasn't on a fob) These guys also kept a "chai boy" A boy, about 11 years old, who was there to serve these guys sexually. We heard him being sexually assaulted many times, but there was nothing we could do about it. We asked the police, the Afghan Army, and we were told the same thing every time.... it's their culture, and accepted as the norm.... Once again, we captured Syrian made explosives, weapons, and other items... We found Syrian passports during raids... And people out there want us to let these people into the US, with our kids, and near our wives. Near our schools, near our churches, synogogues, malls. Places where we should never have to fear being blown up, shot, kidnapped and tortured... Don't forget what they did to the Egyptian Coptic Christians, or the Jordanian pilot... Don't forget about what they do to rape victims! They stone these women to death for being raped! They behead their own people. Do you think they will show mercy to you? Look at the rape statistics in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium. Facts don't lie... 97% of rapes committed in Sweden were committed by Muslim immigrants... And you want 10,000 of these people here? Even if just 1% of these so called "refugees" were ISIS supporters or active ISIS terrorists, would that be acceptable to you? Chew on it... think about it. Take a good look at your kids or your wife and decide if the risk is worth taking. Feel free to share this if you want.
This poll and its questions of "us being killers" of ALL members of a religion is a major FAIL. The Dutchman is exhibits wrongheadedness for even phrasing it and asking it.
Go question the ones who ARE guilty of the crimes proscribed in their religion.
We aren't the problem.
Somehow I missed this thread while working to get my truck running the last day or so. Islam, Muzzies, Ragheads etc r not our biggest problem YET. If some asshead ran into a crowd with a baby strapped to his chest and virgin vest yes I would ventilate to center mass if I could.
However, the sterilization angle is not one I will EVER ascribe to, I'm good with heads on a pike but not baby heads. I'm pretty surprised how many are here. God will judge each of us in time.
I have no problem denying the sale of medicine, medical equipment, food, food products, food processing equipment and other goods to Aram lands.
Furthermore after 9/11 the USGOV should have denied the sale of military arms, and denied Americans permission to travel,to the Arab lands.
That entire cesspool would have died or starved to death wilts out the west by now.
Well Mike if you will forgive me ....it is a stupid question. I know what you are driving at here but your use of the word infant is a bit much isn't it? Babies do not pick up Ak 47 and shoot and neither do they strap on bombs. I will not dignify this by going into details about who and what might be a legitimate target and what isn't. Do I believe that all muslims should die? Of course not, I made friends, ate and slept in their homes with muslims in West Africa when I lived there....some I would consider a friend today.
There is another thing though that I consider in todays world however. When I see men, women and children dancing in the streets after killings in Paris, and after 9/11. I see a serious flaw in the way these people think. I was just watching a film clip today of a "school" in Syria of children 8 maybe 9 years of age learning how to disassemble and reassemble an AK and practicing fire and maneuver and other tactics and singing praises to allah while doing so. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that our society will have to adapt. Should we consider all innocent until they do something bad, like kill my children? Cmon now ....are we going to do the "coom by yah" horse shit with these people who hate and despise our culture, our country and our religion? The victor (if you can call it that) will have to probably match the aggression of those who wish to do harm to us. I shall strive to do so and not apologize either. What course of action will you take when that woman holding a baby and wearing a suicide vest walks toward you and your daughter while shopping at the mall?
"Mothers around the world are sending baby carriers to Syrian refugees".
Stop and think about the military application of a typical over the chest infant carrier that will instantly occur to ANY Jihadist.
The question of whether we need to be willing to risk shooting helpless Muslim babies to stop Muslim terrorists is NOT hypothetical, and it never has been.
Deal with it.
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