Texas trooper in chopper shoots, kills 2 suspected illegal immigrants
Well, don't cover your load in Texas, whatever you do. I got this link from the leftists at OpEdNews, but some things transcend politics.
HOUSTON -- Two people were killed in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley after a state trooper flying in a highway patrol helicopter opened fire on a fleeing pickup authorities thought was smuggling drugs, officials said.
No drugs were found inside the truck. Troopers found three people shot inside the truck, two of them dead. The third person was hospitalized and seven others were taken into custody, including one who initially fled, according to the statement. All the passengers and the injured person are suspected to be illegal immigrants, officials said Friday. They did not release the identities of those killed.
A Texas Parks and Wildlife warden tried to pull the truck over about 3 p.m. Thursday on a farm road near La Joya, about 75 miles north of the border, according to authorities.
“The vehicle refused to stop and sped up,” Mike Cox, a spokesman for the agency, told The Times.
As the driver fled, the warden followed in pursuit, radioed for backup, and a Texas Department of Public Safety helicopter and ground units were called in to assist, Cox said.
Troopers suspected the driver was smuggling drugs, according to an agency statement released to The Times on Friday by spokesman Tom Vinger. The truck had "a typical 'covered' drug load in the bed," the statement said.
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Isn't "identifying your target before shooting" a part of their training? WTF?
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Have any of Y'all noted? ; Texas law dogs have been killin' anyhing that moves, with or without a gun, for several months now? This makes what 20-30 unarmed people guned down this year? How many more that they killed and put a drop gun on? It seems to go on in all 50 states.
Texas Penal Code … Draw your own conclusions
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm
Sec. 9.51. ARREST AND SEARCH.
(a) A peace officer, or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to make or assist in making an arrest or search, or to prevent or assist in preventing escape after arrest, if:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the arrest or search is lawful or, if the arrest or search is made under a warrant, he reasonably believes the warrant is valid; and
(2) before using force, the actor manifests his purpose to arrest or search and identifies himself as a peace officer or as one acting at a peace officer's direction, unless he reasonably believes his purpose and identity are already known by or cannot reasonably be made known to the person to be arrested.
(c) A peace officer is justified in using deadly force against another when and to the degree the peace officer reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to make an arrest, or to prevent escape after arrest, IF THE USE OF FORCE WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED UNDER SUBSECTION (a) AND:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct for which arrest is authorized included the use or attempted use of deadly force; OR
(2) the actor reasonably believes there is a substantial risk that the person to be arrested will cause death or serious bodily injury to the actor or another if the arrest is delayed.
(g) Deadly force may only be used under the circumstances enumerated in Subsections (c)
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quote:"..a state trooper flying in a highway patrol helicopter opened fire on a fleeing pickup authorities thought was smuggling drugs, officials said." unquote
The truck had "a typical 'covered' drug load in the bed," the statement said." unquote
ummm...drug load? What drug load?
quote:..."No drugs were found inside the truck."unquote
So now the modus operandi is kill first..inspect later, hmm?
Can someone PLEASE prove to me this is not murder? In reality, this is no different than Obomberdiar murdering American citizens..by his word alone. No due process what so ever...zilch, zero...nada.
Ya know, for all intents and purposes..we've finally hit the bottom of the tyranny cesspool. If this is what amounts to "due process" in 'merica ..well I don't know about you..but I submit this nation has become an obscenity. If so called "law enforcement" can kill you on a "suspicion"..they can do anything. Now excuse me while I puke cause there's no words to describe what I feel anymore. Other than complete contempt for these sub human cockroaches...there's nothing left.
Drugs or Wetbacks, both illegal. If they want to immigrate to the USA, follow the rules like our ancestors did.
They are not illegal IMMIGRANTS, they are illegal ALIENS. If they're like most illegal ALIENS, they're also COLONISTS, not IMMIGRANTS. They don't want to become part of US, they want to remain THEM while taking advantage of US.
Somewhere, a Capitalist is crying: "wherz my cheap labor!" And a Socialist squeaks, "Hey! that's two less votes for me!" Good shootin', Texans.
Don't want shot if you are clean? Don't look or act suspicious. Don't dress in the latest hood fashions. Don't put your ass with bad company. Don't be found in notoriously bad places. Don't flee with your vehicle.
There are more than a few innocent men of law during the course of their job who have had to kill or nearly had to kill some non-guilty punk who was in the wrong place with the wrong people, wearing the wrong clothing and behaving guilty as hell just to impress his friends. Don't blame the law for their stupidity.
Texas Penal Code … Draw your own conclusions
Ok, I'll bite. Common sense and info in the article notwithstanding, merely reading the code suggest this may possibly be murder by virtue of the following known information.
There are only TWO justifications for the use of "deadly force:
(c) A peace officer is justified in using deadly force against another when and to the degree the peace officer reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to make an arrest, or to prevent escape after arrest, IF THE USE OF FORCE WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED UNDER SUBSECTION (a) AND:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct for which arrest is authorized included the use or attempted use of deadly force; OR
First off..can someone explain to me HOW a person who is killed via deadly force escapes? sheeeezzusHfuckingchrist..umm, wtf...are Texas Lawmakers fucking braindead or what? I mean..I've seen some real zingers in my time but this one takes the cake.
Unless I missed something, nothing in the article suggests that the "suspects" were fleeing AFTER USING DEADLY FORCE AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE THEMSELVES. So scratch #1 justification off the list.
(2) the actor reasonably believes there is a substantial risk that the person to be arrested will cause death or serious bodily injury to the actor or another if the arrest is delayed.
Unless this cop "believed there is a substantial risk that the person to be arrested will cause death or serious bodily injury to the actor or another if the arrest is delayed".., there would have to be a REASON he "believed", no?
In fact, the article failed to even substantiate the reason the FIRST officer tried to stop the vehicle. I'm certainly no attorney, but given the fact that nothing has been reported about the first officers "reasonable belief the arrest..." wait..wait.. WHAT ARREST? The first officer hadn't even stopped them yet..so how could he possibly "believe the arrest or search is lawful"..in the first place. Unless cops can arbitrarily stop people for no reason..this is the crux. WHY DID HE WANT TO STOP THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Furthermore..even if they were fleeing..at what point can an officer arbitrarily kill a suspect without some kind of proof they had done something to invoke section (C) in the first place. Unless "fleeing" is considered good enough to kill ya.. and if it is..goodbye 4th Amendment..which for all intents and purposes appears Texas thinks they are exempt from constitutional restraints.
However, let me address one more Dumb-O-Meter record breaking comment here.
quote: "Drugs or Wetbacks, both illegal." unquote
So... in your Parallel Universe, it's ok to murder an AMERICAN kid on the street who happens to be carrying a joint.. and flees from a cop...hmmm Mr. Brilliant? And btw, can you PHULLLLLLLEEESE explain to me WHEN these repugnant cops determined the citizenship status of the dead in question..hmmmm? I'd REALLY be interested in how YOU knew they were...ahem...WETBACKS?? Oh yea..ummm..can you show me the Texas or Federal statute that describes the conditions under which an officer can murder a ..ahem...so called...WETBACK? hmmm Mr. fucking braindead. sheeezus ..ya know..I'm beginning to believe that Texas must have a statute requiring all Texans to get a fucking lobotomy.
PS.
quote.."If they want to immigrate to the USA, follow the rules like our ancestors did."
Priceless. Just fucking priceless.
Ok Mr. Clueless..let's take a look at this contender for the Big Bang of Stupidity, shall we? First off, just for starters, why don't you show us the Statutes that were in place when the fucking PILGRAMS landed...hmmmmmmmm????????? yes...the ones that over a MILLION immigrants prior to 1776 had to "obey" before they could..umm..how you say..."legally immigrated"...yeah THOSE STATUTES...er. "rules"...the ones MY ancestors had to ....nevermind.. this is beyond ridiculous.
good god..I can't go on..this is an epiphany... did I mention Lobotomy's....fuck.
note to self..file under A,B, and C
A. nominations for the terminally don’t get it
B…the plum bob of incredulous
C.insights of the galactic dumb
What is it you folks are missing here? These were law breakers; they were endangering others by failing to stop for the warden. I have no sympathy for them. They broke the law, failed to stop/surrender to law enforcement and then proceeded to break more laws. If this happened more often, there might be less of a problem. Texas has enough problems securing the border with minimal assistance from the Feds. I am sure if the driver of the vehicle had shot/killed the warden with a F&F firearm, you would be singing a different song. Texas Penal Code supports his actions and there is an obvious reason for that.
Lest y'all get the wrong impression, here is my take. There is ZERO difference in these LEO actions if they are perpretrated on the most despicable lawbreakers or you and me. First, all we have is the LEO narrative. How many times has that proven to be self-justifying? Second, the Constitution protects these mokes as well as us. You may call them "invaders" or whatever you like, but they are entitled to due process. Hence, if you do not want to be killed by poorly-directed gunfire from a helicopter yourselves, you'd better be concerned about this.
Some people still don't get it. This is just a preliminary to the real action to come: shooting anybody, immigrant or not, from a helicopter. Government never stops their depredations where you think they ought to stop. It's got its own kind of "logic".
Mike, I posted the applicable justification section of the Texas Penal code, without comment, for exactly the reason you mentioned in your 09:42 comment.
If our fellow readers will re-read what I posted and maybe even use the http address I provided I believe they may understand that I couldn't find in the "news" story, as posted, any legal justification for the use of deadly force against the fleeing occupants of the vehicle.
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When I was a youngster we lived in Salinas California and my Dad would talk about the Wetbacks that would be found near the railroad tracks where he worked. It wasn't until just recently that I learned that President IKE had a program called Operation Wetback where any illegals would be immediately arrested and deported (usually in the same day) back across the Mexican border. Flash forward to present day where Salinas has a 52-53 percent hispanic population and a MURDER RATE SIX TIMES THAT OF LOS ANGELES. Tell me now, has that influx of wetbacks been GOOD for Salinas California or any other city?? My ancestors were NOT PILGRIMS but came here in the late 1800's and followed all the rules and PROSPERED by working hard. I for one have relatives who are in the top 1% of wealth from HARD WORK which the latest bunch of Foreign Invaders (WETBACKS) do not believe in.
quote: What is it you folks are missing here? These were law breakers; they were endangering others by failing to stop for the warden. unquote
Far out. Well, I'll posthumously let the victims know you think they were allegedly lawbreakers... and.. and... were allegedly just victims of an overly zealous cop who judged/prosecuted/convicted and executed them per the now legitimized policy of targeted killing via Eric Holders secret memo authorizing said policies. Did I mention far out? Very far out indeed..like a fucking parallel Universe....
btw ...ummmm...now..what was that they were charged with? oh, and..exactly why did they try to stop them in the first place? oh, sorry for those pesky questions..I know..I know..they didn't have the right to know why they were being stopped..ummmmDAMN..yeah..illegals..gottcha. sheeesushfuckingcrist what I would give for facepalm smiley about now. Or a stickin my finger down my throat smiley....
Either defend your borders or surrender your country.
The choice seems to have been made by quite a few, here.
How are those spanish lessons coming along?
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