Comments on Pro Libertate: If We Prick the State, Does It Bleed?

Oh, it gets worse -- it always gets worse.... Jus...

2014-09-11T22:54:29.451-06:00

Oh, it gets worse -- it always gets worse....

Just today I was able to get a copy of the "Amended Judgement" against Bill Esbensen, which set out in detail the "restitution" process and the terms of his two-year probation.

The "Payee" is listed as "Malheur County District Attorn" [sic], who is said to be entitled to $18,097.95 in "restitution."

The document specifies that "Restitution shall be dispersed by the court clerk so that victim(s) each receive an equal amount of each payment."

How, exactly, is Dan Norris or anybody in his office a "victim" in this matter?

The "Judgment Creditor" in this arrangement is "State of Oregon," and the "Judgment Debtor" is William Esbensen. This means that we're supposed to pretend that Esbensen borrowed, or otherwise, contracted a debt with the "State of Oregon" -- and we're also informed that the court's ruling "creates a judgment lien" on his property.

And yet it still gets worse:

"The court may increase the total amount owed by adding collection fees and other assessments. These fees and assessments may be added without further notice to the defendant and without further court order"

So at a time of his choosing, subject to no oversight or accountability whatsoever, and most likely as a result of ex parte action by the DA's office, Judge Baxter can pull a new "assessment" from his tax-fattened retreating orifice and impose it on Esbensen -- and then enforce it by sending him to jail, adding whatever "collection fees" he pleases if the victim can't make timely extortion payments.

Bear in mind, all of this is being done to someone who provided a legally recognized medicine to willing clients, and was prosecuted under a now-invalid state ordinance.

Can you imagine a private citizen trying to get aw...

2014-09-11T22:42:29.409-06:00

Can you imagine a private citizen trying to get away with this? "Oh I demand he recompense me for my costs. What you want me to account for those costs? How unprofessional!". The judge would kick his ass out of the courthouse so hard he'd bounce.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said ...

2014-09-11T22:42:20.637-06:00

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master — that’s all.”

.that the Malheur County Sheriff had “received, th...

2014-09-11T22:35:38.331-06:00

.that the Malheur County Sheriff had “received, through equitable sharing … $30-$40,000” '
You keep using that word "equitable", I do not think it means what you think it means.

Thank you, Mr. Grigg. Apologies for misrememberin...

2014-09-05T14:36:03.320-06:00

Thank you, Mr. Grigg. Apologies for misremembering your previous articles. I should have gone back to confirm, but I was lazy ;-)

Thanks again for your work.

Joyce, the forgery -- as well as interstate wire f...

2014-09-05T09:09:36.103-06:00

Joyce, the forgery -- as well as interstate wire fraud and subornation of perjury -- were actually committed by Boise-based DEA Agent Dustin Bloxham, aka "Dustin Hankins" --

http://www.scribd.com/doc/229763976/Information-about-corrupt-DEA-Agent-Dustin-Bloxham

Bloxham's intent was to defraud people in order to steal from them, which means his offenses -- unlike those of Esbensen and Kangas -- were actual crimes.

It's worth reiterating that he did not have authorization from Idaho's US Attorney, Wendy Olson, nor was he deputized by the Malheur County Sheriff's Office, which would be necessary in order for him to operate within their jurisdiction.

Gil strikes me as the kind of Punitive Populist who reflexively identifies with high-level criminals like Bloxham, while taking vindictive pleasure in the suffering of harmless businessmen like Bill Esbensen and Scott Kangas.

Gil, In this case, the neighboring state fabricate...

2014-09-05T08:20:42.515-06:00

Gil,
In this case, the neighboring state fabricated official looking documents to trick someone from legally selling medicine.

git; dim witted as ever. Luton Ian

2014-09-05T04:03:01.065-06:00

git; dim witted as ever.

Luton Ian

Poor L.I. you sound as though: "I want to be ...

2014-09-04T20:27:45.585-06:00

Poor L.I. you sound as though: "I want to be a low-level criminal who engages in what I feel are 'victimless' crimes and expect the cops to leave me alone and focus on the 'real' crimes."

git wrote: "His only "crime" was c...

2014-09-04T11:57:53.045-06:00

git wrote:
"His only "crime" was committing a criminal offence (again)."

and how many has git committed in the past 24 hours?

The World Health Organization recommends at least 5 a day, as part of a healthy lifestyle.

If every offence against piece of paper were punished, we'd all be suffering expropriation and caging.

What git (who is probably the dullest witted troll of all that comment on abolitionist sites) fails to work out -is that following his logic, the police state and its costumed goons has a pretext to take any of us at any time.

The page number of the piece of paper which they have supposedly offended against to end up being abducted, caged and expropriated, is simply a reflection of the priorities of the bureaucrats at that time. It bears no relation on any objective aggression committed against individual human beings or their property.

In the present case, the priority appears to have been value of assets which could be stolen.

In other cases which Mr Grigg has researched and reported, it has included attractiveness to a sexual abuser, or satisfaction of beating and murdering to predatory sadistic psychopaths.

Pray that you don't tick any of the boxes du jour, git.

Luton Ian

Mr Grigg, I tried to send this when it was current...

2014-09-03T13:10:20.055-06:00

Mr Grigg, I tried to send this when it was current but your email bounced and I didn't have access to blogs:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/44/4491.asp
"sheriff busted over brutal road rage traffic stop" (N. Mex)

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/44/4493.asp
"judge orders more prison time for cop who beat motorist" (Iowa)

Lava

His only "crime" was committing a crimin...

2014-09-03T00:49:38.293-06:00

His only "crime" was committing a criminal offence (again).

The sad part of all of this is, they will get away...

2014-09-02T05:01:54.936-06:00

The sad part of all of this is, they will get away with it. If a real investigation was done (not a snowball's chance) and showed the truth and the criminal actions of the people working for the state. It would shine light where darkness is the cover needed for many government employees. The people's government has been hijacked by criminals that hide behind their government employment.
This situation brings up questions about the courts. So how can such victims of crimes go to a court seeking justice? What lawyer would want to put their careers on the line going up against such a criminal enterprise?
And one of the larger questions of this whole matters is, where is the investigating media with the newspapers, tv and radio stations?
Its going to get a whole lot worse and a lot of innocent folks are going to have crimes manufactured against them. Because they have something the government employees want to steal.

This is typical (unfortunately) cooperation betwee...

2014-09-01T20:57:03.644-06:00

This is typical (unfortunately) cooperation between two agencies that should never be this close. But when MONEY is concerned to hell with honoring your pledge to defend the citizens of your state. The local police in this case have made no effort to cover up this shady crap that they pull. As for being really good friends with a bunch of feds that part means that your local sheriff will NEVER use his authority to boot the feds out of his territory for anything that they happen to want to do. A sheriff has the authority to keep the feds out if the feds want to arrest someone or serve a warrant in his territory. Did you know that?

It is said that when the armed robber attacks a pe...

2014-09-01T18:03:52.675-06:00

It is said that when the armed robber attacks a person for their money, the robber has already convinced himself that the victim's money is HIS.

Sounds very like a by-proxy version of the attitude on display here, no? Apparently, the victim, going about his business of trading freely with other people, somehow cost someone else money. I'm going to need a whole bunch of drugs for this to make sense.

Reefer Madness, indeed. I've watched the come...

2014-09-01T16:16:08.089-06:00

Reefer Madness, indeed. I've watched the comedy-horror movie by the same name and found it entertaining in the same way I find good ole sci fi and horror schlock entertaining. This Reefer Madness exercised by 'our' uniformed 'polished turds' is NOT entertaining! I really hate it when the 'zombies' running amok in our lives are real ones, whose "value" I am forced to pay for!

Thank you for meticulously researched and reasoned...

2014-09-01T15:01:24.298-06:00

Thank you for meticulously researched and reasoned piece.

I suspect that a forensic audit of their books would be almost as welcome to them as another positive HIV test would be in the Californicated porn film industry

except that the work of the pornographers is consensual, neither picking pockets, nor breaking legs, and they are producing a product which must remain within the budget that their customers choose to pay for...

I'm seeing worrying reflections in the conversations which you quote - of something which I saw a few days back in the comments to Jeff Deist's piece about police states over on Mises.org

That was a fallacious "cost of production theory of value" from a commenter posting as "friend of cops" https://mises.org/daily/6852/Police-States-and-Private-Markets#idc-cover

The gist of the half formed argument appeared to be that because policing is a dangerous job, the service provided is valuable.

clearly that's fallacious on both grounds - cop is not a particularly dangerous job (it occasionally makes it into the top ten most dangerous job categories, far behind construction, mines and quarries, forestry, commercial fishing, farming...), and the effort expended to polish a turd, in no way increases that turd's value.

There also appeared to be an implication that by making policing more dangerous (or more costly) that the service provided would somehow become more valuable.

I think that we can guess which class in society, our cop sucking friend would expect the increased costliness and danger to fall upon - and which would hope to enjoy the supposed increase in value.