Comments on Pro Libertate: Boise’s Proposed Thoughtcrime Ordinance

William, I don't know where to begin. What ex...

2012-12-04T22:17:40.547-07:00

William, I don't know where to begin. What exactly do you believe? You say you share antipathy towards government but then out of the other side of your mouth you'll use the big stick of government to smash people over the head. Why? Because of what some idiots have done in the past? And what in the hell does Black Friday have anything to do with the above article. I avoided it because I have no desire to get run over just so some lunatic can shave a few bucks. Outside of that it's none of my business. I like people, all people, so long as they don't get a baseball bat out to wallop me to feel sorry for them. That doesn't endear anyone to me. Any if you have no respect for private property then you have no respect for the individual, much less even yourself. That's the sort of thinking only a slave could babble out.

And while we're at it the Boise City council approved this piece of cow plop. My only hope is that it will be stricken down.

While I share your antipathy toward Government, I ...

2012-11-26T19:07:31.245-07:00

While I share your antipathy toward Government, I hear much about the market healing all wounds, but I don't know that I believe it. And if you want to know why, witness the frenzy of this past Black Friday. What is the Market going to do to prevent us from more Fukushimas? I would think the people of Idaho should know about mining companies and a legacy of deliberate bankruptcy, and messes left behind. As for gay people in Idaho, I think as long as the market is dominated by mindless consumers who care nothing for the earth, that doesn't bode well for anyone in Idaho, or anywhere else, for that matter.

Persoanally, I like the gay people I know, I just don't care so much for the drama. :) I generally care considerably less for moral pronouncements. Much less for the sanctity of private property when it has proven such excellent cover for Mammon. Or some simulacrum. Still, as I said today, to friend at big bank, William N Grigg is much the reason I say, no good of any kind can come from militarizing the police.

Anyone who doubts where this is leading should rea...

2012-11-24T18:06:58.338-07:00

Anyone who doubts where this is leading should read The Gulag Archipelago.

Comrades since we elected President Hussein the Me...

2012-11-18T17:28:26.851-07:00

Comrades since we elected President Hussein the Messiah we are all one big happy collective. Rally around comrade dear leader and he will smote the warming and intolerance and lead us to glorious times!

@Honor Your Oath We need to stop speaking in terms...

2012-11-18T17:18:08.513-07:00

@Honor Your Oath We need to stop speaking in terms of "should have the right..." This implies that the right is dependent upon it being granted. Rights aren't conditional; rights simply ARE. So it's not that they should have the right, it's that they DO have the right, and it's incumbent on the State to not interfere with it.

to any homosexual reading this...this silliness DO...

2012-11-18T14:37:38.148-07:00

to any homosexual reading this...this silliness DOES NOT help your cause. as an example...do you fags want to be COMPELLED to rent your home to a someone you consider to be a redneck bigot? of course not.

And most of them (or anyone else of rigid ideologically dogmatic mind, whether of the left or right) will tell you straight-up that such laws only apply to "the other side." Because THEIR "bastards" are in power, and thus have control of the machinery of law, what they say goes. There's no "justice," "equality," or "rule of [natural] law" about it. In other words, it's Lenin's "who to whom" in action, regardless of whether the "who" at a given time consists of left-wing faggots or right-wing redneck bigots.

A business owner should have the right approve or ...

2012-11-18T12:31:24.985-07:00

A business owner should have the right approve or deny his or her services based upon what ever reason they believe. If service is denied because of race then so be it. The government should play no role in such matters. However the person denied service has the right to protest via free speech avenues. Public opinion and free market choices will resolve the issue...no government force necessary.

Mikey... Unintended consequences? I would argue t...

2012-11-18T12:19:44.276-07:00

Mikey... Unintended consequences? I would argue that it's absolutely "intended". That's the whole point: to shove tyrannical diktats down everyones throat. People need to quash such statist tripe and in the meantime continue to voice the libertarian message of "liberty for all" without the need for laws. Someone who can't accept that is any enemy who'd more than likely have you shipped off to the camps just so long as THEY felt safe.

people, we are through the looking glass. the &qu...

2012-11-18T09:43:00.691-07:00

people, we are through the looking glass. the "progressives" have no interest in the constitution, legitimate limitations on power when it does not serve them, or the right to free association.

now the "fags" and "queers" and "homos" will be able to use the labels but our "rude comments" are chargeable offenses. you can't make this shite up!

to any homosexual reading this...this silliness DOES NOT help your cause. as an example...do you fags want to be COMPELLED to rent your home to a someone you consider to be a redneck bigot? of course not...you have the right to freely associate and discriminate against such people if you choose to. this is the essence of a free society.

like all "laws" this starts with a good intention but will surely morph into unintended consequences

@Anonymous "You can't control your sexua...

2012-11-18T08:14:50.675-07:00

@Anonymous

"You can't control your sexual orientation anymore than you can your gender or race. . ."

Likewise, I cannot control my Libertarian beliefs against the unjust use of force by
persons or governments. Does this qualify me for status as a protected "group"?

If I run for office can I then prosecute those that don't vote for me based on the
intent to discriminate against my Libertarian beliefs?

You might say, "You don't have to be Libertarian," but I reply that this is
not at all true. If I abandon my Libertarian beliefs and accept yours it is only
under duress and as such is a lie. I would have to live in the political closet.
I could just as easily say, "You don't have to be gay," and we all know
where that argument leads, i.e., to the same closet.

If the Gay community were to push for Liberty rather than political coercion
then I would join their activism but as it is they are the best example of how and
why democracies devolve into facist prisons.

Martin Luther King Jr. did not protest in Montgomery for the adoption of race
laws but was protesting unjust existing laws. In other words, he was for
liberation not legislation.

On the other hand, the Gay community is using political power to create legislation
that forces me to act in their best interest whether or not it is in my
best interest, and it is for that reason and that reason alone that we are apart
and will remain apart. I don't hate your homosexuality, but I do hate your fascist
little hearts.

You may love your same sex partner but you certainly do hate me.

Assault is assault. Also this is Idaho folks, and...

2012-11-17T20:02:56.150-07:00

Assault is assault. Also this is Idaho folks, and for some leftist liberal queer boys (no offense intended, just a statement using older more clearly comprehended words) and girls, you'd think they'd educate themselves and actually start packing a gun. How much more impressive to show they are empowered by SHOOTING their assailant and nonchalantly adding "just cause I'm queer and minding my own business doesn't mean I'm a pushover."

I know a queer or two who keep their stuff to themselves instead of shoving it into everyone's faces. I have no qualms with anyone, but most of the flamers I met reaaaaally wanted to light everyone's shit on fire. Pardon me for the more vulgar lingo, but that's the way it is.

And to the collectivist morons who continually tell me that another type of assault is "worse" than any other, that is pure nonsensical BULLSHIT! PERIOD!

You hit me because I'm straight, or because I don't pray the way you want me to, or because of any reason whatsoever, I'm still going to shoot you until you stop trying to hit me and no longer pose a threat! Period. End of discussion. Assault, true assault (not that nonsense cops use to make innocents into felons or pleabargainers to misdemeanor assaults to avoid felony status) is always and always will be easy to tell. You hit me when I'm not bothering you in any way, or attempt to hit me when I tell you I'm not interested in you or dealing with you, and we have a situation. If you're queer and refuse to defend yourself, you deserve whatever you get.

Thanks, certainquirk!

2012-11-17T16:05:01.535-07:00

Thanks, certainquirk!

This is the issue that caused me to swallow the pr...

2012-11-17T15:34:22.701-07:00

This is the issue that caused me to swallow the proverbial "red-pill." In the early nineties I was a hard-core, gay left-liberal. As a result of said pill, over a period of over ten years, I became an anarcho-capitalist. (I'm still gay).

I was arguing with my libertarian sister-in-law about discrimination laws and how we needed them. She calmly pointed out how a free-market could resolve such issues. At the time, I resolutely continued to deny it, but in the back of my mind and down in my gut was the undeniable thought--"she's right."

The time spent learning how the market can and should handle these social difficulties is far more rewarding than any time spent believing the government is a solution. If the latter were true, we should be close to utopia by now, but the reality is the world is coming apart because of government intrusion in individual lives.

It's hard to convince minorities (and even the comfortable majorities) of this, but it must be done if people are to be free.

Thanks for the article Mr. Grigg.

Motive is important in determining whether a crime...

2012-11-17T14:53:42.860-07:00

Motive is important in determining whether a crime has been committed.

The question of motive is what (to borrow from Aristotle) we can call a question of second intent; it is useful only to establish whether and against whom a crime is committed. The overt act may be punished, but no government has jurisdiction to punish malign motives.

And being attacked for who you are is arguably worse than a random attack or robbery. It's an attack on a group rather than just an individual.

On this construction, everybody who belongs to the arbitrarily defined "group" is victimized, whether or not he or she was injured. This makes sense to those who subscribe to the irrational dogma called "collectivism."

I assume that there is still a significant LDS pop...

2012-11-17T14:33:10.874-07:00

I assume that there is still a significant LDS population in Boise; I'm also assuming that many of them own businesses. I wonder how this latest edict will play out against a group whose sincerely held beliefs may incline them to violate said edict.

If the past is any guide to go by, and if LDS "communities" are anything like the "evangelical Christian" communities in any given locality, something along the lines of the following will happen:

1. Thunderous rhetoric erupts from pulpits across the region on a string of Sunday mornings, with preachers warning their congregations of another ungodly law in the works (emanating from the very same secular government that the preachers decrying these ungodly laws routinely urge their parishioners to blindly obey, usually by misquoting Romans 13).

2. Committees of the Righteous (CoR) are formed among the various congregations to organize efforts to petition city or county councils, state legislatures, or other political bodies over whom the Righteous mistakenly think they have any real influence.

3. CoR crowds converge on city/county council meetings, state legislative assemblies, and other secular political bodies in an attempt to make their positions known to the region’s political overlords.

4. The political overlords ignore the Representatives of the Righteous and pass the ungodly law anyway.

5. The CoR, its immediate mission having failed, quietly disbands.

6. Preachers fulminate from the pulpits on a string of Sunday mornings in the wake of the ungodly laws passage about the evil group of politicos who passed such a law and that God will judge them for what they are. This is usually immediately followed in the next breath by a sermon on Romans 13, in which the preachers remind their parishioners of their obligation as Faithful to obey the edicts of the civil authorities who hold power over them.

7. Within a few months, all returns to normal on Sunday mornings. Any passing reference to the ungodly law the passage of which was the recent point of contention is met with either a shrug, a sermonette on how sodomites are damned to hell, or a “Huh? What law are you talking about?”

Motive is important in determining whether a crime...

2012-11-17T13:16:59.781-07:00

Motive is important in determining whether a crime has been committed. And being attacked for who you are is arguably worse than a random attack or robbery. It's an attack on a group rather than just an individual.

I, for one, would be much more receptive to critic...

2012-11-17T07:43:45.794-07:00

I, for one, would be much more receptive to criticisms of these sorts of laws if they weren't always couched in Bronze Age mythologies. The right of people to engage in voluntary business transactions is paramount, but why do the people seeking protection from the state always have such horrid ways of thinking in the first place?

Furthermore, it's more important that people be able to live their lives to the fullest, regardless of whether someone else's god disagrees with who and what they are. You can't control your sexual orientation anymore than you can your gender or race so why should someone be denied being a full part of society because of it? It's absurd on its face.

All of that said I agree wholeheartedly that things like this are best left to the market to sort out. It may take longer but it's bound to have fewer unseen consequences.

This starts off on a faulty/ questionable premise....

2012-11-17T04:17:08.623-07:00

This starts off on a faulty/ questionable premise...

"....claimed to have been assaulted because they were gay. They also claimed that they were afraid to report the crime out of fear that they might suffer repercussions if they went public about their lifestyle....."

Why in Gods name would they have to bring up that they were Gay in reporting an assault? What would a conjectured motive for a crime have to to with whether or not the crime occurred? I don't know if I believe this supposed discussion at all. I makes little sense.

With the influx of "lifestyle" seekers i...

2012-11-16T22:20:51.291-07:00

With the influx of "lifestyle" seekers into Idaho I'm not at all surprised that they'd use the power of the state to force people at gunpoint to submit to their diktats. It's the way of your typical progressive tyrant. When you complain of something THEY do it's always "If you don't like it turn the channel" but when the shoe is on the other foot it's "Your money or your life". Their "tolerance" only extends to those of a like mind otherwise you'd better watch out! This ordinance will face a challenge all the way up should it pass and then will be struck down as it rightly should.

Commie queers, what do you expect?

2012-11-16T12:35:39.493-07:00

Commie queers, what do you expect?

Will...excellent piece as usual. I assume that th...

2012-11-16T09:47:39.433-07:00

Will...excellent piece as usual. I assume that there is still a significant LDS population in Boise; I'm also assuming that many of them own businesses. I wonder how this latest edict will play out against a group whose sincerely held beliefs may incline them to violate said edict.

Ever tried talking to the average Joe about privat...

2012-11-16T08:46:22.127-07:00

Ever tried talking to the average Joe about private property rights? What a disaster, as most people seem to think it is perfectly OK for some outside force (government) to dictate what others do with their own property.

I'm not sure we can turn things around until the majority of people in this country understand the role private property (and full control over that property) plays in a truly free society. Until that happens, I think we're screwed.

Great piece, as usual, Will.

One does expect this kind of garbage from the stup...

2012-11-16T08:13:34.613-07:00

One does expect this kind of garbage from the stupid lib-tards down in Boise.

Pandering to the perverted un-godly.

Sheesh.

Bob
III

The majority wants this stuff. It is an active and...

2012-11-16T05:35:50.033-07:00

The majority wants this stuff. It is an active and unwavering few that keep this stuff from being like the international standard of such.

excellent expose on the TALMUDIC TERRORISM in Idah...

2012-11-16T05:28:26.039-07:00

excellent expose on the TALMUDIC TERRORISM in Idaho...

now when is the trial for Horiuchi scheduled on the docket...?

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2012/11/blowing-up.html