Comments on Pro Libertate: The Shadow of Claude Dallas

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2017-03-18T23:12:19.502-06:00

...Says someone who comments anonymously

You're certainly correct in saying that this w...

2017-02-18T11:09:10.402-07:00

You're certainly correct in saying that this was neither a discussion nor a debate. Those terms refer to an exercise in which two people exchange ideas, buttressing them with relevant factual citations when disagreement occurs.

In this colloquy (however one wishes to describe it) only one of us has proceeded in that fashion. Spoiler alert: It wasn't you. :-)

You aren't engaging in any discussion with me,...

2017-02-18T10:56:25.432-07:00

You aren't engaging in any discussion with me, you are just spouting your deranged beliefs, repeating your religious mantra to yourself to "prove" your point just by restating it, as if your dark paranoia is justified by the fact that you are darkly paranoid.

Discussion is pointless with an insane person and you are clearly mentally disturbed. I don't debate with people like you who do not have a grasp of reality; since you are not really "debating" anything, I'm just stepping out of this forum, sort of like choosing not to step in dog shit. But you should stay here (think of it as an extension of your prison cell) where you feel safe, however; like-minded failures, criminals and sick hermits who imagine themselves to be "patriots" will applaud your anti-social, sociopath-philosophy and anti-American diatribes and you'll feel better about yourself, which might reduce your symptoms. You have a lot in common with Ted Kaczynski; it would be equally pointless to reason with you as it would be to do so with him. Neither of you will ever see things rationally. Bye.

I understand entirely why you are desperate to fin...

2017-02-18T10:07:59.063-07:00

I understand entirely why you are desperate to find some self-serving way to opt out of a debate with me: Why does the baloney avoid the slicer, after all? :-)Your preferred approach, by your own admission, is to ignore what your interlocutor says while polluting the air with petulant, adolescent abuse. If you're not a cop, you certainly fit the personality type, which is to say that you're manifestly unsuitable for the company of productive people.

As pointed out above, the American Founding Fathers were a group of men who took up arms against the enforcement caste of the government that ruled them. The first martyr to the cause of American independence, Crispus Attucks, was a black "felon" (as an escaped slave, he "stole" himself) who was killed while attempting to disarm a Redcoat, i.e. a law enforcement officer. Interestingly, Captain Preston and his squad were put on trial for murder after the Boston Massacre, unlike contemporary LEOs who can kill and abuse people with something akin to impunity.

Sorry, I didn't read much of the religious scr...

2017-02-18T05:48:35.812-07:00

Sorry, I didn't read much of the religious screed with which you replied. What I read in the first 2-4 lines made it clear you are an anarchist and that you are mentally unhinged, either of which traits disqualify you for discussion about civil society. Somehow your paranoia has morphed into a superiority complex where you believe your ideas and opinions were those of the founding fathers. Though the way you adhere to those written words as your moral authority is bizarre; I suppose it's just a part of your mental illness, just as my pointing out that you are probably mentally incompetent will probably be to you another example of how society oppresses you. The direction your sociopathy takes is disturbing since you celebrate the deaths of two humans at the hands of the coward Dallas. I take solace in the fact that you're probably in jail.

One cannot be bigoted -- as that term is commonly ...

2017-02-17T21:45:59.510-07:00

One cannot be bigoted -- as that term is commonly understood -- against a profession, despite the puling protests of police unions that people in that occupation should be treated as a "specially protected class." Since every police officer -- from "A student" to "D student" -- is invested with the spurious legal entitlement called "qualified immunity," they already are a specially protected class.

Roughly ten percent of police officers are incorrigible, depraved people; perhaps half that number are genuinely honorable people. The rest are careerists in an occupation that renders no measurable benefit to society -- and whose performance expectations are calibrated to protect the depraved ten percent, rather than to cultivate the qualities of the relatively admirable five percent.

Law enforcement is an anti-social activity. Police are not required to protect the persons and property of individual citizens; any benefits of that kind provided by them are incidental to their chief mission, which is to enforce the edicts of the political class, at the expense of the productive.

Consider this: If police "serve" the public by protecting us, why are there between three and five times as many private security officers as there are sworn LEOs? Spoiler: This is because people who want that protection must pay for it, in addition to being taxed to support the state's armed enforcement caste.

It has been known for more than four decades (Google the Law Enforcement Foundation's Kansas City Police Experiment) that police patrols have no measurable impact on the rate of violent crime. Since police do nothing to protect people, either the individual or in the aggregate, their "services" are something we can do without -- unless law enforcement were dramatically reconfigured to serve a reactive function akin to police departments (and, most importantly, subjected to criminal and civil liability on precisely the same terms as the rest of us).

Not surprisingly, law enforcement is an occupation that selects for the stupid and the sociopathic, and the behavioral profile of a "super cop" is very close kindred to that of a super predator (see https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=181019).

One illustration of this tendency is found in the well-documented fact that spouses and partners of LEOs are twice as likely to be the victims of domestic violence -- and the first priority of police investigating such crimes is loyalty to the Blue Brotherhood, not to protect the victim and hold the perp accountable (see http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2005/02/a-family-affair.aspx)

If we were to assume that Dallas was a "sociopath," his romanticized self-image and capacity for impenitent violence would have put him in good stead if he had chosen to become a police officer. From what I've been able to learn, Elms was a careerist, and Pogue was the kind of person Dallas would have been if Dallas had insisted on bullying others from behind a shield of "qualified immunity." People like that have a talent for getting other people killed, needlessly. Law enforcement hasn't cornered the market on that personality type, but it is exceptionally over-represented in the ranks of the state's punitive priesthood.

Cops, like any field of endeavor even crack pot he...

2017-02-17T16:54:38.315-07:00

Cops, like any field of endeavor even crack pot hero worshipping violence pushers, vary in talent at their job. Think of it like high school students. On the one side of the continuum you have those students who want to learn for learning's sake, let's call them "A Students". On the other end you have the type who "don' care bout no book lerning", let's call them "D-Students". The vast majority are somewhere in the middle, but in any group there are going to be the inferior student. It's that way with every profession and it is inevitable that with a profession like police or ranger there are going to be bad seeds, but that doesn't mean you can generalize to the entire profession. In other words, you can point to anecdotes of some idiot who is a cop when he or she shouldn't be in that position. The reality however is that civil society relies on police who are there to protect society from sociopaths like Claude Dallas. Your hyperbole and bigotry against a profession you don't appreciate probably stems from you, like Dallas, feel that your "rights" supersede those of everyone living in this country. You pretend that not believing in your mountain-man fantasy somehow makes everyone but you and that murderer Dallas stupid when in fact it just makes it glaringly obvious you are simply a deranged misfit, or like Dallas a skulking, sneaking jackal with no humanity.

Examine the brown-shirted tax-feeder in the photog...

2017-02-17T13:07:01.731-07:00

Examine the brown-shirted tax-feeder in the photograph at the top of that blog. There is the face of a true coward and sociopath, the kind of cretinous thug who believes that a government-issued costume gives him the right to threaten, or kill, one of his unarmed betters.

Dallas was outnumbered, and Pogue -- a fool and bully who got himself and another man killed for no good reason -- threatened to shoot Dallas, as the only eyewitness on the scene testified. Dallas didn't "sneak-shoot" the two "heroes" who had come to arrest him, and had deployed themselves in such a way that he had to get off two shots very quickly. That he was a very quick and accurate draw was well-documented, and it explains why the manhunt following the killings was conducted the way it was.

On the topic of adolescent deviance of the kind that eroticizes the use of deadly force, consider how police trainer Dave Grossman encourages officers to see the killing of a Mundane as an aphrodisiac:

"Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex [following a deadly force incident]. There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”

In that specific seminar, which was video-recorded for the recent documentary "Do Not Resist," Grossman concluded by encouraging the superannuated adolescents in his audience to indulge their superhero vigilante fantasies, telling them to find an overpass overlooking the cities they afflict, then grab a railing lean forward, and "let your cape blow in the wind."

People whose otherwise uncluttered minds are filled with fantasies of that sort aren't fit for the company of the decent people upon whose honest earnings they subsist.

"Outdraws"...so you believe his lightnin...

2017-02-17T12:45:42.697-07:00

"Outdraws"...so you believe his lightning reflexes prevailed as they all simultaneously slapped leather just like in your favorite movies and your hero-wetdreams, huh? A pussy like Dallas doesn't fight fairly like you imagine; such a pansy flower would sneak-shoot unsuspecting humans because he wanted to protect his "right" to steal from other citizens because his desires were worth more than human lives. He is a sociopath, plain and simple. You with your simple-minded fantasies are pathetic. You're both effing losers. Here's hoping you both die in jail.

Somebody who outdraws two armed, trained LEOs and ...

2017-02-16T20:22:00.991-07:00

Somebody who outdraws two armed, trained LEOs and then holds off their allies for months all by himself can't be described as a "coward."

If Dallas had rendered aid to Pogue and Elms, rather than dispatching them like wounded game animals, he would -- and should -- have been acquitted of all charges on the grounds of self-defense.

You must have been sleeping in grade school while the rest of us were learning about the "cop-killers" who precipitated the War for Independence by opening fire on law enforcement officers at Lexington Green. Tax-feeders in government-issued costumes aren't sanctified beings, and our history demonstrates that there are some occasions when killing an LEO is both morally justified, and patriotic.

Claude Dallas is nothing more than a cowardly litt...

2017-02-16T19:57:20.404-07:00

Claude Dallas is nothing more than a cowardly little SOB that got off lightly for the cold-blooded murder of 2 law enforcement officers, period. Nothing about this scumbag should be revered. Chicken-shit little cop killers hiding under the blanket of "living free" are nothing more than chicken-shit criminals no matter how "patriotic" they want to be.

The tradeoff for enjoying a secure life in a civil...

2015-10-06T15:43:08.105-06:00

The tradeoff for enjoying a secure life in a civilized society is that you allow the authorities a monopoly of coercion through force

Not being a Leninist, I don't subscribe to the idea that government should enjoy "power without limit, resting directly on force" -- and neither did the authors of the Second Amendment, who not only defied "law officers in the commission [sic] of their duties," but shot and killed them when it was morally appropriate to do so.

While you extol the virtue of "liv[ing] by the rules like the rest of us" while embracing a doctrine that elevates the state's dispensers of officially licensed violence above the people whom they supposedly serve. That view is certainly "modern," but it's hardly civilized.

Your twisted dreamland reasoning runs in the face ...

2015-10-06T15:05:45.720-06:00

Your twisted dreamland reasoning runs in the face of the simple facts of the law and reality. The tradeoff for enjoying a secure life in a civilized society is that you allow the authorities a monopoly of coercion through force. Get it? You cannot defy, much less murder, law officers in the commission of their duties. Got a beef with how they're doing their jobs? Take it to court, like the rest of us. You have no "property rights" on public land. Your personal sovereignty mountain man libertarian la-la-land BULLSHIT is nothing short of sociopathic, in the literal sense. Look it up. Get a clue. You're not as special as you think you are. You're just another citizen who has to live by the rules like the rest of us. Don't like it? Go live by yourself, and I do mean BY YOURSELF...but wait, that's not really possible, it it? GUESS YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO SUCK IT UP AND MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF MODERN SOCIETY LIKE THE REST OF US, HUH? "Good for you?" "Good shooting?" You make me want to vomit. Ugh.

i was in prison in ks with claude and found him to...

2014-08-24T20:55:59.173-06:00

i was in prison in ks with claude and found him to be one of the most respected polite people i have ever met. glad we became friends

I was a cowboy (buckaroo) who worked in that same ...

2014-07-06T00:58:05.435-06:00

I was a cowboy (buckaroo) who worked in that same country as Claude and on at least one of the ranches he did also both before and after the incident.

When they came to take him he did what every American should be doing now when swat teams come to harass us - he pulled out his six shooter and blew them both away!

Good for you Claude. Good shooting! I've worked with those who you worked for and I know the country you were taken from. I punched the same cows you did although we never met. I've thought about what you did for years now. Some people say you did right and and others say you did wrong and maybe you even thought so too at times while sitting in prison.

Well, given the way I've seen things deteriorate in this land and the lawlessness of the government, courts and police agencies, I'd say you did the right thing. You were ahead of your time not behind the times.

The thing that was wrong about this whole deal was that nobody backed you up. A million Americans should have gone to war, for you were a call to arms that they didn't hear.

DDT

i have read everything to do with claude dallas. i...

2014-02-04T11:39:52.673-07:00

i have read everything to do with claude dallas. i was 15 when that actually happened and it came out in an outdoor life magazine. just know that there are still some of us left with that polite independent spirit who practice our rights even in the east. i loved claude dallas and live not too far from where he was born and lived in his early years (Winchester, Virginia.)

Claude Dallas is a fken Ni*r. He got off light...

2013-08-14T13:36:23.812-06:00

Claude Dallas is a f**ken Ni***r. He got off light compared to his cold blooded actions. I don't care who says otherwise. A killer is a killer, regardless.

If that Tripp CKSKR was on top of my wife. She'...

2012-12-14T13:41:27.000-07:00

If that Tripp CKSKR was on top of my wife. She'd of had to roll his carcass off of her.You can take that to the bank.

is there a legal defense fund we could donate to o...

2012-02-05T06:07:38.617-07:00

is there a legal defense fund we could donate to or some other way to help the McCutcheon family?

Here in New England we had our own Claude Dallas -...

2012-02-04T21:03:41.164-07:00

Here in New England we had our own Claude Dallas - his name was Carl Drega. People that knew him - said he was not someone you wanted to provoke. Yet if left alone - he did not harm anyone. However Scott Phillips the trooper who instigated the shoot out (and lost) with Drega was well known in the community as an arrogant person. Unfortunately he chose to bully a man who on the face of it seemed "easy" yet behind the facade was one tough bastard. He should have known better than to pick a fight with a heavily armed, union pipefitter, who cherished his property rights. The outcome was predetermined before the bullying even commenced.

MoT Indeed. Just gazing at the public arena in t...

2012-02-02T08:09:02.144-07:00

MoT
Indeed. Just gazing at the public arena in the US you would not suspect there exists any legal restraint on the legislature or the executive. I think the USSR had a supreme tribunal, but you never heard anything of substance from it. Just a shadowy background figure.

WillB, It's indeed a sad indictment of the &qu...

2012-02-01T12:02:20.158-07:00

WillB, It's indeed a sad indictment of the "system" that it stands mute in the face of such evil but you can lay all the blame at their feet for either allowing or actively promoting things to get this far. It is what it is. Spooner said as much about the Constitution which is routinely violated because it essentially does not bind them unless they wish to be bound. And when have you ever known these psychopaths to restrain themselves unless by a direct mortal threat?

Mr. Grigg, Just listened to your interview with Le...

2012-02-01T07:01:11.416-07:00

Mr. Grigg,
Just listened to your interview with Lew. You are one of the very few who when asked about the murder of Anwar al-Awlaki, remembers to mention the murder of his 16 yr. old son.

I have not heard any official justification for the "execution" of this juvenile. The Supreme Court has ruled in Roper v. Simmons that persons under the age of 18 have diminished capacity and thus the death penalty for juveniles is cruel and unusual.

So, despite the legal arguments for and against murdering Anwar, there is absolutely no legitimate argument for murdering a 16 year old juvenile with diminished capacity. Of course the argument will be that he was not the "intended" target, but of course this is all a matter of state security and top secret.

Like you, I am very alarmed about the abuse of executive power in the U.S., but am growing more and more alarmed about the lack of response by our Supreme Court which is supposed to act as a check and balance on the abuse of our Bill of Rights. They are sitting on their hands and doing nothing. They use "standing" arguments to avoid the appearance of being reactionary, but in fact are using it to avoid the issues all together.

If the Supreme Court continues to stand mute, then there is no check or balance whatsoever. They are the ones we should be railing against.

In addition to exporting US industry and jobs, the...

2012-01-31T13:20:04.617-07:00

In addition to exporting US industry and jobs, the US government is now exporting its citizens' human rights

UN demands Syrian leadership to step aside and “put an end ...human rights violations and

***attacks against those exercising their rights to freedom of expression.***”

http://rt.com/news/un-resolution-syria-russia-131/

Meanwhile, in Washington DC:
Corporate revenue collectors and law enforcers taser unarmed man offering no resistance -

***because he was exercising his rights to freedom of expression***

http://rt.com/news/occupy-police-taser-protestor-033/

And Obama-administration's militarized cops attack those exercising their rights to freedom of expression

http://rt.com/news/occupy-oakland-police-unlawful-069/

Will the UN demand that the Obama administration step aside ?

Should Americans demand that NATO come to the rescue and be called on to bomb Washington DC ?

Question: If a citizen is tazed in the forest, doe...

2012-01-30T15:27:02.179-07:00

Question: If a citizen is tazed in the forest, does he make any noise?

Comments on Pro Libertate: The Shadow of Claude Dallas

...Says someone who comments anonymously

You're certainly correct in saying that this w...

You aren't engaging in any discussion with me,...

I understand entirely why you are desperate to fin...

Sorry, I didn't read much of the religious scr...

One cannot be bigoted -- as that term is commonly ...

Cops, like any field of endeavor even crack pot he...

Examine the brown-shirted tax-feeder in the photog...

"Outdraws"...so you believe his lightnin...

Somebody who outdraws two armed, trained LEOs and ...

Claude Dallas is nothing more than a cowardly litt...

The tradeoff for enjoying a secure life in a civil...

Your twisted dreamland reasoning runs in the face ...

i was in prison in ks with claude and found him to...

I was a cowboy (buckaroo) who worked in that same ...

i have read everything to do with claude dallas. i...

Claude Dallas is a f**ken Ni***r. He got off light...

If that Tripp CKSKR was on top of my wife. She'...

is there a legal defense fund we could donate to o...

Here in New England we had our own Claude Dallas -...

MoT Indeed. Just gazing at the public arena in t...

WillB, It's indeed a sad indictment of the &qu...

Mr. Grigg, Just listened to your interview with Le...

In addition to exporting US industry and jobs, the...

Question: If a citizen is tazed in the forest, doe...

Claude Dallas is a fken Ni*r. He got off light...