Comments on Pro Libertate: A Covenant With Death

If you want to respond to someone whose views abou...

2014-05-26T07:24:52.750-06:00

If you want to respond to someone whose views about the Bible you find offensive, isn't it more Christ like to do so with graciousness? It seems your sarcastic tone may counteract your intentions.

"But what interests me is that you equate bei...

2009-07-10T20:48:37.357-06:00

"But what interests me is that you equate being rude with being evil"

Mister Spock,

If being rude is not good, then it is evil. One can do good or evil to a lesser or greater degree.

"I supposedly owe him an apology for being a little rude, but his wishing me dead elicited no response from you. Curious."

He didn't claim to be a Christian, and he didn't invoke Christ as the cause of your insulting him. You did, on both counts.

Brass – Thank your for your comments. While I had ...

2009-07-10T17:24:23.099-06:00

Brass – Thank your for your comments. While I had written a rather lengthy reply to your post regarding your misinformation about the Latin Vulgate, the countless number of people the Catholic church burned at the stake simply because they wanted to read the Bible in their own language, and other issues (like putting the counsel of non-Christians over the admonitions of scripture), it turns out that Lemuel did get one thing right: we should not be taking over Will's blog with these arguments; important as they are.

And just so you know, this was not the first time I have tangled with Lemuel, so, as I said, I really don't care if I upset him. But what interests me is that you equate being rude with being evil and that I supposedly owe him an apology for being a little rude, but his wishing me dead elicited no response from you. Curious.

Will, Not sure to whom you were applying the Isai...

2009-07-10T12:06:59.101-06:00

Will,

Not sure to whom you were applying the Isaiah scripture. From the context of the chapter it would seem to apply to the Northern kingdom in Isaiah's time or if he is using types, then it might apply to the leaders of the Lord's people in the latter days. In either case their agreement with hell, according to the Lord, will do them no good and the scourge, which they had hoped would bypass them according to their covenant, will have a devastating effect.

Mister Spock, I don't think Lemuel is "...

2009-07-07T20:36:32.837-06:00

Mister Spock,

I don't think Lemuel is "speaking all manner of evil against you for My [Christ's] sake." I think he is speaking evil against you because you, while you may have intended to speak on behalf of Christ, came across as rather rude. I think the best course would be to apologize for being rude (or the appearance of being rude, for as St. Paul said, "Abstain from all appearance of evil") and move on, leaving all personal attacks in the dirt where they belong.

Lemuel - I see you know as little about Star Trek...

2009-07-07T19:56:59.176-06:00

Lemuel -

I see you know as little about Star Trek as you do the Bible.

And I, too, am glad that millions of Christians are better than I. I'm a miserable wretch of a human being. When you realize that about yourself, please turn to Christ - it's Hell without Him.

And thanks again for another blessing.

Live long and prosper.

Mr Grigg, you wrote: The Empire Hamilton Built is...

2009-07-07T04:08:44.442-06:00

Mr Grigg, you wrote:

The Empire Hamilton Built is racing toward the unpleasant end that awaits all imperial projects: Incurable, undisguised insolvency, the ruin of the official currency, political collapse, and – most likely – internal schism.

At some point the Power Elite will probably call most of the troops home from their far-flung garrisons, not because our rulers will have renounced aggression, but rather for the purpose of putting down internal resistance. This, too, was foretold by Madison in the Constitutional Convention, when he warned that "A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive, will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defense [against] foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home."

The inevitability in these statements is clear, as is their grounding in concrete historic realites. But of what suasive value are such demonstrations to people who believe (or pretend to believe, for practical purposes it matters little) that America is different from every empire that went before it? That the blessings of God (or of fate) rest upon the American experiment as they have no previous tyranny?

Can the lessons of history - which are plain, unambiguous, explicit, and unavoidable - be of any use to a people who have abandoned history as being unfavourable to their ambitions and pretensions?

Can the lessons of biblical history be of any use to Christians who have abandoned the bible as the source of divine wisdom and guidance?

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"

Mister Spock, Is there any significance that your...

2009-07-07T01:47:34.422-06:00

Mister Spock,

Is there any significance that your chosen pseudonym is that of a rigid man and self-acknowledged failed father, who was also an evangelical adviser to everyone else about warm and fuzzy baby care?

If you, the human pit bull of the Pro Libertate blog, were the only extant example of a "Christian," I think I would immediately become a Muslim.

Thank God there are many millions of better Christians than you.

Did you by chance convert to Christianity from some other religion? Maybe Judaism? Shinto? Mithraism? I think if I were you I would go back for another course of study and another baptism. Just make sure that next time they hold your head under water a bit longer.

Sincere regards,
Lemuel.

Gnostics like Lemuel, who know what Jesus really s...

2009-07-06T21:44:37.624-06:00

Gnostics like Lemuel, who know what Jesus really said and what He really meant, and constantly attack the inerrancy, inspiration and veracity of the Bible, are a dime a dozen.

And when their nonsense and lies are exposed, they resort to personal attacks. In Lemuel's case, he attempts to lump Christians in with a whole list of bums. Pretty pathetic.

Jesus said (well, maybe I better check with Lemuel), "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me."

Thanks for the blessing, Lemuel.

Origin of Afghanistan 'war' has roots in t...

2009-07-06T19:46:38.518-06:00

Origin of Afghanistan 'war' has roots in the UN, and the war continues under the same mandate:

Here is a site documenting the UN role in “Obama’s war in Afghanistan”. ISAF was set up in the year 2001 by UN MANDATE. The war is not new; it never ended because the UN objectives weren’t met. These are stated by Wikipedia as “to find Osama Bin Laden” and by the ISAF site as these:
“ISAF’s primary role is to support and assist the GoA in providing and maintaining a secure environment in order to facilitate the rebuilding of Afghanistan, the establishment of democratic structures and deepen the influence of the central government.”

Liberranter, Thank you. People who think I am att...

2009-07-06T16:12:17.659-06:00

Liberranter,

Thank you. People who think I am attacking Jesus and his message are very mistaken. I am trying to point out to them that the Bible we are presented with today by the churches and the career theologians is far, far from the original magnificent, glorious message of Jesus. Yet, if you listen with your heart, the message is still there. All the attempts of political churches and professional churchmen down through the centuries to twist it for their own power plays have failed, thank God, to extinguish that message. If you try to reason literally every word that is in there, you end up harming yourself and other people instead of helping them.

Just like the police, military, and politicians, who lose sight of the reasons for their own existence in the rabid application of their powers. The day the police disappear from our society is the day we all beg them to return. (Not so sure about politicians.) It is not the institution or the message we take exception to, it is the "unassailable ignorance" of those who would wield it like a club on our heads.

Kindly,
Lemuel Gulliver.

The Christian Church was established as an organ o...

2009-07-06T08:10:29.283-06:00

The Christian Church was established as an organ of the Roman State in 325 AD, and from that very moment started to corrupt the message of Jesus, which it has been doing now not for 62 years, but for 1,684 years. You can only hear Jesus' message any more in the Bible if you listen with your heart, not with your ears. True, it helps to survive this world if you belong to a group of fellow-believers, but keep your own counsel, and do not let their literal interpretations influence you too much.

Perfectly stated, Lemuel! The question I find myself asking with more and more frequency is "Are 'evangelical Christian' churches in contemporary Amerika the newest mission field?" It certainly seems that these statist bastions of false prophecy are most urgently in need of healing.

Somewhere, I think I read the phrase, "unassa...

2009-07-06T07:46:33.059-06:00

Somewhere, I think I read the phrase, "unassailable ignorance."

There is a great deal of that in America. Unfortunately, the troopers who taser girls in the head and slam women to the floor are just as certain of their righteousness as many people claiming to have "religion."

People like the Mayor of Shreveport and his porcine armed thugs, plus a whole sanhedrin of sundry bishops, priests, ministers, deacons, archbishops, padres, church boards, pharisees, sadducees, televangelists, senators, councilmen, congressmen, mayors, deputy mayors, assistant deputy mayors, deputy assistant mayors, and their unctuous acolytes, all claiming to enlighten the rest of us satanic and uppity freethinkers with their own particular certainties and their books of rules for us to live and think by.

Protecting us from ourselves. Making our lives better, even if it kills us. Taking taxes from us so they can spend our own money "helping" us. Doing us the unasked favor of saving our souls. Expecting gratitude.

Anyone out there who is a seeker, get hold of and read the book, "Secrets of Mount Sinai: The Story of the Codex Sinaiaticus" by James Bentley. Also, Eric Hoffer is a good read - just two of his books, "The True Believer," and "The Ordeal of Change." His other books are just rehashing those two.

Since there is no space here to reproduce a library of books, and no right accruing to us observers to expropriate a forum which belongs to Mr. Grigg, let those who have ears to hear, hear. (PS: Broken, you are a good man.)

Have a nice day.
Lemuel Gulliver.

Frances, I was thinking of the perspective offered...

2009-07-06T06:26:52.673-06:00

Frances, I was thinking of the perspective offered by Charles Spurgeon regarding war, how it is worse than famine or plagues. He was alluding to the punishments described in 2 Samuel 24 in response to David's "census" (which was a war preparation measure carried out in a way that defied the Lord's instructions).

Larry Vance has published a number of very good books outlining biblical and historic Christian teachings about war; his website is
http://www.vancepublications.com/

Mr. Grigg: Is there a Biblical reference to "...

2009-07-06T06:11:05.433-06:00

Mr. Grigg:

Is there a Biblical reference to "just wars being worse than plagues?"

Thanks for answering my question!!! Do you have a suggestion for reading material?

Will - it might interest you to know that less tha...

2009-07-06T02:22:27.373-06:00

Will - it might interest you to know that less than two months ago, Larry Hatcher, the brother of the Police Chief who tasered the 14 year old girl, plea-bargained a deal and pleaded no contest to seven counts of child molestation - to reduce the original number of 143 counts of child molestation - and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. I guess it runs in the family. http://www.pntonline.com/news/molestation-33748-clovis-counts-hatcher.html

Frances - I apologize if you perceived condescensi...

2009-07-06T02:20:09.305-06:00

Frances - I apologize if you perceived condescension in my post. It certainly was not intended - and certainly not at you as you had not posted anything at that point. I did intend, however, to irritate Lemuel. Any time someone attacks God's word and/or Jesus' followers (this wasn't his first time), I don't have a problem with being blunt when pointing out their deviousness. For example, Lemuel: My advice: Do not read the Bible literally, as if every single word and saying was true. It is only a book, which has been much edited and amended throughout history.)

As to your question, no one goes to Hell because of the number of wives they had. They go to Hell because they rejected God's Son. As far as the percentage of people in Hell, I have no idea. I know that Jesus did say, "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

I hope that helps.

The Bible seems pretty relevant to me! Will's...

2009-07-05T21:20:21.012-06:00

The Bible seems pretty relevant to me!

Will's Isaiah quote 'shines light' in the 'darkness' of the souls & minds of small-fry patriots as well as in the souls & minds of the power elite who manipulate their minions to believe that War is the only true God

"And the light shines in the darkness; and the darkness will not overcome it." John 1:5

Ancient Israel rejected the Law based Judge System established from Mt. Sinai. Their vanity got the better of them.

" 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
1 Samuel 8"

Although the Lord had Samuel itemize the many ways 'a king' would oppress and enslave them, the people insisted,

"19 Nay; but we will have a king over us;
20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles."

so...

"8...the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king."

Finding no worth as productive farmers and working folk they were restless.

Philistine forges proved an overpowering fascination. In order to more closely admire highly skilled warrior smithies forging weapons the Israelites brought their 'broken' tools to be mended and sharpened.

"19 ¶ Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:
20 But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his axe, and his mattock.
21 Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads. 1 Samuel 13"

Sound familiar?

By the way, there is a response from the Lord to those who have said, "We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:"

"16 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. Isaiah 28"

One could hope.

frances, it was the Brits who relied heavily on Ge...

2009-07-05T20:53:47.687-06:00

frances, it was the Brits who relied heavily on German Hessian mercenaries (and according to Count Corti's biography, there was Rothschild money involved in paying the Hessians).

France got involved on the colonists' side, in large measure, to avenge its defeat in the recent war with Britain; the debts contracted in the war helped precipitate the French Revolution, alas.

Every war is a banker's operation, at some level, even ones fought for sound reasons. The Bible makes it pretty plain that even "just" wars are worse than plagues.

Mr. Grigg: We got help from France and German sol...

2009-07-05T20:19:56.072-06:00

Mr. Grigg:

We got help from France and German soldiers during the revolutionary war, right? Wasn't this a banker's operation? Rothschild?

@Mister Spock: Your condescending manner in repre...

2009-07-05T20:10:15.972-06:00

@Mister Spock:

Your condescending manner in representing 'truth' is objectionable. Do you mean then to tell the world that if a man marries twice, he will go to hell? The Bible teaches that, Jesus said it according to the Bible.

If you believe the Bible literally, 99.98% of the people in the world will burn eternally. I can't believe that, and I don't think you do either.

There seems to be a disconnect between the Christian charity the Bible teaches and the actions of the Christians in today's churches in America. Mr. Grigg's essay addresses this issue.

And we pray to our Lord Who we know is American He...

2009-07-05T19:57:15.713-06:00

And we pray to our Lord
Who we know is American
He reigns from on high
He speaks to us through middlemen
And he shepherds his flock
We sing out and we praise His name
He supports us in war
He presides over football games
And the right will prevail
All our troubles shall be resolved
We have faith in the Lord
Unless there's money or sex involved....Eagles "Frail Grasp on the Big Picture"

The essay "A Covenant with Death" is abs...

2009-07-05T13:30:20.497-06:00

The essay "A Covenant with Death" is absolutely essential reading for the deception our nation is currently abiding within. Once again Mr. Grigg is right on the money.

Regarding AvgJoes comments I have to likewise comm...

2009-07-05T02:35:32.774-06:00

Regarding AvgJoes comments I have to likewise comment. Having moved to the Gem State from Texas early last year I was pleasantly surprised by the friendliness of the residents after having been conditioned to rudeness in my former domicile.

Not to say there aren't good people everywhere but I'd simply gotten used to a glass less than half empty. That hasn't changed but what has happened is that over the past year I've become aware that there is an unusually high police presence.

I once met an out of work Indian American welder who had just got out of prison after two years for drug possession who told me that Idaho was a "hanging state". Meaning that you'd best look elsewhere for mercy.

I constantly see Sheriff, Municipal and State cops with their pimped-out cruisers and have to always keep my situational awareness in top form because I "know" that they're pulling someone over for seatbelt "violations" etc. Safety has little to do with it but extracting FRN's from your wallet is.

A clear sign that so-called believers are addicted to militaristic crack was evidenced in the newspaper recently where the God and Country folks were moaning and complaining that they were denied a "fly-over". Good grief! And what exactly would that have served to reinforce? Hmmm? The God or the Country part of the equation?

On a sad footnote I had wanted to shoot off some fireworks with the kids not because I really care about July 4th, I don't, but it's one of those rare occasions you can actually make some noise... or so I thought. In Japan you can buy them year round no questions asked but here it seems you have to sign some paperwork stating the products for sale are not to be used "within the State"! How absurd and hypocritical. In essence everyone who bought anything was guilty of perjury. I sadly left empty handed as I told the family I wasn't about to be made a liar, but there you have it. Oh the irony of it all that we would make citizens into liars while raking in the tax receipts and then distributing that money to kill innocents abroad with true fireworks from hell.

I am curious as to whether you believe the America...

2009-07-05T00:30:43.510-06:00

I am curious as to whether you believe the American Revolution to have been a just war on the part of the colonists?

The cause of independence from Great Britain was morally unassailable, in my view, as was the defensive combat at Lexington and Concord. It's hard to see how peaceful reconciliation -- attempted on numerous occasions by the Patriots -- was possible once the British effort to disarm the militia was repulsed.

It was pretty clear by 1770 or so that unless the colonies wrested their independence from Great Britain, the Americans were going to be reduced to little better than helot status within a couple of generations.

In recent weeks I've been re-reading David Ramsay's two-volume account of the War for Independence and reviewing some of Rothbard's Conceived in Liberty series on the Revolutionary War. I'm persuaded that this was probably the only truly just war in American history -- the War of 1812 being an ambivalent affair (vide the Hawks' designs on Canada) and the cause of Southern Secession being worthy in principle but marred in some obvious particulars.