tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post8323566101854046507..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Quid Spucatum Tauri Est? (Second Update, April 22)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43018576323165150152008-05-02T14:46:00.000-06:002008-05-02T14:46:00.000-06:00I published this in Asian Weekhttp://www.asianweek...I published this in Asian Week<BR/>http://www.asianweek.com/2008/04/24/little-polygamist-compound-on-the-prairie/<BR/><BR/>Convicted sex criminal Warren Jeffs builds a walled concentration camp to house his brainwashed welfare abusing harems with 30 to 50 kids per dad. A teen calls former victim Flora Jessop’s who helps runaway brides like they used to rescue slave girls from Chinatown. Most likely, it was a crank caller painting the sect as racists, but Jessup salutes her for feeding state authorities stories of beatings, continuous abuse, and underage marriage so the cops could bust them and whisk an elementary school full of kids to safety.<BR/><BR/>But if it’s the parents who committed the crime, why not lock them up too? Just turn the ranch into a Manzanar for polygamists. It can’t be as bad when the Australians “stolen generation” removed 100,000 aborigine children for child protection. The Canadians would love to raid their own Bountiful, but the legal age there is 14 and their polygamy ban might not even be constitutional.<BR/><BR/>Oliver Twist never changed the sign at his orphanage from “welcome guest” to “prisoners”. The Japanese intern kids brought clothes and parents. Do the kids think they needed to be rescued from their monster moms? 1 out of every 11 foster children in Florida faces abuse. Nationally it is the African-Americans who suffer most as two thirds of the foster care population, Asians are a mere one percent. The abuse starts as early as 6 months as they are deprived of toys, Bratz, McDonalds, SpongeBob, and Grand Theft Auto. They do housework by 5, and if they marry kids at 13, every mom who looked the other way was a dangerous child abuser.<BR/><BR/>Seattle’s tiny Lauria Grace in 1995 was returned to and murdered by her drug addicted mother because her caseworker judged exposure to middle class values was culturally inappropriate. CPS regularly gets blamed when parents beat their infants to death trying to get them to stop crying. In America you can have girls gone wild, moms and girls dressed as ho’s, free love, prostitution, abortion, two dads, orgies, two moms, two teens, acts with horses, arranged marriage, and NAMBLA, but not one dad and three moms. Justice William Brennan stated that privacy disallowed “governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision to bear a child.”. Right.<BR/><BR/>Tidy bunks, organic bread, and fulltime mothers certainly looks better than CMT’s redneck trailer home makeover where the boys slept on the couch after a Chef Boyardee supper. Their parents don’t work too many hours at the dry cleaners while their boys grew up into the Virginia Tech killer or copycat. They probably get excellent test scores without “Crazy Asian Mothers who see B+”.<BR/><BR/>Barack Obama senior didn’t divorce before he married the senator’s mother. Asians used to do polygamy, and the Hmong are still hounded by authorities for marrying off teens. Most Asians don’t care what happens to a few hundred crazy white folks, but this Asian American feels very sick.BlArthurHuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09298660883025641858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2502154388415199732008-05-01T13:11:00.000-06:002008-05-01T13:11:00.000-06:00Here is the headline story from the front page of ...Here is the headline story from the front page of the Austin American Statesman newspaper today.<BR/><BR/>http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/05/01/0501foster.html<BR/><BR/>I am at a loss as to what to do. We were considering demonstrating with signs in front of the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services here in Austin, but street demonstrations do not appear to accomplish much.<BR/><BR/>I did an open records request to the State Comptroller to find out why the former comptrollers investigation of the Texas foster care program was scuttled. There is nothing in writing from Gov. Rick Perry specifically ordering the investigation to stop. The "governor" simply ignored the recommendations in the initial official report of that investigation (can order and receive free report called "Forgotten Children" from Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts)<BR/><BR/>The Texas governor has a horrible record and appears to be firmly in the pocket of the neocons and BigPharma and the Trans Texas Corridor pushers within our secret government. Rick Perry even was invited to and did attend the most recent Bilderberger meeting. He plans to run for another term as governor as his plans to be Guiliani's VP running mate did not pan out.<BR/><BR/>Texas is totally ruined by the fascists who are known as neocons and establishment Republican party folk.<BR/><BR/>Here is a quote from the Forgotten Children report (2004)and gives an idea of what those dear FLDS children have to look forward to.<BR/><BR/>"If you compare the number of deaths of children in our state's population to the number of deaths in our state's foster care system, a child is four times more likely to die in our state's foster care system."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-40685447970125830082008-04-26T04:34:00.000-06:002008-04-26T04:34:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74592665026486341492008-04-26T04:33:00.000-06:002008-04-26T04:33:00.000-06:00FLDS Raid - A Dangerous Legal PrecedentSource: Wor...FLDS Raid - A Dangerous Legal Precedent<BR/><BR/>Source: World Affairs Brief - Joel Skousen<BR/> <BR/>I waited a week to comment on the Texas case, separating 437 children from their FLDS parents, to see if any substantive evidence of abuse would emerge. It hasn't. Even if it had, those could have been handled individually. But no, Texas plans instead to make every member of the group pay the supreme price: to strip away their beloved children. This case is about group punishment. In spite of a search warrant tainted by a false witness (the "Sarah" who doesn't exist), no actual specific evidence of abuse, or any unwilling participants in this polygamous compound, a self-righteous Texas judge had decreed that all 400 + children will not be returned to the custody of their parents. Texas has gone too far to rid itself of this awkward religious sect that built the "Yearning for Zion" (YFZ) ranch in order to evade persecution in Utah and Arizona.<BR/>As this tyrannical order clearly meant separating even nursing children from their mothers, a wave of outrage began to sweep the nation. The media-savvy judge immediately changed her order (allowing children under 1 year if age to be nursed) in order to keep the tide of public relations on the side of the authorities. But this should not deter the nation from realizing the danger of the tenuous legal proposition that mere membership in a group (that may have isolated examples of marrying underage girls) makes all unworthy of possessing any children at all--ever. That is wrong, especially when legal remedies exist to prosecute specific wrongdoers.<BR/> <BR/>The local sheriff admitted on television that he had an "informant" on the inside for over 4 years. That was probably a disgruntled member of the group who decided to stay on to build up a case against his fellow church members. If a case can't be built after four years of informing, and authorities have to rely on a false abuse phone call to justify this invasion, what does that say about the State's case?<BR/>The key testimony the judge relied upon was that of Texas Child Protective Services' Angie Voss who said that at least "five girls younger than 18 are pregnant or have children." CPS argued under cross-examination that none of the 400+ children should be allowed to return to the YFZ ranch because 10 or 12 years down the road they may be subject to abuse. Incredible! Defense lawyers correctly noted that the state cannot make such sweeping generalizations about all of these families. Fairness requires a case by case assessment. In the meantime, Children should be free to return home with their parents, who have not been accused of any crime. Criminals get easier release terms and bail than these families.<BR/> <BR/>Unfortunately, even Sen. Harry Reid, the Senate Majority leader (and a Mormon who probably has polygamous ancestors) has joined in the witch hunt and called for Department of Justice assistance to states in prosecuting polygamists nationwide wherever they may be hiding. I call this a witch hunt because these people are being judged as a group, mostly because they can be easily targeted as a group. There is far more abuse that occurs among the general populace as a whole, but because they are not part of an organized group, they have to be prosecuted individually--as it should be. There is no excuse for engaging in group punishment for the polygamists when their general record of raising fine, well behaved children is superior to the average public educated family. Individual prosecution for underage marriage or cohabitation is not that much more difficult than the typical secretive bigamist--who makes no attempt to take responsibility for any children.<BR/> <BR/>Even the suspected perpetrator of the phony abuse calls (representing herself as "Sarah Barlow") was treated more leniently by authorities than these Texas families. Rozita Swinton, a 33 year old black woman, with a history of false reports was allowed out on bail ($20,000 put up by someone yet unknown) and promptly disappeared. An arrest warrant was issued for her charging her with false reporting to authorities for an incident in February. Some justice. This makes at least the third time Swinton has been implicated in these kinds of false reports and she has never served jail time. She was not arrested for this incident even though the false call from "Sarah" originated from a phone Swinton has used in the past to falsify abuse reports. Rod Parker, an attorney and spokesman for the FLDS Church said Tuesday that "Sarah Barlow doesn't exist and Dale Barlow lives in Arizona." He correctly noted that the phone call tainted the search warrant used at the YFZ Ranch, which will certainly be part of a future legal challenge to the blanket separation of mothers from children.<BR/> <BR/>Authorities in Colorado are keeping everything concerning Swinton sealed in order to avoid embarrassment of Texas authorities who based their search and seizure warrant on this illegal call for help. Their reluctance to prosecute Swinton is suspicious. A tape recording of the call exists. How hard is it to match her distinctive voice to that call?<BR/> <BR/>There is other evidence as well. Texas Rangers admitted privately to Child Protection Project founder Linda Walker who took the call that "she [Swinton] was obsessed with the FLDS." Rangers confiscated tons of material on the FLDS in the search of Swinton's home. She had real addresses and real names of FLDS people which is not easy to get a hold of for someone with limited intellect. Swinton also knew that the FLDS had doctrinal beliefs that denied their Priesthood to Blacks and devised racist statements in her call to the Texas abuse hot line so as to further implicate the FLDS as racists. Because of Swinton's intellectual limitations (friends describe her as a sort of soft spoken simpleton), I would not rule out that Swinton may be under the influence of an agent provocateur working to justify the seizure of children from the YFZ ranch.<BR/> <BR/>The longer this blanket forced separation of family members continues, based solely upon the tenuous doctrine of "potential abuse" for group beliefs, the more dangerous it will become to the rights of all who are or will become potential dissidents to government tyranny--unless it backfires and they go too far. That's what happened with the state of Utah when they shot a polygamist home schooler named John Singer for refusing to hand over his children to the state who was going to force them into public schools. The nationwide bad press on the killing forced Utah to stop prosecuting homeschoolers and finally allow parents the right to educate their own. <BR/> <BR/>If you think this is only about the evils of polygamy, consider that Texas authorities prepared a "Cultural Competencies" tip sheet for Texas social workers engaged in "de-programming" FLDS children warning them that these cult members would be "fearful and distrustful of government." Why shouldn't they be, given what has happened? We should all be deeply concerned.<BR/> <BR/>The Texas ACLU also weighed in on the case: "While we acknowledge that Judge Walther's task may be unprecedented in Texas judicial history [and totally without legal precedent], we question whether the current proceedings adequately protect the fundamental rights of the mothers and children,' Terri Burke, executive director of the ACLU of Texas, said in a written statement. "As this situation continues to unfold, we are concerned that the constitutional rights that all Americans rely upon and cherish -- that we are secure in our homes, that we may worship as we please and hold our places of worship sacred, and that we may be with our children absent evidence of imminent danger [the current legal standard] -- have been threatened," Burke said. <BR/> <BR/>I'm hoping that good people everywhere will realize how this expansion of child "protective" law threatens every family whose parents subscribe to any belief system "society" considers "abusive" and who are members of an identifiable group of similar believers. "Society" doesn't exist legally, except in the minds of those who claim (wrongly) that they speak for the majority. This targeting of dissident groups, if allowed to continue, will eventually encircle almost all fundamentalist Christians who believe in any form of strict discipline and spanking, who are home schoolers or who hold to any theory that our government is in some way an enemy of liberty. Indeed, belief in mere physical discipline, or patriarchal authority, is one of the "evils" social workers regularly list as one of the criteria that make for abusive parents, and thus unworthy to keep their children.<BR/> <BR/>That said, I do think there is a problem endemic to polygamous groups relative to the treatment of girls. I've had some experience with members of these groups. Almost all are constitutional conservatives and some individual members have attended speeches I have given in the West. We have to be careful not to stereotype all polygamous groups as the press tends to do. They have some common beliefs, but vary greatly in how they are organized and how they function as a group. The ones I have met have actually been very fine conservative people. They all readily admit that some polygamous groups are much more authoritarian than others, and that is why there have been so many splinter groups among them, each trying to find some form of leadership they are comfortable with. Most often the problem with the old line groups like the FLDS is with older leaders who tend to run things with a patriarchal authoritarian mindset. In Biblical terms, the Lord does endorse patriarchal authority, but it must never be exercised with unrighteous dominion.<BR/> <BR/>Notwithstanding problem people or leaders (which isn't limited to fundamentalists), the FLDS have many admirable qualities. The children follow an excellent health code, eat natural foods, are well behaved, clean and well groomed. They are homeschooled and thus shielded from so many of the evil influences that infect other good Christians who lose many of their children to the world. There parents are clearly not monsters the state of Texas seeks to portray in their aggressive attempt to justify the separation and destruction of these families.<BR/> <BR/>Arranged marriages occur in only a few of these groups. Most of the splinter groups run things by normal persuasion. But, the core problem with any of the groups is that it is a relatively closed circle relative to available future wives. Despite having large families, polygamists tend to intermarry within the group because it's very difficult to convert outside woman to join the group, and they have significant doctrinal and authoritarian issues with other splinter groups that discourage intermingling. Those that are raised within the group are the ones most willing to continue on in this tradition of multiple wives--though a significant number within the non-authoritarian groups decide not to be polygamous.<BR/> <BR/>But, even these have trouble breaking with the group because of strong family and religious ties. Business ties are also hard to break. Certain polygamist groups are extremely effective at banding together and forming successful businesses that make a lot of money. This makes it difficult to break away because they still have a share in the business ventures, which isn't easily separable from the group.<BR/> <BR/>What I suspect is happening in this larger FLDS compound is that there are not many available future wives except these teenage girls, who are yet unspoken for. Thus, a competition develops as certain men try to get commitments of marriage out of either the parents or the girl before someone else does. This leads to very unhealthy competition and some incentive to intermarry among relatives or enter into underage marriages. But the solution to this major source of abuse is clear: <BR/> <BR/>Regardless of these people's commitment to polygamy, they need to follow the law relative to marriage age.<BR/> <BR/>Various FLDS men have said they are more than willing to do that, which could swiftly solve this crisis. However, the government is probably going to use the results of the mandated DNA tests to prosecute those who have married an underage mother, or close relative, rather than simply establish paternity as they claim. The authorities wrongfully induced their "voluntary" participation in the DNA tests by promising this could lead to the restoration of their children. Instead, I believe this will only lead to criminal charges, and the state will already have proof of the illegal relationship. The prosecutions are appropriate where excessive pressure was involved in the marriage. But if authorities are going down this route, they should not simply be targeting polygamists. To be fair, they should be arresting every under-aged pregnant girl in the state and subject all known male contacts to DNA testing. Of course they won't do that, proving that they are targeting an unpopular religious group, rather than seeking to protect all underage girls equally. Sadly any prosecutions they do will be used to justify condemning the whole group and painting them all with the same broad brush. <BR/> <BR/>William Norman Grigg, an immensely talented but often caustic patriotic writer who used to write for the New American, weighed in on this subject with exceptional force. Here are a few excerpts from his blog first addressing the danger of government's unfettered claim to gathering personal DNA:<BR/> <BR/>"The Homeland Security Apparatus is now prepared to act on the claim that our very genetic material is the collective property of society, requiring us to surrender DNA samples whenever a pretext can be found. (This opens up all kinds of possible mischief, beginning with the claim, recently upheld in New York, that genetic evidence is sufficient grounds for a criminal indictment.) The same is true of other individual biometric signifiers, such as fingerprints. Commissar for Homeland Security "Mikhail" Chertoff -- who received his post at Homeland Security after helping to build the Regime's torture apparatus [see story below] -- insists that fingerprints are not 'personal data,' and thus can be collected by the Regime and shared with other national security systems as our rulers see fit."<BR/> <BR/>This is all leading to the Orwellian "Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007" a proposed piece of dangerous legislation where government plans to mandate newborn testing for DNA anomalies and then consider the collected DNA as government property, free to share with whomever it chooses.<BR/> <BR/>Grigg then turns to the "Texas Child Snatchers" directly. "The Texas Department of Child Abduction, sometimes wittily referred to as the Department of Protective and Family Services, has announced that as soon as it has extracted DNA samples from the FLDS child captives they will be placed in foster care. In many instances this will require tearing newborn or nursing infants out of the arms of their mothers:<BR/> <BR/>"'Some FLDS mothers with nursing babies and toddlers may be unaware that they will be forced to leave their children behind once Texas officials gather the DNA samples from them..' As with every other act of government coercion, this unspeakably cruel crime will be accompanied by the threat of lethal violence.... The above-quoted Mrs. Jessop has described an attempt she made yesterday with a group of mothers to visit their children, who are being held prisoner at the San Angelo Coliseum. They were -- to use a phrase made offensive by its dishonest delicacy -- 'turned away by law enforcement.' Which is to say that they were threatened with lethal violence by the State's rented thugs: 'They told us if we went on that property again we would be arrested.'<BR/> <BR/>"To get a sense of the pure, unalloyed evil being wrought by 'law enforcement' in this matter, we turn to the indispensable blog published by Brooke Adams of the Salt Lake Tribune. 'We watched as this woman was greeted by younger women, all hugging her, obviously going to her for comfort, crying,' writes Adams. 'From afar, we had no idea who they were or what they were doing or what the emotions playing out were.' The name of the woman being embraced is Janet.<BR/> <BR/>"'She has five children in state custody, three girls and two boys. The girls are ages 9, 13 and 16. The boys are 11 and 15. This is what she said about that moment: 'I was in the shelter and had girls in the other one. They told me my two girls were running for me and I went across to hug them. Instantly I had eight police men around me. I was just hugging them.' These women and children have neither been accused of a crime, nor convicted of one. Yet they are being treated like inmates in one of the nouveau gulags called Supermax Prisons. It occurs to me that this is the kind of situation in which a writ of habeas corpus would be appropriate... if, that is, the habeas corpus guarantee still existed in this once-free country.<BR/> <BR/>"The 437 kidnapped children, and more than 100 detained mothers, are being compelled to undergo DNA testing -- despite the fact that not a single one of them has been accused of a crime. Barbara Walther, the same judge who authorized that outrage [and thus has every incentive to see it justified], ruled yesterday that FLDS mothers of nursing children would not be permitted to breastfeed their infants. After all, sniffed the judge with the refined disdain persons so often display when dealing with mere people, 'every day in this country, we have mothers who go back to work after six weeks of maternity leave.' [She has since modified this ruling, but her limit of nursing children to less than one year old shows a decided ignorance or disdain for the overall health and birth control benefits of longer periods of nursing.]"<BR/> <BR/>Commenting with acid tongue accuracy Grigg continues: "Lavishing such individualized attention on a youngster is unhealthy, after all. If he's fed, raised, educated, and cared for by his own parents, he won't be properly socialized; that is to say, he won't be taught to think of himself as part of the people. Why, a child in such circumstances tends to think of himself as a person without being given permission to do so.<BR/> <BR/>"Yesterday, in a scene of unfathomable cruelty, about 100 FLDS children were loaded on to buses with tinted windows and taken from their temporary prison... In fact, the kidnappers of those children were beginning the process of redistributing the captives to foster homes scattered across Texas. Imagine, for a second, the clinical indifference to the suffering of children that one must display in order to do such a thing to innocent children kept ignorant of their fate.<BR/> <BR/>"And then ask yourself how, in the name of anything anybody considers holy, can any rational human being -- any intelligent person -- look upon the government ruling us as anything other than our implacably evil enemy. Bear in mind that we're talking about a government that -- without a legally defensible rationale -- had dispatched a heavily-armed party of raiders to surround their property and abduct their children. Why on earth would anybody be 'distrustful' toward people who would seize his children at gunpoint? Oh, but I see I've got the categories wrong: It was the officially recognized persons who committed those acts, so the people belonging to the FLDS church had no right to complain, and were obligated to display child-like trust and canine submissiveness."made in china lapel pinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73795439606141059742008-04-25T03:17:00.000-06:002008-04-25T03:17:00.000-06:00How could they have been receiving welfare benefit...How could they have been receiving welfare benefits? If they had no birth certificates and no social security numbers, then they would not be able to get qualified. Where is the proof that they were receiving welfare? Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-34943872106614100552008-04-25T00:16:00.000-06:002008-04-25T00:16:00.000-06:00Hey Will, your FLDS coverage is not going unnotice...Hey Will, your FLDS coverage is not going unnoticed by other well-known commentators. My favorite woman commentator, whose commentary I read every week, <A HREF="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62505" REL="nofollow">Ilana Mercer</A>, mentioned your <A HREF="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/quid-spucatum-tauri-est.html" REL="nofollow"> Quid Spucatum Tauri Est?</A> post in her Friday WND column this week.<BR/><BR/>Apropos plug! ;)<BR/><BR/><I>If there is anyone in this country (apart from the American Indians) who should be reflexively suspicious of government, and speak out against abuses of power at the expense of the innocent, it should be the Mormons.</I><BR/><BR/>I realize you obviously have a particularly keen interest in this State-sanctioned kidnapping of FLDS children outrage, but our history is replete with harsh persecution upon others besides the Indians and the Mormons.<BR/><BR/>The Baptists, the Southern sect of which many in my family, including myself, have been historically nominal members, in my own home state of Virginia were heavily persecuted in colonial times when the Virginia colony had a state church patterned after the Church of England.<BR/><BR/>So why all the anger aimed specifically towards the evangelical brethren?<BR/><BR/>Just to be perfectly clear, however, I do agree that the silence of too many folk, leaders <I>and</I> laymen alike, who hail from ALL of the Christian denominations is certainly deafening and I, therefore, sympathize somewhat with your dismay, but keeping a proper perspective in these matters is always more profitable in the long run ;). Just sayin'.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70159607433711383462008-04-24T00:15:00.000-06:002008-04-24T00:15:00.000-06:00I often wonder what would have happened If the Jew...I often wonder what would have happened If the Jews had not acted so meekly... Maybe they would not have been so dehumanized. What if every Jewish family had fought to the death rather than compromise. That would have certainly done with that "they are being relocated to live in the east" lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11395778984051893162008-04-23T20:46:00.000-06:002008-04-23T20:46:00.000-06:00Lemuel, although I've rarely had time to reply to ...Lemuel, although I've rarely had time to reply to your immensely informative and consistently provocative posts, I appreciate them tremendously. <BR/><BR/>The song playing in the first FLDS video is the instrumental version of "I'm Trying To Be Like Jesus," which is sung by Mormon children in Primary (roughly ages 4-12). Yes, the FLDS Church, like its mother church, teaches an entirely heterodox view of who Jesus is and was. (The FLDS hold fast to the pre-1917 Mormon view that Jesus was, among other things, a polygamist.) But the point is that this was a community organized around piety, however misdirected (and exploited by the likes of Warren Jeffs), not prurience. <BR/><BR/>I hope that the Salt Lake City Mormon leaders watch that video, and that it lacerates their conscience: The people in El Dorado are <I>their people. </I> And I hope the same is true of the Christian leaders who are implicating themselves in this crime through their guilty silence. <BR/><BR/>I drove by the local Mennonite Church today and saw a group of girls playing at recess. They were dressed in exactly the same way as the FLDS girls in that video, for the same reason: They want to set themselves apart from the world. I can't help but suspect that separatists of all kinds are just as vulnerable as the FLDS.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86138626653647647012008-04-23T18:44:00.000-06:002008-04-23T18:44:00.000-06:00Mr. Grigg,I offer for your edification and that of...Mr. Grigg,<BR/><BR/>I offer for your edification and that of your readers the following two videos. First, the children at home in their community:<BR/><BR/>http://www.captivefldschildren.org/ViewVideo.php?VID=1<BR/><BR/>Second, the new societal norms to which the Baal Imperium wants these children to conform - this is the new reality for these children's lives henceforth:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPlkWMnWkY&NR=1<BR/><BR/>This horror is so painful to watch, the only thing I can liken it to in my experience was watching the video three years ago of the living Nick Berg having his head brutally sawed off from his neck by five masked Arab men.<BR/><BR/>How much anguish, how much emotional pain, how much terror, how much loss, how much darkness and horror - how can God permit such consummate evil to go unpunished? <BR/><BR/>This is a video of the kidnapping, complete with armored military vehicle, machine guns, and sniper rifles. Against women and children, who offered no resistance of any kind:<BR/><BR/>http://www.captivefldschildren.org/ViewVideo.php?VID=5<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of the Jews walking meekly into the gas chambers under the machine guns of the SS.<BR/><BR/>I am afraid that a terrible calamity is going to descend on this nation. To do these things to such beautiful and innocent souls is beyond evil - Satan himself must shudder with revulsion at such an abomination.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Lemuel GulliverLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87806348143460691152008-04-23T15:07:00.000-06:002008-04-23T15:07:00.000-06:00Why is the state deciding who can get married and ...Why is the state deciding who can get married and who cannot get married? Maybe the children are herioc and Texas is the villain. See:<BR/>http://christianprophecy.blogspot.com/A Christian Prophethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10020964652943679070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29123050284485297422008-04-23T13:47:00.000-06:002008-04-23T13:47:00.000-06:00To those that believe that the FLDS adult folks ar...To those that believe that the FLDS adult folks are "sick", "twisted", and/or "evil" for marrying off girls at the ages they do, do keep in mind that you, personally, have been raised by society to think that way.<BR/><BR/>Marrying at such a young age has been the norm during huge swaths of human history, often due to short life spans. External technological advancements do not render a person's mind MORE vulnerable to a standard procedure, regardless as to whether or not "the majority" consider something to be best or not.<BR/><BR/>So much for diversity, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6617147432871085842008-04-23T13:33:00.000-06:002008-04-23T13:33:00.000-06:00I'm not religious and I'm an immigrant from Africa...I'm not religious and I'm an immigrant from Africa. But I'm mad at seeing those poor children taken from their parents by the state of Texas on the basis of a prank phone call. I saw these women on <I>CNN Larry King</I> Live crying over the empty beds of their children and it made me sick. These women, their children, and their husbands live in nice and peaceful environment. I don't understand why the government doesn't go after the church in Kentucky that pickets the funerals of fallen soldiers with their obscene signs that read <I>"Fags'Funeral"</I> instead of going out against innocent people. I fail to see why they don't go out against violent white supremacist compounds in Texas instead of destroying a beautiful community... You are right, this is the doctrine of <I>preemptiveness</I> of the US government, misappropriated by the state of Texas, and run amok! Your blog is terrific; keep the fires up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53139192756775027212008-04-23T12:21:00.000-06:002008-04-23T12:21:00.000-06:00Bill,I have not been able to write on this subject...Bill,<BR/><BR/>I have not been able to write on this subject, as my day job keeps getting in the way. Your posts have been terrific, and we agree on the larger and most important points here.<BR/><BR/>I'm having to deal with people who say, "Well, what about polygamy?" Yet, this case began with a fraud, and that Texas continues it says more about the "law" in that state than what goes on at the ranch.bill andersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1809649583432953022008-04-23T12:04:00.000-06:002008-04-23T12:04:00.000-06:00Dear Will,You are the only one so far to wonder:WH...Dear Will,<BR/><BR/>You are the only one so far to wonder:<BR/><BR/>WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES' VOICES OF PROTEST IN ALL THIS?<BR/><BR/>Every denomination you can name: the Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, etc. etc. has an organization dedicated to social justice and peace and non-violence. They weep and wail vociferously about Darfur, and Palestine, and Iraq, but when a fellow Christian church (yes, Christian - the LDS and FLDS acknowledge Christ as their Savior - this is not Muslims or Buddhists or Sikhs we are talking about) is attacked viciously and mercilessly by the Baal State, their silence is absolutely deafening.<BR/><BR/>What in the name of a just God are they thinking? Do they not remember the powerful words of Christian cleric, Pastor Martin Neimoller, who famously said: <BR/><BR/>"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; <BR/>And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; <BR/>And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."<BR/><BR/>If the "mainstream" churches choose to be silent on this matter, because they in their small and withered hearts rejoice to see these "heretics" persecuted so cruelly, then be assured, God will turn his face away from them in due course, and abandon them to the justice of the Baal State. When their turn comes, and it will, I for one will rejoice from afar. (I will no longer be living in this country.)<BR/><BR/>Now you know why I have ceased attending any and all "Christian" churches. They are just political organizations. They have about as much to do with Jesus Christ as the Shriners or the Freemasons or the Loyal Order of Moose. May I quote their own "Savior" to those "Christian" churches: (Matthew Ch.25)<BR/><BR/>Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not."<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Lemuel GulliverLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-41636811538690701812008-04-23T11:33:00.000-06:002008-04-23T11:33:00.000-06:00What can WE do about it? The problem is that the G...What can WE do about it? The problem is that the Government ignores the COnstitution. Both parties. When a man finally comes along with a proven track record of respect for the COnstitution, (Ron Paul) you call him a kook and continue voting for the Constitution haters. And then you whine to me about "What can we do." YOU made this bed, that I have to sleep in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-14329736672800741192008-04-23T08:48:00.000-06:002008-04-23T08:48:00.000-06:00Thats all well and good, but what are WE going to ...Thats all well and good, but what are WE going to do about it, how long are WE going to put up with these type of tactics by the state - in EVERY state? They NEED to be shut down and there needs to be a coordinated effort to make it happen. WE are the government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61571805878264428142008-04-23T08:43:00.000-06:002008-04-23T08:43:00.000-06:00'Sarah' seems to be a complete hoax, a phony...The...'Sarah' seems to be a complete hoax, a phony...<BR/><BR/>The man accused of abuse by ‘Sarah’ was interviewed by police and let go<BR/><BR/>But all of the children were taken from their mothers.<BR/><BR/>So far, the state has found not one girl under age and pregnant.<BR/><BR/>Before the state starts ripping children from their parents, shouldn’t there actually be some evidence that children have been abused?<BR/>Have all of these children been abused by all of these adults?<BR/>Must all these families be destroyed because one girl has been abused?<BR/>That is, if in fact one has been abused which so far the state has no evidence in that regard.<BR/><BR/>No arrests. No revealed evidence of abuse so far. No girls underage shown to be pregnant so far. So far nothing.<BR/><BR/>And yet all of these children have been torn from their families and left to the loving, tender mercies of state that has a terrible track record of children being abused while in the state's care.<BR/><BR/>Why is this so difficult to understand for some?<BR/><BR/>Present evidence and make arrests or return the children to their families immediately.<BR/><BR/>-Conan the CimmerianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-78544399791882101102008-04-23T08:37:00.000-06:002008-04-23T08:37:00.000-06:00It is called "nipping it in the bud". These freaks...It is called "nipping it in the bud". These freaks are having babies! They start as young as they can, and have as many as they can. This cannot be tolerated. We Amerikans don't like babies. We abort them. They are a burden and ruin lives. They are not good. We must lobby our Congressmen to pass a "one child" law like Communist China has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46383567768694957372008-04-23T05:09:00.000-06:002008-04-23T05:09:00.000-06:00Will, I know that you're kidding; however, that re...Will, I know that you're kidding; however, that really was Janet Reno, but, I was told, she had to have her domestic partner type out the message for her as Janet's Parkinson's Disease is in full force. You see, I met Mrs. and Mrs. Reno four nights ago at one of Miami's most popular and prestigious night clubs and had the displeasure of striking up a conversation with the two lovebirds. To my surprise, Janet admitted to having read your recent blog articles, and she was not at all happy with your work. One thing I distinctly remember about the unpleasant conversation was Janet's unsolicited remark concerning your "repugnant soft Christian values" and how these "weak values" and "ridiculous concerns over habeas corpus bull s***" have tainted your blog essays with "sickening references of love for your fellow human beings", especially when you defend those "worthless FLDS whores and their little b*****d whelps!". I was mortified and taken aback by such calloused sentiments, but I should not have been surprised. The only other time I have witnessed such unbridled evil was the time I got to see Dick Cheney up close at a Washington D.C. luncheon. Well thankfully, sweet justice came later that evening as Mrs. and Mrs. Reno were both "86ed" from the establishment for indecent sexual behavior.<BR/><BR/>-Sal DeSario<BR/> Hialeah, FLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82867164984776063532008-04-23T00:55:00.000-06:002008-04-23T00:55:00.000-06:00How nice of Janet Reno to pay a visit to my blog!I...How nice of Janet Reno to pay a visit to my blog!<BR/><BR/>In all seriousness, I should point out that those of us not gifted with omniscience -- or burdened, as you are, with the delusion of the same -- have a quaint little custom called "due process," which includes a fairly interesting notion known as "presumption of innocence."<BR/><BR/>What that means, oh self-enraptured one, is that we have to <I>prove</I> that people are guilty of crimes, especially heinous ones like child molestation, <I>before</I> we punish them.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70506577921364975572008-04-23T00:37:00.000-06:002008-04-23T00:37:00.000-06:00Well, since that sect of the FLDS declared war on ...Well, since that sect of the FLDS declared war on the hymens of children, I think it is only fair to declare war on them. Those sick bastards are paedophiles, plain and simple, no amount of religious explanation can overcome that fact. The members of that sect should be jailed as paedophiles. Religious freedom does not come into this. Otherwise I will form a religion where god requires me to burn down churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48350323510514192542008-04-22T22:36:00.000-06:002008-04-22T22:36:00.000-06:00Anonymous @3:00 PM -- Please forgive the delay in ...Anonymous @3:00 PM -- Please forgive the delay in posting your note, and thanks so much for your candid comments.<BR/><BR/>I've said and written this before, but it bears repeating:<BR/><BR/>If there is <I>anyone</I> in this country (apart from the American Indians) who should be reflexively suspicious of government, and speak out against abuses of power at the expense of the innocent, it should be the Mormons. <BR/><BR/>The differences that separate the FLDS from the mainstream LDS Church are far less consequential than the shared heritage of persecution that they have in common. Whatever one thinks of the teachings and practices of the FLDS, and the actions of its leaders, the mothers and children are innocent, just as those killed at Haun's Mill were innocent. <BR/><BR/>And I'm <I>furious</I> over the complicit silence of most Christian leaders over this atrocity. Michael Reagan suggested that Christian congregations and families should step up to offer foster care for FLDS children and their mothers. One notices a conspicuous lack of response to that invitation....William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37951964374671350672008-04-22T20:40:00.000-06:002008-04-22T20:40:00.000-06:00The picture of the Elk Grove Police paramilitaries...The picture of the Elk Grove Police paramilitaries looks very familiar. I'm assuming this is Elk Grove, CA (a suburb of Sacramento). I lived there in the early 90's when they began their little war games with helmets, body armor, full auto weapons, etc. The Elk Grove Citizen ran a front page photo of them charging heroically through somebody's front yard. I also remember them swaggering around the local Lyons restaurant. To me they looked more like hardened criminals than police officers. <BR/><BR/>Even back then it was apparent that the FedGov was turning local police forces into an instrument of intimidation and oppression.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23430222330495329992008-04-22T20:18:00.000-06:002008-04-22T20:18:00.000-06:00I haven't been following this as closely with micr...I haven't been following this as closely with microscopic precision as Will and others have, but if the FLDS mothers have been receiving welfare then they shouldn't be shocked by Big Daddy coming forth to claim his own.<BR/><BR/>Ergo, with that in mind, it's harder to empathize with them in this case as they're no different from the barrio/ghetto/project mamas. If you can't afford 'em, STOP HAVING THEM!dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48144149079784016382008-04-22T20:07:00.000-06:002008-04-22T20:07:00.000-06:00HaloScan! Why not just use Big Brother Post system...<I>HaloScan! Why not just use Big Brother Post system. I can understand cooperation but HS is ready and able to always give Big Brother your information. They save it just for that purpose.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh please, all public companies are required by SOX and other regs to retain personal info for a period of time and it all can be subpoenaed during investigations.<BR/><BR/>You think the corporatist Google is your good buddy and will protect your info from Big Daddy when/if he ever comes calling requesting it? You're deluded if you honestly think so.<BR/><BR/>Look at its actions in China, whose government it and other corporations naturally eagerly assist in helping to keep the Chinese in the dark, in Google's case, by blocking search requests.<BR/><BR/>"Anonymous," get it through your head that if Big Daddy so desires you can be tracked online easily. You can also be located easily by IP address. The ISPs gladly assist LE in that endeavor. So stop worrying about whether "Big Bro" watching you because he probably IS. If you're fearful about that, you'd be better just to get off the freakin' grid entirely.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.com