tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post8004972577922422186..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Servile NationWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-62045928838686494432008-12-12T21:02:00.000-07:002008-12-12T21:02:00.000-07:00Repose: You screen your comments!? I shoulda' kno...Repose: You screen your comments!? I shoulda' known. Although, I can bet you get a lot of rather inarticulate "flames".<BR/><BR/>But why not? It might bring a little humor (the good ones) to an otherwise deathly overstuffed and over-serious post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68641162536963191182008-12-12T20:59:00.000-07:002008-12-12T20:59:00.000-07:00Thank something monotheistic-y for this humdinger!...Thank something monotheistic-y for this humdinger! I've seen or heard about anti-religion/anti-state, but this new phylum, this neo pro-God/anti-state seems to vector beyond even the most bountiful concepts of hate, humor, hack and hegemony (let's not forget too quickly that those that brought the good book to this continent while fleeing oppression [read: taxes], were rich, white guys that also dealt hand-over-fist in another kind of slavery).<BR/><BR/>Now, you could say I know little of the bible, and you'd be right: I don't belabor vehicles when their morals--however misunderstood--are so seemingly apparent. To that end, I won't throw stones (though the temptation in the presence of so much glass is, I'll admit, nearly inescapable). I only have this to offer: In this universe, with mathematically infinite possibilities, things are always changing. There's a good chance this kind prattle (and I mean the rough bits, of course--there are some good points, after all) will too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54028372382994627222008-08-15T13:25:00.000-06:002008-08-15T13:25:00.000-06:00Wow, well that would certainly be a great “service...Wow, well that would certainly be a great “service” to my family and myself. I know you are a man whose time is heavily demanded as it is, but if you were to ever happen upon this article I can assure you that just compensation would be returned in favor. <BR/><BR/>My email address scott0213@yahoo.com if the opportunity ever arises. Send me a note and I can give you my physical address.Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06748025048481866622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84867436399649829082008-08-15T11:02:00.000-06:002008-08-15T11:02:00.000-06:00Scott, the original source for that quote was a fr...Scott, the original source for that quote was a front-page story in the long-defunct <I>Knickerbocker Press</I>, dated August 8, 1918. I have a photocopy in my possession, and could probably dig it up (eventually) and mail it to you.<BR/><BR/>A good, reliable secondary source is the essay "War and Leviathan in Twentieth Century America: Conscription as the Keystone" by Robert Higgs, in <I>The Costs of War: America's Pyrrhic Victories</I>, John V. Denson, ed. (New York: TransAction, 1998), pp. 310-311.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81908483438118497402008-08-14T08:19:00.000-06:002008-08-14T08:19:00.000-06:00"Every man's life is at the call of the nation and..."Every man's life is at the call of the nation and so must be every man's property. We are living today in a highly organized state of socialism. The state is all; the individual is of importance only as he contributes to the welfare of the state. His property is his only as the state does not need it. He must hold his life and possessions at the call of the state."<BR/><BR/>Will, this is an extraordinary quote. I wonder if it can be specifically sourced?Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06748025048481866622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45065743918626755592008-08-07T20:54:00.000-06:002008-08-07T20:54:00.000-06:00Dear Will,I hope our dear brother Curt Maynard wil...Dear Will,<BR/><BR/>I hope our dear brother Curt Maynard will read this. I happen to share some of his antipathy, not against "Jews" per se, but rather against the actions of the Zionist "Jews" in the region presently called "Israel." And also the actions of certain extraordinarily rich and powerful "Jews" whose vision of how society should function was, and still is, Marxist and statist. <BR/><BR/>Except for themselves of course, since in their grand vision they would be the directors of this system, and as the directors they alone would NOT be subject to it.<BR/><BR/>To these creatures, who appear on the outside to be people, a hundred million or a billion or two billion horrible human deaths is as nothing, no more than a gentle breeze on a summers eve, if it manages to blow their statist vision of Utopia into existence.<BR/><BR/>Utopia, of course, includes the fattening of their bank accounts and the aggrandizement of their power over others.<BR/><BR/>This is fact, not fantasy. Both World Wars, the Cold War, and now the "War on Terror," were and are mere frauds for the garnering of trillions of dollars. "Jewish" - AND ALSO GENTILE, MR. MAYNARD - bankers on Wall Street (John Pierpont Morgan, to be exact) and in Germany, as well as the Wilson government, which was elected with "Jewish" money and financed ever thereafter with "Jewish" money, lavishly financed the Bolshevik revolution, of which there can be no greater example of statism in history.<BR/><BR/>Mr.Maynard, you cannot deny that they were, and still are, ably aided and abetted by non-"Jews," such as Wilson himself, or such as Bush and McCain, who wanted or want for themselves a sweet slice of this golden pie. (See my offer to Mr. Grigg below.) I put "Jewish" in quotations, because those "Jews" being referred to, and their Gentile accomplices with them, were not real "Jews" or Gentiles, but human parasites, leeches, vampires. No words can suffice to encompass their vast evil, and their treachery towards the nation that gave them life and liberty. It is entirely and wholly because of people like them that so many Jews suffered so horribly in Germany a few decades later, and so many German Gentiles along with them. The horrors of WWII in Europe are beyond our present-day power to imagine.<BR/><BR/>Now, let us try to winnow the Jewish wheat from the Zionist chaff. If anyone wants to inform themselves, I encourage them to go to Neturei Karta at this site:<BR/><BR/>http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/greatgulf.cfm<BR/><BR/>and read what the Jew G.J. Neuberger has to say about Judaism and Zionism. A small excerpt:<BR/><BR/>"Judaism and Zionism are by no means the same. Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable: If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew....Racial pride has been the downfall of those Jews in the past who were blinded by their own narrow-minded chauvinism....In what way are the Jews a "chosen people"? Every Jewish man anywhere and at any time when called to the reading of the Torah says: "Who has chosen us from all the peoples and gave us His Torah." This is the way in which the Jews are chosen. The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behavior and spiritual purity....Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people...This love of the land and the Jewish longing for a return to it and for the coming of the Messiah have been exploited innumerable times during the past 2,000 years. Zionism has had many precursors, and each has been a curse for the Jews....."<BR/><BR/>There speaks a REAL Jew.<BR/><BR/>So....after all this, one has to observe, "What else is new?" Just as vile Cheney and his Gollum sidekick Bush have sought to exploit the love of American youth for their fellow Americans, (who are all most of them ever meet,) and send them off to murder other youths in distant lands who are just like themselves,<BR/>just as they have sought to exploit the fears of Americans in order to enslave them to the Fourth Reich, it is just the same - the very same - how Zionists have exploited the fears and hopes of Jews around the world to build their Glorious Jewish Empire in so-called "Israel" and its Eastern province called "America."<BR/><BR/>Sory to say this, but it is ALL about power and money, and always has been. If you want to know how much money has been stolen in Iraq, go here: <BR/><BR/>http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/print/coverprint.html<BR/><BR/>and if you ever wonder about the ever-expanding "settlements" in Palestine, ask yourself this: How much money do you suppose has been made by SOMEONE by stealing land for "free" from Palestinians and building houses on it which are then sold to Jewish immigrants? I wold venture that the figure must be in the tens of billions.<BR/><BR/>And so it has always been. How much money do you suppose the Nazis stole? How many thousands of artworks, any one of which would fetch tens of millions? How many tons of gold from Jewish teeth? From looted central banks? People are even today still trying feverishly to find just a small part of it and dig it up.<BR/><BR/>So, dear friends and Mr. Grigg, let us not be too surprised. That kind of money can buy newspapers, and TV networks, and corporations, and oil fields, and churches, and think tanks, and yes, it can even buy whole Parliaments and whole Houses of Representatives and whole Senates of the United States of America. All may be purchased with that kind of money, all but for a very few people like Ron Paul, who are either disappeared into the mud of obscurity or, like JFK, RFK, and MLK, disappeared into a coffin.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Grigg, if you were assured of getting away with the crime, who would you murder for one hundred million dollars? A head of state? A stranger on the street? An uncle? a brother? one of your own children? No? How about five hundred million? Just think how much good you could do in the world with all that money! Ah, isn't that a wonderful prospect? And you have four other children anyway. <BR/><BR/>Are you feeling sick yet? Maybe so, or maybe not, but I assure you there are millions of people who would murder all of those, even their own child, for even a small fraction of that kind of money. <BR/><BR/>Indeed, our jolly "Boys in Blue," (or in jet black body armor and ski masks, more likely these days,) as you observe, have murdered over three thousand of us Americans in ten years - more than even the 19 Arab terrorists - and all for just a lousy PAYCHECK!<BR/><BR/>And when one owns the printing presses and can manufacture unlimited amounts of money at will out of thin air, everyone and everything in this whole world is for sale.<BR/><BR/>What an immense poverty of soul we live in, in this present world. I believe someone once said, on being offered "All the kingdoms of the world, and all the glory thereof," He said, "Get the behind me, Satan!" On another occasion He said, "What shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, but lose his own soul?"<BR/><BR/>Remember, the speaker was a Jew.<BR/><BR/>Not a Zionist. Not a Communist. Not a Capitalist. Not a Banker. Not even a High Priest. And especially, not a Republican, nor even a Democrat.<BR/><BR/>Oh, dear me...What shall we do? Well, we could do worse than follow the mild suggestion of the Jew: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and all thy might, and thy neighbor as thyself."<BR/><BR/>Kind regards,<BR/>Lemuel Gulliver.Lemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-49742570395230170942008-08-03T23:57:00.000-06:002008-08-03T23:57:00.000-06:00Wayne, I wouldn't hold my breath about the "church...Wayne, I wouldn't hold my breath about the "churches" rising up and doing much about anything. There will always be a remnant, some salt that hasn't lost its savor, but we are where we are today for the very reason that the majority of Christians do not practice what they preach. They are hollow white washed tombs. No different than two thousand years ago.<BR/><BR/>I would suspect, and expect, that you will see the same patterns exhibited back in Socialist Germany only because it has taken this long to finally wriggle its way into the national psyche so deep that like brain cancer you may try to cut it out but left with little more than a vegetable. Come to think of it... that's where the nation is!<BR/><BR/>Dixie... thanks for the correction. Late nights or early mornings tend to hammer my abilities. One thing you mentioned about government taking the place of churches. It should be evident to all, as I'm sure to you, that all governments at the bottom line seek to be worshiped and to take the place of the peoples gods. It performs "miracles" and so forth but always with an ever increasing price tag. For those adept enough to see through the charades and resist there is always the sinners punishment and banishment.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47126020144353211102008-08-01T22:16:00.000-06:002008-08-01T22:16:00.000-06:00Nazis Did Persecute Christians and Fronted Their O...Nazis Did Persecute Christians and Fronted Their Own Version of "German Church"<BR/><BR/>You wrote...<BR/><I>"...the churches supported Adolf Hitler, and despite all the Jewish propaganda to the contrary, the fact of the matter is, he didn't suppress religious freedom in Germany - he didn't have to - the churches and the people supported him up until the very end.</I> <BR/><BR/>Apparently, Maynard, you can't read. I said Hitler feared a determined Righteousness in the German churches...which he never saw and thus, he prevailed. <BR/><BR/>However, Hitler was an occultist in private belief and practice. He always feared the churches and their beliefs. With regards to the comments, I have yet to find any Pro-Nazi American with more than a superficial understanding of the(abominable) Nazi history he or she may claim to espouse. <BR/><BR/>1)In order to neutralize the churches in Germany, Hitler and his Nazi thugs (bureaucracy and Party adherents) created the "German Church Movement". This new "denomination" was heavily financed by the same Wall Street financiers who financed Hitler's rise to power. <BR/><BR/>2) In much the same way as liberal and Liberation theologians are quoted in the Press today when any religious opinion is needed for social commentary, the new "German Church" denomination - its ministers, its bishops, and their publications - got all the "official press", government subsidies, and official praise, on the premise that the German Church Movement actually and only "represented" German Christianity. <BR/><BR/>When Hitler wanted "church" opinion or needed "Christian" propaganda to bolster his public image, he turned with deliberation to the front he helped create (but again, was financed for him). Thus, he could make himself look "Christian" when needed... and reject it when advantageous. <BR/><BR/>The "German Church", though tactically named, never achieved more than 20% of those who claimed to be "Christian" in any sense of the term... but, from 1935 and following, its "officers" and "publications" received over 90% of all government endorsements, positive quotes, citations and Nazi Party public acclaim in all matters pertaining to anything deemed "church", "Christian" or even "doctrine". <BR/><BR/>3) As to this last point, interestingly enough, even though Hitler ALWAYS insisted his was a "Christianity" without creed or doctrine, he did not want to be held to any OBJECTIVE standard of faith and conduct. <BR/><BR/>He publicly attacked the "Semitic" Law of God, for example, not wishing to be bound by its tenets.<BR/><BR/>Of course, Adolph had no problem demanding conformity "for the sake of the Reich" for all churches. <BR/><BR/>4) He finally resorted to martial law to suppress all church opposition, doctrines, missions, schools, seminaries, pulpits, and publications. This is how he maintained the image of solidarity with German Christianity and Naziism. He suppressed the opposing churches (Bonhoeffer, Niemeyer, etc.)<BR/><BR/>5) In 1937, his Minister of Education, Hans Kerl publicly shocked all of Germany when he demanded all Lutheran Bishops conform to the new "official" Nazi position that "Jesus Christ was a laughable dogma of the past."<BR/><BR/>So much for the alleged "Christianity" of Adolph or his Nazis. <BR/><BR/>Though this was by no means the only issue during this era (there were hundreds of issues documented in this social "war" for the soul of the churches) Kerl and Hitler underestimated the opposition to this statement. <BR/><BR/>6) From this point on, the Nazis went after all aspects of church opposition:<BR/><BR/>- They demanded accountability of all churches in missions programs, youth group activities, and publications, citing a need to "support the Reich."<BR/><BR/>- The historic Gospel was deemed to be a "semitic" innovation, this position being taken by Hitler's "German Church" (1937), and was replaced with "Reich supremacy" as the "gospel". <BR/><BR/>- All monies collected by the churches were subject to scrutiny by authorities/tax men ... with oversight of these authorities coming in the form of the rising Gestapo.<BR/>- All preaching was subject to scrutiny, with German secret police "moles" bringing regular accusations against ministers in all churches who "resisted the [ed. alleged] 'historic' Reich mission." <BR/>- the Reich Bishop was increasingly given more and more power to control all churches of any denominations. Many fled Germany for fear of persecution. Many were jailed. <BR/><BR/>Hitlers' "support" for his socialist programs was very much akin to what we face today in theological liberalism.<BR/><BR/>The problem among upright Christian people today, as then, was/is a lack of understanding of what is "upon them" in candidates such as our two presidential hopefuls. <BR/><BR/>The nature of the deceit is one of the deepest in history. Most people in the churches depend upon their pulpits... and we need those pulpits to stand up and be counted, calling evil what it is...with no "lesser of two evils" espoused ... much less the utterly despicable tenets of the persecuting Nazis of old. <BR/><BR/>My German relatives and their pastor - as Christian people - resisted the Nazi socialists and their "social doctrines" back then... and paid for it. So DON'T, sir, tell me Hitler didn't repress Christian faith and practice. He killed many, jailed others, plundered churches of their resources... and "took" their youth as his own "social movement".<BR/><BR/>I pray God that the churches rise up against this new social agenda espoused by both candidates, which favors the seizure of our youth, the Nazi-like social programs, warfaring foreign policies, abortions, euthanasias and (like Hitler) control of medical and health issues... and, as always, the essential key to the theology of all socialist ideologies, "a hate-thy-neighbor" program and belief system.<BR/><BR/>-Wayne Sedlak,ICHR, Ask for our newsletter at EarlyChristianAmerica.com)Wayne Sedlakhttp://www.earlychristianamerica.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-77713808977183484832008-08-01T21:56:00.000-06:002008-08-01T21:56:00.000-06:00Anon @ 8:34 PM, I earnestly hope that I don't give...Anon @ 8:34 PM, I earnestly hope that I don't give offense by saying that your post is among the most depressing things I've ever read.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-65059919928543888202008-08-01T21:34:00.000-06:002008-08-01T21:34:00.000-06:00I often tutor high schoolers in writing, particula...I often tutor high schoolers in writing, particularly persuasive essays like those required by the SAT college entrance exam. These students are often over-committed in volunteer work. They add to their list of "volunteer hours" to get into NHS or to puff up their college applications.<BR/><BR/>So... I often ask them to discuss this prompt: "Should volunteer work be made mandatory?"<BR/><BR/>I'd have to say a majority respond with "Yes."<BR/><BR/>I ask them if this is not "slavery," and they often have trouble making the connection. These are students with high GPAs, but suffer from the indoctrination from the public school system and the media.<BR/><BR/>Their volunteer work combines with their travel and socializing with others their own age. They see Obama's appeal as some kind of "international do-goodism."<BR/><BR/>We are in trouble.<BR/><BR/>TexasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23567654509721429022008-08-01T20:49:00.000-06:002008-08-01T20:49:00.000-06:00Dearest Mark,Living in England has turned yourbrai...Dearest Mark,<BR/><BR/>Living in England has turned your<BR/>brain into muck. But don't despair.<BR/><BR/>Mr.Grigg is not particular about<BR/>who collects the crumbs from his<BR/>table. <BR/><BR/>Stick around. You might learn<BR/>something, Chump...I mean Mate. <BR/><BR/>Cheerio!(you english bedwetter...)Will Blalocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-51272341754751675662008-08-01T20:39:00.000-06:002008-08-01T20:39:00.000-06:00"To put it in a single phrase: Young people must b..."To put it in a single phrase: Young people must be taught to shun the State as their mortal enemy, rather than to embrace it as their redeemer."<BR/><BR/>Wow! That is one of the most powerful sentences I have ever read. I hate to advocate it but in these "bumper sticker mentalities" times it would make a great bumper sticker. (Pardon the doublethink.) Of course any car displaying said bumper sticker would become an instant cop magnet. But we must fight back anyway we can. Mr Grigg, you are a gift from God.gulox2http://www.blogger.com/profile/05235510517433632572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-68056820064974175502008-08-01T19:52:00.000-06:002008-08-01T19:52:00.000-06:00i guess i should see if im on my list. benti guess i should see if im on my list.<BR/> bentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-17133916435757927902008-08-01T19:51:00.000-06:002008-08-01T19:51:00.000-06:00I don't think anyone here likes racists, however. ...<I>I don't think anyone here likes racists, however. Especially statist racists.</I><BR/><BR/>Amen -- especially to the last three words.<BR/><BR/><I> mark is on my list.</I><BR/><BR/>We shouldn't keep lists; as has been pointed out here (go back and read "They Have a Little List"), that's the enemy's gig.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26743522029353615192008-08-01T19:50:00.000-06:002008-08-01T19:50:00.000-06:00maybe that maynard creep to. bentmaybe that maynard creep to.<BR/> bentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-22421740265694863422008-08-01T19:48:00.000-06:002008-08-01T19:48:00.000-06:00mark is on my list. bentmark is on my list.<BR/> bentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33517005685730921112008-08-01T19:47:00.000-06:002008-08-01T19:47:00.000-06:00"if a tax funded worker helps a disabled person be..."if a tax funded worker helps a disabled person because our system is not set up such a way that they are supported (God is Merciful, Compassionate, Love thy Neighbour as yourself) and our religious understanding and determination so weak that they are not going to be taken care of by the local communities in which they live then i am glad that someone other than privately controlled profit-motive organisations that exclude people on the basis of how much money they have, personally, are doing so."<BR/><BR/>Before violent men using other people's money usurped true charity in the early 1900's, people had far more money to donate to effective charities. And they did. Religious and parochial schools provided high-quality, inexpensive education to even the poorest children. "Social Security" was having 8 children and good neighbors who looked out for you. Mutual aid societies were phenomenally commonplace. They made it possible for the common man to have medical care and life insurance. <BR/><BR/>Fast forward to today: Now, when the government robs you of over 30% of your income, a grandiose portion of which is being used to create and ensure emotional and physical dependency, are you feeling much urge to donate money, when so much has already been stolen from you? Nobody under 50 will see a dime of their stolen Socialist Security money. It's already been taken from you at the point of a gun or the threat thereof, and redistributed to others. The State doesn't care if it <I>actually</I> helps anyone. Why should it? Get the government out of providing help to the needy. They have every incentive to keep people poor, while individuals and religion-based organizations do not. <BR/><BR/>Believe it or not, roads, hospitals, charity, efficient transportation and order would exist without a tax-funded State. People would not start slaking their thirst with the warm blood of freshly-killed kittens if there did not exist an institution with a laughable claim to a monopoly on violence. But some people can't think outside the State. <BR/><BR/>As for the racist, everyone else was ignoring him. I think that on a basic human interaction level, nobody here cares what you are, as long as you do not initiate violence against others. I don't think anyone here likes racists, however. Especially statist racists. <BR/><BR/> -Sans AuthoritasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81763850425368384222008-08-01T14:25:00.000-06:002008-08-01T14:25:00.000-06:00Ja Voll!mot, I think you mean "Jawohl!" ...<I>Ja Voll!</I><BR/><BR/>mot, I think you mean "Jawohl!" but your meaning was crystal clear, nonetheless ;).<BR/><BR/>Will, the poster that says "Jugend dient dem Führer" in essence means what you said, but literally means "Youth serve the Leader". They might not <I>de jure</I> "own" you, but <I>de facto</I>, they do. As a prime ingredient of fascism or nazism, a sense of "belonging" is paramount, it's just making sure the peons understand the correct sense of "belonging." In other words, <I>we</I> BELONG to <I>it</I> and not vise versa. To the discerning, this is just merely an attempt to substitute the State in place of God as master in the people's collective mind. Subverting religion, particularly Christianity, is a prime goal after all. Nothing new there.<BR/><BR/><I>if a tax funded worker helps a disabled person because our system is not set up such a way that they are supported (God is Merciful, Compassionate, Love thy Neighbour as yourself) and our religious understanding and determination so weak that they are not going to be taken care of by the local communities in which they live then i am glad that someone other than privately controlled profit-motive organisations that exclude people on the basis of how much money they have, personally, are doing so.</I><BR/><BR/>First of all, mark, you're assuming the State is immune to budget constraints with which private "profit-motive" organizations regularly have to be cognizant of. Nonsense. While it's true that the State can prolong its profligate spending far beyond what a private entity could ever hope to manage, as its revenue generation and credit line are based on confiscation rather than voluntary exchange, nevertheless it cannot go on indefinitely. There reaches a point where the the commoner folk (specifically the middle or producer class of that group) have been emptied of their wealth and no amount of additional squeezing will plop out another damn dime. After all, one you can't extract blood from a turnip.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, if the people's "religious understanding and determination [is] so weak" what on earth makes you think the State's "religious understanding and determination" will be so strong? Ain't governments at least a rough reflection of the people over which they rule? After all, it's precisely the same folk who you claim are so careless on a personal level that largely fill the halls of government, mark. No, the State will act accordingly, and reflect the populace accordingly, especially when the decision comes down to supporting non-productive citizens such as a disabled person, an elderly person, etc. Euthanasia and abortion, naturally, are products of the collective people's dearth of "religious understanding and determination" and the State obviously reflects that.<BR/><BR/><I>to say that someone working to sell crappy food which has been produced through exploitative and abusive production methods (vis a vis, the cow, the planet, and human dignity for example) is a better example of public service than taking care of someone with special needs and being paid for it with a little bit of your money (either because you can't be bothered to do it, or would rather have someone else do the dirty work God has commanded you do on His behalf) then so be it, but it is my understanding of religion that you and others like you will pay for it in the hereafter. God is Great and the Fire a Painful Doom</I><BR/><BR/>mark, you sound a lot like Martin Sheen back in the 80s when he slept for night on manhole covers in Washington D.C. The media was fawning over it, the "compassion" of it, ad nauseam. Sheen, of course, was merely petitioning government on behalf of the homeless, not demonstrating any true compassion. Is there really any other kind of compassion implored by a Hollyweird celebrity? Gee, he could easily have <I>demonstrated</I> real compassion by inviting the homeless fellas down to his fat Beverly Hills crib for a warm meal, clothing, and a place to sleep OR by giving the poor fellas some essentials of life, perhaps helped them get a job, hired them himself for yardwork, whatever, but all peformed at his expense, with his OWN money! Instead, it was all show and he wanted government to <I>take</I> "a little bit of YOUR money" to perpetuate homelessness, essentially.<BR/><BR/>It must be remembered that when falsely accepted by the commoners that government grants rights, "cares for" people (the reasoning given is irrelevant), etc., etc., it must also thereby be accepted by the commoners that government can revoke those rights, halt that "care," and does so.<BR/><BR/>In the UK, charity may be all but unknown nowadays, but in the US it's not...yet at least. Sure, donations and volunteer work may be down sharply precisely because of government-induced problems in the economy - the debasement of the currency, the housing bubble, the high cost of fuel and food (eco-nazi regulations, ethanol subsidies, and the currency debasement), and other areas.dixiedoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09845646940134894119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13947665925204502322008-08-01T13:49:00.000-06:002008-08-01T13:49:00.000-06:00.Will Grigg's insights put all the other writers t....Will Grigg's insights put all the other writers to shame. I can't wait for his next piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29583983967169304612008-08-01T10:11:00.000-06:002008-08-01T10:11:00.000-06:00William, I don't know what I would do without your...William, I don't know what I would do without your blog. You give me so much to think about! This article is especially revealing. Keep it up!David Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18404510758874542598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3148406694550074322008-08-01T09:14:00.000-06:002008-08-01T09:14:00.000-06:00Mark, for somebody eager to tutor the rest of us r...Mark, for somebody eager to tutor the rest of us regarding the need to recognize "nuance," you seem quite oblivious to the same with respect to the practice of tolerating views one finds genuinely repulsive. <BR/><BR/>What we have here is not a "sewer of ... prejudice," but rather an occasional effort to ruin the party by putting a turd in the punchbowl. That's an obvious and pretty significant distinction, one easily recognized by a master of nuance like yourself. <BR/><BR/>There is much of substance and merit in the rest of your post to which I would like to respond later. For now I will simply point out that I see service rendered in the covenant relationship between parents and children, and other forms of altruism, as <I>private</I> service. <BR/><BR/>There's nothing wrong, and a great deal right, with public service that is offered through a sense of altruism. But doing so through the mechanism of contract is more desirable than practicing the evil of coercion.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6879771892454824812008-08-01T07:18:00.000-06:002008-08-01T07:18:00.000-06:00Dear Mr. Grigg,I have found the following book to ...Dear Mr. Grigg,<BR/><BR/>I have found the following book to be very informative. Perhaps you will, too.<BR/><BR/>http://theauthoritarians.com (it's an e-book)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-7504965435178532832008-08-01T05:12:00.000-06:002008-08-01T05:12:00.000-06:00Will, I've said the same thing as you... that rega...Will, I've said the same thing as you... that regardless of whether they force you into their "service" you don't have to participate. Let them throw you in the klink and what will they do then! <BR/><BR/>But, of course, we have guards trained in dehumanizing those in their charge (has it ever been different?) so they would likely intimidate or brutalize them into submission. I'd like to think that they will withstand such lies and be true men and women of character and not weasly wimps.<BR/><BR/>Now as far as Curt's comments about that dreaded "Zionist" threat... <BR/>(cue Homer Simpson) "Ziiiiooonist"<BR/><BR/>So what else is new. There has been a hardcore group within the US for ages with willing and able non-zionist enablers inside and out. Just to be clear lets not get carried away and blame Jews just for being Jews. That's like blaming all Americans for the evil machinations of those idiots at the top.<BR/><BR/>I've known plenty of so-called "Christians" who suck the socialist teat, lies and all, with such a zeal that it's obscene! The difference being? There isn't any! <BR/><BR/>The mindset of the thirties that inculcated this poisonous train of thought in the Germanic Volk isn't much different than what is exhibited amongst our Amerikan Bruder und Schwestern. <BR/><BR/>We can thank TV for helping to level the intellectual cranial topography of Boobus-Americanus to something resembling a babies hynie!<BR/><BR/>Ja Voll!MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2111467238561933682008-08-01T02:41:00.000-06:002008-08-01T02:41:00.000-06:00So lovely to find all this anti-Judaic and broader...So lovely to find all this anti-Judaic and broader racist feeling in the company of Mr Griggs. What a stink i am holding my nose as i type in the sewer of your prejudice, real excrement is more worthwhile than some of the attitudes dispayed, as it's genuinely fertile - in an earthly food growing sense.<BR/><BR/>Cutting to the chase: <BR/><BR/>"Rather than catechizing them in collectivism, young people desperately need to be taught that the only genuine public service is that which takes place through commerce and contract"<BR/><BR/>I shoud like to challenge this assertion. A covenant of love between a parent and small child, or conversely child and ageing parent though 'private' in a sense is hardly commercial or contractual, yet it is service. <BR/><BR/>And the same covenental principle is extended, on a daily basis by good people to their neighbours, friends or even for complete strangers, human beings who the shall never meet, our great great grandchildren for example, or rendered humans currently going mad in Camp Delta, for example.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how it is that a man of your intelligence can ignore the example of the founder of the religion he professes to follow in such a broad and exclusively financial (commercial) / narrow (contractual) sense (your definition of public service) with such ease? <BR/><BR/>Perhaps it has something to do with the need to flog a book?<BR/><BR/>When it comes to despising the state, while not in disagreement with you - to an extent - i do think your argument needs some nuance here too. That we should despise some aspects of the state (the satanic parts) is obvious - but also a balanced view (render unto caesar what is caesar's does not necessarily mean 'it's ALL bad') would be better, IMO. <BR/><BR/>Appreciate the progressive bits that actually work when you see them. And if you look for them, you will see them IMO. <BR/><BR/>Not just as an abstraction for you may need them or at least you may need to emulate them - after getting rid of the satanic stuff - in the future. <BR/><BR/>Likewise on the other side you should recognise those many aspects of the commercial corporate world you appear to like that are very fallen indeed, cruel and exploitative and not just the banks (If you wish to produce a genuinely well rounded critique of the state of political and economic liberty in the world today)<BR/><BR/>Personally to follow your example I have no problem with lawnmowers *although growing food rather than putting poisonous chemicals to preserve, presumably that little bit of England that is/was admired / pined for in the past* would seem a far better use of human space and time but to say "They should be helped to understand that a youngster who flips hamburgers ... in exchange for a private paycheck is performing a socially useful service immeasurably superior to.."<BR/><BR/>is a bit over the top, to say the least. if a tax funded worker helps a disabled person because our system is not set up such a way that they are supported (God is Merciful, Compassionate, Love thy Neighbour as yourself) and our religious understanding and determination so weak that they are not going to be taken care of by the local communities in which they live then i am glad that someone other than privately controlled profit-motive organisations that exclude people on the basis of how much money they have, personally, are doing so. <BR/><BR/>to say that someone working to sell crappy food which has been produced through exploitative and abusive production methods (vis a vis, the cow, the planet, and human dignity for example) is a better example of public service than taking care of someone with special needs and being paid for it with a little bit of your money (either because you can't be bothered to do it, or would rather have someone else do the dirty work God has commanded you do on His behalf) then so be it, but it is my understanding of religion that you and others like you will pay for it in the hereafter. God is Great and the Fire a Painful Doom <BR/><BR/>"Young people must be taught to shun the State as their mortal enemy, rather than to embrace it as their redeemer."<BR/><BR/>Try shunning ALL structures of power that do not put people equally in the driving seat, with others in common cause and you've got it. <BR/><BR/>It ain't just about the state, pay-check mate, there is a market and the question of true religion to deal with, too:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/jonathan-sacks-an-equation-that-leaves-out-a-vital-component-love-880266.html" REL="nofollow">Chief Rabbi at Lambeth</A><BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-10534043295929646062008-07-31T22:44:00.000-06:002008-07-31T22:44:00.000-06:00This nation should never, repeat never opened Lady...This nation should never, repeat never opened Lady Liberty's arms to those huddled masses from Eastern Europe who brought with them the seeds of the destruction we witness today. We were kind, and we were welcoming. From the 1880's to 1925 immigration was to shape the United States a century later. What fruit will bear those 30,000,000 "guest workers" from south of our borders in the next century to come?Veritashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02427162810699300784noreply@blogger.com