Comments on Pro Libertate: One Of These Things Is Just Like The Other

Isn't it ironic that someone would choose a career...

2008-05-13T12:37:00.000-06:00

Isn't it ironic that someone would choose a career field that claims to protect the citizenry and solve crime and violence while all along its part of the problem.

It's amazing just how much this subway guard resem...

2008-05-11T22:45:00.000-06:00

It's amazing just how much this subway guard resembles the big gold robot in the movie The Day The Earth Stood Still.

Were the police, whether federal or local, EVER pr...

2008-05-11T11:15:00.000-06:00

Were the police, whether federal or local, EVER professional? Or was it all PR SPIN? I begin to think it was always spin.

Suspects MUST be treated professionally. We don't see that.
Inmates in prisons should be treated professionally, we do not see that.

What happened in Philadelphia is not due to race, I think, but due to how law enforcement views all citizens now, all civilians now.

In Brazil the police are corrupt also. In Mexico the police are corrupt also. In Africa the police are corrupt also. Asia I don't know about but I am sure it can't be that different.

Europe I know that they are often as brutal also.

Christian nation? I think not.
I meet many people who go to church, go to Bible study, but meeting a Christian is a rare, rare thing in life.

America is DONE. The Greatest Generation voted it out of existence.

I admire WNG for fighting on but this is a sewer morally and the American character is psychopathic.

Video link is farked. The man is everywhere.

2008-05-10T17:18:00.000-06:00

Video link is farked. The man is everywhere.

Mot comments: "Now when we ask for that power back...

2008-05-09T22:58:00.000-06:00

Mot comments: "Now when we ask for that power back and THEY don't do so (no surprise there) what recourse is left to us?"

I have pondered the question of recourse for many years now and, as you, have come to the conclusion that there is no recourse within the system - it is self-reinforcing, not self-correcting. With that in mind one has to weigh the possible options left.

The first question you have to honestly ask yourself is "are you willing to give up everything, even your life, to effect a change that you might never see yourself?" If a person cannot answer yes to that question then they will always have the question of what to do unanswered while they wait for others to act where they will not.

When you do answer yes to that question, and it is a very personal decision, you will begin to see options (ugly though they may be) that you would not have considered previously.

I sometimes wonder whether economic ruin wasn't Bin Laden's actual plan. If so, he has been a brilliant tactician and our pols have walked right into the trap. That said, our country is on the brink of a tipping point and it will not take much to nudge it over the edge. It won't take a militia, only a few well executed 'incidents'. The problem is one can never predict what the resultant outcome will be. Chaotic systems are that way.

As Morpheus in the Matrix would say "Free your mind" . . .

These articles were forwarded to me by an aquainta...

2008-05-09T17:38:00.000-06:00

These articles were forwarded to me by an aquaintance and i thought these snippets were appropriate to your post Will.

Last week an AP report headlined Massachusetts Police Get Black
Uniforms to Instill Sense of 'Fear' detailed the move:

Sgt. John Delaney told a city council hearing Wednesday that the stark uniforms send a message to criminals that officers are serious about making arrests.

Delaney said a sense of "fear" has been missing for the past few years.

In recent years police in cities all over America have been increasingly seen in all black attire.

The introduction of black police uniforms has an ominous precedent. In 1932 Hitler's propaganda chief Heinrich Himmler famously introduced black uniforms for SS police, tailored to project authority and foster fear and respect. The choice of color was not by chance.

It is believed that the Nazis took the idea from the "blackshirts" in Italy years before the creation of the SS.

A 2001 FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin has summarized research on police uniforms and noted the psychological influence they have:

Research has suggested that clothing has a powerful impact on how people perceive each other. The police officer's uniform has a profound psychological impact on others, and even slight alterations to the style of the uniform may change how citizens perceive them.

The studies cited found that black uniforms elicit emotions of anger, hostility, dominance, and aggression…”

Your comment about those who serve as police and d...

2008-05-08T12:12:00.000-06:00

Your comment about those who serve as police and do their best to keep lawlessness at bay while protecting the innocent from excessive force is appreciated. There are some in the military in the same boat--who see legitimate enemies our nation needs to be ready to defend against, but who also realize their oath was to "defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." Some are concerned there are more of the latter to worry about. Your potential allies, should the balloon go up, don't just wear police blue.

Thank you for the work you put into informing your readers of things largely ignored everywhere else.

I knew the cops are one of the approved, state san...

2008-05-08T12:08:00.000-06:00

I knew the cops are one of the approved, state sanctioned gangs from a young age. The schooly system always tried to kick me out for discussing the NWO and waking the other children up. Our evul public school system had us read "Animal Farm" I know that is not going on anymore. I wonder if the cops will tell us what the ratio is how many of us unwashed cattle equals one police officer. I heard somewhere the police won't take anyone with a triple digit IQ so they are probably not smart enough to realize "the state" will toss them to the curb when they are no longer useful.

"...one must never lose sight of the fact that gov...

2008-05-08T11:55:00.000-06:00

"...one must never lose sight of the fact that government power, all of it, was ceded to it by the people who have a right to reclaim it if necessary or appropriate."

Yes. That's so true. Now when we ask for that power back and THEY don't do so (no surprise there) what recourse is left to us? I can tell you that "voting" in rigged elections will have little effect. So will they "allow" us to pull a 1776 and do what the founders did, those paragons of freedom we're repeatedly told, and strike out for freedom and separate ourselves?. Would all the lip service given for democratic movements across the globe ever be uttered within the continent? It makes one wonder.

Sans Authoritas,I always enjoy your wit and sarcas...

2008-05-08T11:30:00.000-06:00

Sans Authoritas,

I always enjoy your wit and sarcasm. Great remarks.

Fred said:Off duty, bar-hopping cops must adhere t...

2008-05-08T11:03:00.000-06:00

Fred said:

Off duty, bar-hopping cops must adhere to some rules: Leave you're gun, brass knuckles (I didn't those were still manufactured), and badge home. If you're drinking with the boys, keep your mouth shut when disturbances arise. Be careful of the company you keep (rowdy bars). Have a sober driver handy who can intervene when he sees you doing something stupid.

That's certainly what sensible human beings would do in similar circumstances. Unfortunately, we're talking here about cops, a breed of human beings who not only do not follow "rules" of any kind, but believe that they are above not only the law they have sworn an oath to uphold, but also normal rules of civilized human behavior that govern the actions of 95 percent of the rest of humanity. (I'm leaving a five percent margin here for what I estimate to be the percentage of the world's population employed directly by some form of government and endowed with the authority to use lethal force against their fellow humans, justified or not, at will.)

quid nunc, Obviously, the police wouldn't have bea...

2008-05-08T08:03:00.000-06:00

quid nunc,

Obviously, the police wouldn't have beaten anyone if they didn't deserve it.

Blowback? Are you saying that these police and government actions are, in part, a cause of any potential retaliation? The police and the government that they serve are America. Are you one of those "blame America first" people?

Don't you know that those brave boys in blue are just doing their job? (And a difficult, thankless one, at that.) They are out there every day, preventing us from being set upon by baying packs of violent thugs, robbers, and rapists who want to control every aspect of our lives. If it weren't for those brave boys with badges who are superior in every way, both morally and physically, we'd be reduced to chaos! We'd all be sinking our teeth into the still-warm flesh of freshly-killed kittens, and slaking our thirst with their blood. Is that what you want? Anarchy?

Show some respect!

[Sans Authoritas advises those with reduced sarcasm capability to put on sarcasm-colored glasses to read this post.]

-Sans Authoritas

I guess we can assume by now that the US governmen...

2008-05-08T05:01:00.000-06:00

I guess we can assume by now that the US government will never suffer blowback from the docile herd.

So this cop goes to a side door to prevent more ba...

2008-05-07T23:51:00.000-06:00

So this cop goes to a side door to prevent more bar patrons from joining the fray, but one emerges wearing brass knuckles (probably had a few drinks in him, too), allegedly doesn't comply with the cop who is trying to prevent more people from being involved, Tases him when he doesn't comply, then he pulls a pistol while he's down from being Tased.

The chances of this poor fellow being shot are pretty good.

Off duty, bar-hopping cops must adhere to some rules: Leave you're gun, brass knuckles (I didn't those were still manufactured), and badge home. If you're drinking with the boys, keep your mouth shut when disturbances arise. Be careful of the company you keep (rowdy bars). Have a sober driver handy who can intervene when he sees you doing something stupid.

What a sad story.

You raise an important issue, Will: The camaraderie and the impulses to protect those who you are close to. I can understand this behavior when it is exhibited by any tight group. But seeing it in the form of retaliation by agents of the government is unacceptable. Seeing the behavior of private gangs and government gangs becoming increasingly indistinguishable is scary.

Your acknowledgement and request for prayers for "defectors in place" warms my heart. Unfortunately, many cops will do anything for OVERTIME in the pay check. And the defectors can do little without the help from the legislators who pass repugnant laws. It's not like they'll quit their jobs.

anonymous, your clarification is very important an...

2008-05-07T22:23:00.000-06:00

anonymous, your clarification is very important and much appreciated!

The case of Mr. Stamp is interesting insomuch as h...

2008-05-07T22:22:00.000-06:00

The case of Mr. Stamp is interesting insomuch as he was gunned down by 'one of his own'. How unfortunate that this is actually a good thing for anyone at all concerned with liberty - when they start to 'eat their own' we are making some ground. He may have been a good man, but he was in the employ of a flawed ideology (gov't - bikers are ok by me).

I rarely take issue with anything you post, but this item caught my eye:

'Every government, pared to its irreducible essence, is an armed gang with a territorial monopoly on "legitimate" force.'

While I agree that this is the accepted definition - one must never lose sight of the fact that government power, all of it, was ceded to it by the people who have a right to reclaim it if necessary or appropriate. Not disagreeing just offering a clarification that escapes most of the sheeple, who sorely need reminding.

We hear this excuse quite a bit: The public is inv...

2008-05-07T21:49:00.000-06:00

We hear this excuse quite a bit: The public is invited to sympathize with a police officer caught abusing some helpless schlep because the cop was "on edge" owing to some recent incident in which a policeman was on the short end of a violent confrontation. Oddly enough, however, we've yet to see a case in which we're urged to display similar empathy toward a citizen -- "on edge" because of recent police violence -- who shoots an innocent cop.

You hit the nail on the head. That's it, in a nutshell.

I'm sick and tired of cops being the biggest, baddest group of armed thugs in this country. I hear it all the time, time after time, from friends and from strangers.

One would think there would be a point where peopl...

2008-05-07T19:39:00.000-06:00

One would think there would be a point where people would just say enough is enough. One would be wrong.

I will never, ever believe that "most cops are goo...

2008-05-07T18:37:00.000-06:00

I will never, ever believe that "most cops are good, but there are only a few bad apples." Such beast-like behavior comes with the profession. That's because A) They have a monopoly on violence. B) They are only ever "investigated" by their own departments, and more abstractly, by their employer (the local government.) The local government doesn't want to pay out settlements or admit guilt. So they don't.

C) If you give a man a firearm and a badge, and tell him that he has rights to do things that other people can't do without getting thrown in prison, he will often turn into the type of savage, hooting primates you see swarming the driver in the video. All beasts know how to use clubs and/or their appendages as weapons.

-Sans Authoritas

This is an incredible event. And interesting that ...

2008-05-07T17:56:00.000-06:00

This is an incredible event. And interesting that the cops are protecting Torres- even after he had killed another cop. Two cops lives are destroyed by this. It's hard for me to imagine that Torres has a future as a cop after this. He will not be prosecuted, but if he tries to come back the other cops will not be kind.

Dan