Comments on Pro Libertate: When the State Breaks a Man

Sounds like someone with a major psychiatric probl...

2011-07-12T10:11:06.302-06:00

Sounds like someone with a major psychiatric problem. "Brutalized and shaken" to "the CORE????"

MALE PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM????

1) So, what was the REAL problem?

2) And why do you seek attention to your "brutalized" gentle self on the forum devoted to Thomas J. Ball? Why won't you seek attention on a forum devoted to "victims" of PATRIARCHY?

to ray - fuck you. how would you even know anythi...

2011-07-11T15:40:50.077-06:00

to ray - fuck you. how would you even know anything about anything if it didn't affect you directly.

I'm a woman - and I've been used, abused, brutalized and shaken to my very CORE with how I've been treated by men. So FUCK YOU!!!

And don't you DARE presume to know how the MALE PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM has TREATED ME!!! You fucking douche-bag. Rot in hell, you piece of shit...

There has been an extremely intense and focused ef...

2011-07-08T11:50:46.985-06:00

There has been an extremely intense and focused effort over the last 40 years to once and for all destroy the traditional family because it is the last bastion against total control of human life by the state. This article provides a good summary of where we were 6 years ago. It's worse now. Read and despair: http://toqonline.com/archives/v7n2/v7no2_Devlin.pdf

Mr. Ball was a martyr. God may or may not exist, ...

2011-07-06T09:46:47.108-06:00

Mr. Ball was a martyr.
God may or may not exist, but Satan sure does. Satan exists in those who drafted the laws, the police officers who make these arrests, employees of the state “child protective” system, and the lawyers that willfully dismantle families for profit.
Self-immolation is a very, very, powerful message. In fact a similar event triggered a massive revolt against similar oppressive regimes in the Arab world. The American mass media failed to pick up this amazing home spun story of self inflicted hell fire. However, we hear of the aftermath triggered by the Tunisian self immolation event on a daily basis. Perhaps the American syndicated media is also controlled by Satan and do not want to expose the evil truth of their system. After all, Satan is a liar and a coward.
Mr. Ball’s letter does an excellent job of exposing the system for what it is. He was found not guilty but Satan’s system still gets his daughters. Therefore, the letter is a call for action for other fathers experiencing the same hell-on-earth. Mr. Ball suggests the defense of the war against fathers be waged with Molotov Cocktails against the property of Child Protective Services, family law courthouses, i.e. the temples of Satan’s System. I’m not sure what the “second set of books” says about arson but I’m sure the penalty is minimal in respect to losing your children to Satan and his minions. Two-hots-and-a-cot just may be better than living in a car by the river. It certainly is more tolerable than burning alive on the courthouse steps.
I can certainly empathize with a man’s wishes to send a collective hellfire message to a system that profits from stealing a man’s child when that child is the only thing he has left to live for. I wonder if the American mass media would pick up on a “Thomas J. Ball Night” event where millions of broken father’s toss Molotov Cocktails into the unoccupied temples of the system that destroyed their families.
This story is not over and Thomas J. Ball did not take his life by self immolation in vain.

It's not just against men, hon. overwhelming...

2011-06-27T15:08:00.546-06:00

It's not just against men, hon.

overwhelmingly, it IS a war against boys and men in ALL western countries

hon

I'm a woman...and they are being just as brutal and unrealistic and disparaging against me

no, "they" aren't, you're living in Lady La La Land

even a cursory glance at reality -- homelessness, poverty, incarceration rates and policies, false accusation, suicide, workplace mortality, exclusion from education and employment, and on and on, reveals a vast and joyous hatred for the male of the species that is now enshrined in both law and extra-legal policy and assumption (Second Set of Books) across the wimpified west

the treatment of boys and men in the west, and in amerika in particular, is nothing short of apartheid

thanks to William Grigg for this coverage of the matriarchy's destruction of yet another Useless Perpetrating Male

may god answer the enemeies of fatherhood and masculinity

ray

It's not just against men, hon. I'm a wom...

2011-06-27T09:24:22.673-06:00

It's not just against men, hon. I'm a woman...and they are being just as brutal and unrealistic and disparaging against me. Honestly, I think it has more to do with economic resources. Now that I've hired a lawyer, I'm getting some consideration after five years of being treated like a dog-pile...

As a result of extreme prejudice in the family cou...

2011-06-26T22:37:23.775-06:00

As a result of extreme prejudice in the family courts, over 4500 men commit suicide in the US every year. That's at least 3 times higher than all allied forces lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan even during the worst year of war there.

Make no mistake about it: it is a war against men. There is no "law" in war.

These cases are the result of a society which has ...

2011-06-25T18:54:43.718-06:00

These cases are the result of a society which has thrown God, justice, the rule of law, integrity, and common sense to the wind and replaced them all with screwed-up shrinks, corrupt and insane public policy makers and judges and power-lust and greedy politicians who abide by the rules of radical feminist's, wacko environmental terrorists, sexual perverts, inept and insane academics/social scientists/psychologist/shrinks, and government workers who believe:

1. The natural family, one man and one woman must be destroyed in order to appease the wacko freaks and God-haters.

2. The state, i.e., the insane/corrupt/greedy/immoral workers hired only because they are insane/corrupt/greedy and immoral, is now the god, the religion, and the arbitor of all human rigts, thoughts, and actions.

3. Men and children are to be thrown to the wolves if they interfere with the "there are no sexual genders nor any abnormal sexual preferences" moonbats who also believe men and children are expendable if they dare to interfer with a woman's "choices".

Interesting isn't it, how those who talk a blu...

2011-06-25T00:10:47.580-06:00

Interesting isn't it, how those who talk a blue streak about "family values" never say a word about CPS.

If you weren't child-less, I think I could fal...

2011-06-24T16:12:56.235-06:00

If you weren't child-less, I think I could fall in love with you...wow - that was one very thoughtful answer...wow :)

off-topic Will...was wondering if you'd seen t...

2011-06-24T15:31:39.656-06:00

off-topic Will...was wondering if you'd seen this news story coming out of Rochester. http://www.capitalfreepress.com/3517-emily-supporters-harassed-police/

Unknown at 6:42 said: "Another thing I reall...

2011-06-24T14:53:01.823-06:00

Unknown at 6:42 said:

"Another thing I really hate is people who don't have children judging any parent. Anybody that has any power in that capacity should be required to have children of their own...to be able to understand it."

I have to agree with you here about 50%. Having no children myself, I'm sure there is much I don't really understand, however, once upon a time, I was a little child myself. That is one universal truth about every human on the planet. I was a child with imperfect parents. I know what that made me, so yeah, I don't really understand the nitty-gritty details of parenthood, but I do know plenty about the dynamic. Is it only parents who want to do bad things to their kids who play the "don't-judge-me-your-not-a-parent" card?

I can't "judge" Mr. Ball, but I can "discern" that slapping a four-year-old child on the face with enough force to cut her little lip for a childish activity that was annoying but not dangerous seems to indicate that the man did, indeed, have anger issues and it probably wasn't the first time he'd gone over the edge with his wife and kids. The infamous slap could have been that one final straw that got the cops called this time.

Also, as a grown-up human now, I can also "discern" that committing suicide is the fool's and the coward's way out. Did it not occur to him that his girls would someday be adults and not under the control of the system or their mom? Now, any chance his children had of having a father once they were old enough to be out from under the system's jackboot is irrevocably over. His suicide makes a mockery of his last paragraph telling the girls he loved them and family is all they have and they should always stick together, no matter what. Yeah, right. He should have put his money where his mouth was.

I'm all for dismantling the disgusting system that is passed off as "the government;" it certainly tries patience and souls, is evil as can be and not worth the monopoly money printed to fund it, but this Mr. Ball can hardly be considered the poster boy of the tragedy of the system. He claimed affection for Jesus, Mary and Joseph, but had no ability (desire?) to rest in Jesus and ride out this egregious injustice. Rather than do something heroic, like mabye risking arrest to visit his girls on the sly and perhaps end up in a running gun battle with the cops and taking a few out with him, he just goes poofdershmokin on the couthouse steps.

Um. I think I'd like to hear what his wife has to say. I just don't buy the story that he's the slightly-flawed but entirely innocent one in all this.

Nevertheless, innocent or not, it is not the business of government to regulate families. One of you asked what are women who truly are abused to do? Well, grow a set, first off, as they say. Second, do anything except go whining to the "government." Next time the bastard beats you up, wait for him to go to sleep, then staple the bedsheets to the bed all around him, then get a good, solid broomstick and start working him over. When he wakes up, let him know that he beat you for the very last time.

That's what you do.

Dear Mr. Grigg, I have just discovered your blog....

2011-06-23T07:05:05.797-06:00

Dear Mr. Grigg,

I have just discovered your blog. Every article you have published makes my stomach churn and my heart ache.

Thank you for bringing us awareness. Keep up the good work.

Just letting u know that your article was posted a...

2011-06-23T06:16:11.709-06:00

Just letting u know that your article was posted at" http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=15811

Not this article but 'Lockdown High'.

Personally I believe the idea is to get parents to breed and that's about it.

The Govt. on one side and the Corporation on the other, who 'advertise' to children by going round the parents [ eg: sending them cellphone messages related to online sites etc etc.]

This video show the enormous amount of money spent to tempt them. It very informative.

1 parent families will of course find it harder to keep their tentacles from their children as they often have to go out to work - thus school[govt programming] and often home to TV [ corprogramming]

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2010/12/consuming-kids-commercialization-of.html

How blithely the paper-people dismiss human life. Privately I assume they still feel they did the right thing, like blowing away Mr.Guerano and stealing Mary Godboldo's child.

cheers

Thanks for this article. Your article was the subj...

2011-06-22T21:24:46.071-06:00

Thanks for this article. Your article was the subject of my video a few days ago:

http://tinyurl.com/6h4sbuy

Hope I was able to give you a few hits. The corruption of the family courts is an issue that the MSM is unable to keep suppressed.

I've been through a similar situation. My dau...

2011-06-22T18:42:08.376-06:00

I've been through a similar situation. My daughter has been kept from me for several years, basically because I'm poor. I finally was able to save up, hire an attorney - and now I'm getting some consideration from family court.

The only concern I have with this article is - what are women supposed to do who are truly being abused? And how do we stop women who aren't being abused from using the system inappropriately?

My mom and sisters are like that - they behave as victims to use the system for their personal gain...and I hate them for it. I also teach my son to always be respectful toward women - to know that he's more physically powerful, and it should never be used to hurt someone of lesser physical stature. But there will always be men who do push women around...and as a society, we can't just ignore it.

I'm all for boycotting the system otherwise - I think the author is right. I hate cops, DAs, judges...and social workers for the most part. I'd really rather not have anything to do with them for the rest of my life.

Personally, I don't believe we can stop what's been started...but it might be a good idea to require recordings of all interactions between state agencies (including cops and social workers) and citizens. And a better level of review over all of it.

Another thing I really hate is people who don't have children judging any parent. Anybody that has any power in that capacity should be required to have children of their own...to be able to understand it.

Yes, we have lost our compassion, and we are going...

2011-06-22T12:48:42.771-06:00

Yes, we have lost our compassion, and we are going to get exactly what we deserve as jungle jane said. The man was driven to total despair, and we seldom do things exactly right under those circumstances, but he so well conveyed the message. The hurt that the state is so willing to inflict upon us all is there for us all to see right there on those courthouse steps.

@Ed Hurst This comment was directed to 'Will&#...

2011-06-21T22:18:23.439-06:00

@Ed Hurst
This comment was directed to 'Will' but it just turns my stomach.
The man's final letter, after he was destroyed by a hateful state and decided that self-immolation was better than living as a serf is just so disturbing...but I read it, to be a witness to the suffering. It was written with his heart, with research with his understanding that he was phucked, that his wife and children were also phucked - how that must have pained him.
And you criticize his, what, grammer and style.
Thank you, you enable me to continue to feel that we will get, as citizens of the Second State of Books, exactly what we deserve. One would think, incorrectly, then that people that read blogs such as this have not lost their dignity and compassion, and feeling for their suffering fellow man, woman and child. One would be wrong. There is sucha a lack of compassion I am almost speachless. Excuse me while I barf here.
Excellently written, and accepted testimony, and very very sad.
So many smart people in the world. So few human beings.

@Mike T. As somewhat of a tolerated atheist on th...

2011-06-21T17:23:20.092-06:00

@Mike T.

As somewhat of a tolerated atheist on this forum I have neither gods nor devils, but along those lines I'll share a conversation my youngest son brought up one evening:

Son: Dad, do you believe in god?
Me: No son, I don't but you have to make up your own mind.

Son: Dad, do you believe in Jesus?
Me: Yes, he was a real historical person?

Son: Dad, do you believe in the devil?
Me: Yes son, and I know her name . . .

That said, if satan intervened it wasn't on behalf of a man in a kangaroo family court.

In Male Fide
Sic Semper Tyranis

@Linda Todd Gahrib - there is more to your story t...

2011-06-21T07:32:50.919-06:00

@Linda Todd Gahrib - there is more to your story than you are sharing. How do I know? Because the rate of sole or primary custody going to women in this country is 84% (or higher in a place like ID) and has been relatively constant for 30 years. In this misandrist country a woman pretty much has to light up a crack pipe in a court room to not get the kids, the house, half the assets and a check every month. Maybe your story is accurate, but I'm skeptical.

As well you should be since the only two likely causes are either the husband was the lesser of the two evils (see Keven Federline getting Brittney Spears' kids) or Satan himself intervened on behalf of an abusive father.

I haven't posted on this forum in awhile, thou...

2011-06-20T21:57:05.468-06:00

I haven't posted on this forum in awhile, though still an avid reader of Will's columns. Will, thank you for addressing this topic.

As one who has been through the 'meat grinder' I am willing to state that Mr. Ball accurately summed up the nature of the kangaroo 'family law' courts quite well.

The practice of 'family law' is nothing less than an institutionalized extortion racket that exploits children. It must be abolished as it is corrupt beyond any hope of reform. Any who believe otherwise are either naive, intentionally ignorant and/or feminist apologists.

@Up the Stairs - I considered leaving the country or just disappearing. It was mighty tempting. You just don't do that when you have kids, you endure to the breaking point as Mr. Ball did. It is easy for someone such as yourself who is clearly ignorant of how the system works to armchair quarterback - but you know not of what you speak and you should remain silent.

@Linda Todd Gahrib - there is more to your story than you are sharing. How do I know? Because the rate of sole or primary custody going to women in this country is 84% (or higher in a place like ID) and has been relatively constant for 30 years. In this misandrist country a woman pretty much has to light up a crack pipe in a court room to not get the kids, the house, half the assets and a check every month. Maybe your story is accurate, but I'm skeptical.

Like Mr. Ball, last year I lost my job of 23 yrs. At the time I was paying $20K/yr in child $upport (that is after tax dollars). Fortunately, I knew that if that circumstance arrived what I would be up against. It cost $6K in attorney fees and took nearly four months to get child $upport lowered (and I paid $6K in extortion/c$ during that period). I was fortunate in that I could and did prepare.

My only disagreement with Mr. Ball is his advocacy of arson as it is too indiscriminate and easily spun in the media. As I stated to my attorney, in writing, "if a few attorneys and judges have to be lynched to get these laws changed, I'm ok with that". Will may not appreciate my saying so, but I'm quite in favor of stringing these folks up from the nearest available lamp post.

As Will correctly noted in a piece he did a few years on fathers treatment in the family courts - "there's a reason they have metal detectors in the courthouse" and it isn't those in the criminal courts. It is the kangaroo family courts.

If the kangaroo family courts are not abolished there will be violence and it will be deserved.

In Male Fide
Sic Semper Tyranis

What Mr. Ball endured before he endured his death ...

2011-06-20T18:31:37.077-06:00

What Mr. Ball endured before he endured his death is undeniably wrong. However, choosing the method he chose, to say nothing of killing himself, is just stupid. All he has done has emboldened the government and other observers to simply look at his action and say, "it's a good thing we removed those kids from that nut." He should have just left the country.

Will, you mention Ann Coulter aka "Skeletorin...

2011-06-20T16:23:19.138-06:00

Will, you mention Ann Coulter aka "Skeletorina" as poo pooing Ron Paul. This is so typical of her ilk: beltway "conservatives" who live in their ivory towers high above the fetid Potomac swamp where the gas bags seek ever more inventive ways to kill or enslave us.

Hey, Ann-- do you get the point now? While I real...

2011-06-20T15:56:51.515-06:00

Hey, Ann-- do you get the point now?

While I realize that this is a sarcastic rhetorical question, the answer is, of course not. Neocons (and neoconettes, as in this case) never do. Coulter, were she ever to become aware of Thomas Ball's act, would no doubt have cheered him on, bloodthirsty neoconette that she is, and would probably even have encouraged people to bring marshmallows and hot dogs to the Cheshire County Courthouse steps.

BTW, a big part of Coulter's moronic hostility toward Ron Paul, and toward libertarians in general, is rooted in the fact that the Libertarian Party, at both the state and national level, refused to endorse her as a congressional "libertarian" candidate from Connecticut in, I believe, '04. Thinking that it was her RIGHT to hijack the LP for her own selfish ends (and how dare they see through her paper-thin facade!), she threw a tantrum and has had it out for libertarians ever since.

What a tragedy. I suppose this only reinforces my...

2011-06-20T09:18:19.849-06:00

What a tragedy. I suppose this only reinforces my belief that sailing under the radar screen and having as little contact with any State tentacle is the only way to breath as free as one can. To attack them head-on only emboldens these pencil neck geeks into thinking they have to "do something" in order to correct a situation they themselves have created. They will never see how they've been responsible except by some miracle or having to endure the same. What caught my attention was this tidbit.

"Years later Ball would learn that if his wife hadn't called the police and accused her husband of abuse, she would have been arrested as an accessory"....

Bottom line is that Ball's wife set the wheels in motion. Nobody put a gun to her head and forced her to either call the cops or rat out her spouse with phony abuse charges. She was stupid/conditioned enough to call and then likewise led from her statist nose ring by governmental handlers. Again it's a tragedy all around.