tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post7320775611991727264..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: We Bought The BulletsWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-76089944911467624742010-06-22T03:51:25.201-06:002010-06-22T03:51:25.201-06:00Let's wrap this up with a return to the origin...Let's wrap this up with a return to the original issue of Will's essay:<br /><br />QUOTE: <br /><br />June 18 (Bloomberg) - Sophia Constantinidou works as a teacher in a private school in Athens. She also has a more lucrative job: remaining unmarried. <br /><br />The 52-year-old gets 400 euros ($496) a month from the Greek government, part of her late mother's state pension. Under the current system, Constantinidou qualifies to receive the payment for life as the only surviving child of a deceased civil servant, provided she doesn't tie the knot. <br /><br />"It's not that I didn't want to get married," Constantinidou, whose mother died 20 years ago, said in an interview. "But after I turned 40, I realized I wouldn't be getting married and that thankfully I had this."<br /><br />COMMENT:<br /><br />So, her mother would have retired at age 60, drawn the pension for the rest of her life, say 20 years, died 20 years ago, (so 40 years of payments to date and counting,) and now Sophia will draw it for the rest of HER life too, perhaps a total payout of 70-80 years of pension payments. I wonder if Sophia will ALSO get a pension of her own once she retires from teaching at age 60? Probably so. Two pensions, for Sophia to sit on the beach for another 20-25 years sipping retsina or ouzo. <br /><br />Now one can understand why the German people don't feel inclined to bail out the Greeks. On the other hand, French and German banks are holding so much Greek government debt, (created to give "civil servants" a.k.a. tax leeches like Sophia and her mother lavish perks,) that this is why the EU governments are bailing the Greeks out - as a favor to their own banks. <br /><br />Why should banks be protected from the painful results of bad investment decisions, but not you and me? Just like our government bailing out Goldman Sachs. Meanwhile, the publics in the US and in Europe will have to suffer the pains of a devalued currency, on top of the decline in nominal value of their stock holdings, and on top of the decline in nominal value of their homes. <br /><br />And we moron sheeple continue to sing about "the land of the brave and the home of the free." It seems to me only the bankers, the CEOs, and their bought-and-sold political whores are free in America or elsewhere to do as they please.<br /><br />May the wrath of God fall upon their greasy heads.<br /><br />Lemuel GulliverLemuel Gullivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71814610907743351782010-06-10T08:34:26.638-06:002010-06-10T08:34:26.638-06:00Real Issue Is Talmud--What Does It Tell Jews?
(Apo...Real Issue Is Talmud--What Does It Tell Jews?<br />(Apollonian, 10 Jun 10)<br /><br />Hey anon at 12:10 pm above, I'm proud and forthright anti-semite (anti-Talmud, as New Testament [NT] Gosp. MARK 7:1-13 and MATT 15:3-9)--a real Christian.<br /><br />And the real issue is what ur Talmud is all about (but see RevisionistHistory.org and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo)--anti-human, anti-Christ, anti-reason, etc. U Jews say God worships u, that God is ur slave.<br /><br />CONCLUSION: Thus Jews worship lies and lying, which lies then justify all their crimes against humanity. So anyway, and again, the real issue is ur filthy Talmud--why wouldn't people hate u murdering psychopaths who pretend u're "God's chosen"? Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonianapollonianhttp://www.NewNation.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37524497945494956482010-06-10T00:05:31.039-06:002010-06-10T00:05:31.039-06:00You're a work of art, Anonymous. A 7 month ol...You're a work of art, Anonymous. A 7 month old has just died in Gaza because the loving Israelis wouldn't let the parents take their son out of their "paradise" for medical reasons because the hospitals are depleted. Ahhhh.... You can feel the love Israelis have for their fellow man but the abject hate they have for everyone else. Anti Semitic you say? Nope! I love Jews, Arabs, even Persians... you name it. What I hate is abject goose-stepping nationalists masked as Zionism or Patriotism. Where they wear their flags and can't see the lone tree of truth for the forest of lies with which they lovingly surround themselves.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-74040931700400615182010-06-09T22:34:35.246-06:002010-06-09T22:34:35.246-06:00Anon, do you call everyone who thinks Obama is a l...Anon, do you call everyone who thinks Obama is a lousy president "a racist"?DRSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-33889957312980279172010-06-09T19:30:49.150-06:002010-06-09T19:30:49.150-06:00Is Anonymous @ 12:19 perchance Lamont Cranston, th...Is Anonymous @ 12:19 perchance Lamont Cranston, the intrepid "Shadow," blessed by some supernal gift to know the hearts of men? Apparently <i>he</i> thinks so. <br /><br />Assuming the questions posed by Mr. Cranston are sincere, I will answer them candidly: Anyone and everyone is welcome to express his opinion here. <br /><br />I won't permit spam and I won't countenance deliberate blasphemy. Apart from that, there are no restrictions.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60544728689549743352010-06-09T12:10:26.696-06:002010-06-09T12:10:26.696-06:00Now that the truthout folks have found comfort and...Now that the truthout folks have found comfort and a sympathetic ear here, who could we expect to show up next?<br /><br />Stormfront? The Klan?<br /><br />The Jew-Hate is palpable here.<br /><br />Question: If Israel ceded all its territory save for a 4 square block section of Tel Aviv, would you Jew-Haters be happy then?<br /><br />You know the answer in your hearts. You just can't wait to fire your ovens again, can you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45569700897004667972010-06-09T10:52:54.942-06:002010-06-09T10:52:54.942-06:00Right to enforce blockade? All the way out to 75 ...Right to enforce blockade? All the way out to 75 miles at sea and then pump four bullets into a teens head? <br /><br />As I understand it the Turkish flagged ship, or any nations ship for that matter, is their territory while at sea, out of any other nations waters, and what Israel did was attack Turkish territory. Essentially an act of war! Because if you can, with impunity, attack a ship at sea, out of territorial waters, then you can attack any ship at any time anywhere in the world and justify ones murderous acts as being "self defense". <br /><br />And the passengers, in international waters, and being under the flag of said ship, were fully within their right to self defense up to and even attacking and killing all unwelcome boarders. <br /><br />Notice how the cowardly Israelis used the cover of darkness to hide what they were doing and then confiscated the press cameras in order to control the propaganda. What's to "hide" if you're some sort of open and free society? <br /><br />Once the passengers were forced into detention, and notice how the Israelis moved the ship to an alternate port to buy them more time to cover up, they were subsequently beaten by these "allies". These stalwart ubermensch of justice and democracy who, when they aren't peeing in their pants when facing people who rightfully hate their guts, are engaging in murder. <br /><br />An "ally" you say? A "democracy" you say? Time for you to put your crack pipe down and wake up. <br /><br />I look forward to the Turkish Prime Minister actually manning one of these ships, putting action to words, while under Turkish naval escort, and seeing if the Israelis will go forward with their threats or do a collective socialist dump in their shorts.MoThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13996714804361467430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-82543994239275921832010-06-09T10:22:09.573-06:002010-06-09T10:22:09.573-06:00Those of you attempting to reason with demagogues ...Those of you attempting to reason with demagogues like "deinalator" are wasting your time. The key sentence in all his rants is this:<br /><br />"I support Israel absolutely and unconditionally."<br /><br />This is a unequivocal assertion that the "denialator" is beyond reason. He places no conditions on his allegiance other than his perception that he is part of the tribe. Get it? Pick your poison --the Israelis could stage televised mass child rape, torture, and child murder; they could send hit teams to the US and kidnap, torture, and rape American children --sell them as sex slaves; they could conduct an extermination program of Christian women; they could exterminate his own family --and he would still support Israel because his support is without conditions.<br /><br />The "denialators" of the world are the reason Statist tyrannies like Nazism, Stalinism, and Moaism exist --they don't have morals, they have sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86313823084586629492010-06-08T17:28:11.080-06:002010-06-08T17:28:11.080-06:00While I do agree with most of what you say, and I ...While I do agree with most of what you say, and I am a firm believer in to each his own, I do strongly support Israel -- which is as close to a true democratic ally that we'll have over there. I think that they have every right to blockade Gaza in order to protect their own security interests, though I do agree with the poster that perhaps the best (and certainly most libertarian)action would be the complete and inaction across the international military spectrum. Lord knows we have enough problems at home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6045425281151425612010-06-08T16:49:50.137-06:002010-06-08T16:49:50.137-06:00Yah, Paul DeLare, I didn't catch that. Hezboll...Yah, Paul DeLare, I didn't catch that. Hezbollah made NO "terrorists attacks" against the I(A)F ["Israeli Aggression Force(s)"] at that time. There were allegations of Hezbollah supposedly having "kidnapped" Israeli troops caught on their territory, which the Israeli government, and perhaps Grigg, calls "terrorist attacks"; but, since the Israeli troops had absolutely no legitimate right to be in Lebanon, but were there as part of military aggression and (an) act(s) of war against Lebanon, and Hezbollah is the recognized, accepted military force for and by the Lebanese government, Hezbollah was perfectly within their rights under the laws of war and/or defense of their sovereign nation to detain and imprison the Israeli troops. Therefore, it was NOT kidnapping OR a "terrorist attack"!<br /><br />Again it's magical Israeli propaganda thinking and rationalization(s), that when Israel is very clearly the aggressor, invading another sovereign nation's territory, Israel is supposedly innocent. And, because Hezbollah is considered to be a terrorist organization, and was militarily defending Lebanon, that defense was supposedly a terrorist act; and, therefore, Israel was allegedly free to invade Lebanon's sovereign territory and kill people with impunity and without any guilt whatsoever. Yah, right!<br /><br />And, in addition, Lebanon through Hezbollah supposedly had no right(s) to detain and imprison the aggressors and invaders, or militarily defend themselves from them, shooting back and killing them! Geez, the Israeli government and military will stop at nothing, and no rationalization or so-called "justification", no matter how ridiculous and absurd, is beyond their extremely arrogant and lawless temerity to use!<br /><br />So, either (I hope) Grigg simply mis-spoke, or he believed the lies of the corporate media at the time.Wolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04068990452249589426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8192290972827630522010-06-08T14:13:34.943-06:002010-06-08T14:13:34.943-06:00The problem with ending support for Israel is that...The problem with ending support for Israel is that in today's world, it would be seen as support for their enemies. A better move would be to end foreign support-militarily-period. Let us not be directly involved with the business of other countries, but let it be known that we will come to the aid of our friends if asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31048375274924870892010-06-08T14:07:02.805-06:002010-06-08T14:07:02.805-06:00So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree ...So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree it should roll over and die.<br />"Israel simply doesn't have the means, let alone the moral mandate, to re-arrange the map of the Middle East to suit the interests of its ruling elite, and we shouldn't indulge fantasies of that sort on the part of that elite."<br /><br /> I didn't mean to suggest that Israel or the US should take a chunk out of some other part of the middle east for a palestinian state-The Arab states WOULD do this if they really cared about the plight of the palestinians-as anything other than an example to the world of Israel's poor treatment of it's neighbors. Israel absorbed the Jews who fled Arab countries, but Arab countries mostly refused to take the palestinians. I think Israel's treatment of a people who attacks them on a daily or hourly basis shows amazing restraint. And they are punished for it everyday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-3516982136306082902010-06-08T12:29:00.077-06:002010-06-08T12:29:00.077-06:00Paid for that:
http://www.ussliberty.org/index2.ht...Paid for that:<br />http://www.ussliberty.org/index2.html<br /><br />Very costly in human life and in environmental destruction and in taxpayer dollars.<br />War on Iraq: Not oil but Israel<br />http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_oilwar.htm<br /><br />The financial costs, in part, of the "Special Relationship"<br />http://www.wrmea.com/archives/june2003/0306020.html<br /><br />Justin's latest:<br />http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/06/06/our-enemies-the-israelis/<br /><br /><i>Those who do not fear any punishment will misbehave.</i>5-Pillar Scribehttp://www.ifamericansknew.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19685221236389305162010-06-08T09:34:10.377-06:002010-06-08T09:34:10.377-06:00Grigg gets it wrong here:
"During the summer...Grigg gets it wrong here:<br /><br />"During the summer of 2006, Israeli troops invaded Lebanon following <b>terrorist attacks</b> by Hezbollah."<br /><br />Terrorist attacks? Against the already-invading IDF?<br /><br /><a href="http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/israeli_solders.html" rel="nofollow">Uh, no.</a>Paul DeLairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58706832883829887372010-06-08T02:43:15.099-06:002010-06-08T02:43:15.099-06:00Enough about what Israel should do. They're do...Enough about what Israel should do. They're doing it: Mass imprisonment, slaughter, murder, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc.<br /><br />What should the Palestinians do? Just rollover and play dead? What do you suppose would happen if they stopped defending themselves as little as they are able to do, and thus let their guard down?: They did let their guard down, and look at where that got them; into an apartheid open-air prison far worse than even South Africa, which was extremely bad enough, with military incursions and mass-murder far worse than the Afrikaners inflicted on the "Kaffers" (Afrikaner derogoatory and racist term for black South Africans, much like "nigger" in the West).<br /><br />As far as Israel is concerned, all "Ragheads" [Palestinians, "Arabs" and Persians (Iranians)], and all Goy(im) [Gentiles or non-Jews] should and must, eventually, die; plain and "simple". So, if others wish the same for them, they're "even", on that one score or point at least. On every other point or score, the extremely disproportionate use of force that the Israeli government and military use against Palestine, Lebanon and Syria, etc., is MUCH worse than ANYTHING the defenders against the extreme Israeli aggression ("the supreme international crime"), which said defenders have every right and duty under international law to do just that, defend themselves, have EVER been able use against Israel.Wolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04068990452249589426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-43926041025005261372010-06-08T02:23:24.398-06:002010-06-08T02:23:24.398-06:00Given the level of details in Denialator's com...Given the level of details in Denialator's comments, it's probable that he's an Israeli. Given the poorness of his informations and arguments, I suspect he's doing actively propaganda. He wrote:<br /><br />"The Zionist historical record needs to be corrected: the economic foundation of the State of Israel is not based on socialism."<br /><br />In fact, the economic foundation of Israel is the land theft of lands that belonged to the Palestinians. He forgot to tell that the Zionists only bought about 6% of the lands that belong to Israel, the rest was taken from the Palestinians. But even those 6% may be disputed as in many cases the property papers may have been falsified and the subsequent expelling of Palestinian peasants from the lands where they lived violated traditional rights. As Haaretz reported, today a large part of the settlements that the Israelis built in the West Bank have been built on lands that belong privately to individual Palestinians.<br /><br />The information given above in another comment about the ancient history of Palestine is considered to be a myth since Shlomo Sand's book "The Invention of the Jewish People". The ancient Hebrews were probably today's Palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-47009594850274083342010-06-07T18:56:01.606-06:002010-06-07T18:56:01.606-06:00So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree ...<i>So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree it should roll over and die.</i><br /><br />Israel's existence is hardly that precarious. But even if it were -- no, make that <i>especially</i> if it were -- that country can ill afford to be cultivating problems of the sort from which terrorism is the unavoidable harvest. This isn't good for either Israelis or Palestinians, or anybody else who gets sucked into this morass. <br /><br />Israel simply doesn't have the means, let alone the moral mandate, to re-arrange the map of the Middle East to suit the interests of its ruling elite, and we shouldn't indulge fantasies of that sort on the part of that elite. Nor should we be funding anybody else in that region. The best thing we could do in the interests of peace would be to cut off all foreign aid and -- apart from encouraging private commerce -- but the hell out.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58160792828177818822010-06-07T17:02:18.688-06:002010-06-07T17:02:18.688-06:00So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree...So what should Israel do? Most here seem to agree it should roll over and die. Make no mistake, that is what would happen if they relaxed their vigilance. When you use civilians and children as shields, any blood spilt of their's covers mostly your hands. The Palestinians are descendants of Arabs who left Israel to give the Arab armies free run to kill everyone in Israel. They were to receive their old property back along with that of all the dead Jews. Kind of grisly opportunists. Should there be a Palestinian state? Absolutely. Just carve a chunk out of Irag, Saudi Arabia, or what have you and let them all go there. The Israelis have put up with their crap long enough. And as for trying to run an Israeli blockade? People in this part of the world have had centuries to learn not to mess with the Israelis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-71129031581208302902010-06-07T14:13:22.703-06:002010-06-07T14:13:22.703-06:00(I see Will's blog isn't immune from the s...(I see Will's blog isn't immune from the same Zionist trolls who have been desperately skulking about the blogosphere in the wake of this atrocity)<br /><br />@Anon 11:20:<br /><br /><i>Hamas can declare peace any time they want. Israel can't.</i><br /><br />Whatever you're smoking, I want some. You might as well have said "The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto, having risen up in revolt against their Nazi captors, can declare peace any time they want. Their Nazi captors, always the victims of angry Jewish violence, can't."<br /><br /><i>The Palestinian people time and time again choose war rather than peace.</i><br /><br />Well, let's see now. I'm a Palestinian who lives in a squalid, barren, arid, open-air prison camp that has been my "home", as well as my father's and grandfather's "home" ever since the Jews kicked us off of our ancestral land nearly six and a half decades ago. Apparently shocked --SHOCKED!-- that we would object to their violent criminal deprivation of our property, rights, and human dignity (an objection that we express with violence because no other civilized form of protest seems to register with the Jewish criminals), the Jews add insult to injury by tormenting us in our open-air prison with economic sanctions, military invasions and occupation, mass arrests, beatings, and murder. And we're supposed to choose "peace" as a response to this? Again, let me have a hit from that pipe you've got there.<br /><br /><i>Israel should be commended for defending herself in the most ethical manner possible. No other county would put up with what Israel does.</i> <br /><br />Mass murder, piracy, and theft = "ethical?" That seems to be a confession that an increasing number of Israel-firsters are making of late, and I must say that I appreciate the candor, belated as it is. <br /><br />I must have a "modern" translation of the Hebrew Torah, but I've been unable to find any such references that a reasonable person could equate with the word "ethical," unless the Hebrew equivalent of that word carries a meaning radically different than that of every other known language.<br /><br />Again, I'm picturing the Waffen SS General commanding the SS troops used to suppress the Warsaw Ghetto uprising making statements about "defending" Germany from the hordes of murderous Jews they thought they had managed to safely contain, and that no other country would have put up with such an uprising, Germany having murdered the ghetto Jews only once, with machine gun fire, whereas "other nations" (the equally anti-Semetic Stalinist USSR, maybe?) would have burned them alive and in stages.<br /><br />Again, put me in touch with your dealer. He's gotten his hands on some POWERFUL product!liberranterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30824597501824420332010-06-07T12:20:51.218-06:002010-06-07T12:20:51.218-06:00Hamas can declare peace any time they want. Israel...Hamas can declare peace any time they want. Israel can't. The Palestinian people time and time again choose war rather than peace. Israel should be commended for defending herself in the most ethical manner possible. No other county would put up with what Israel does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29173409573011331312010-06-07T11:47:12.035-06:002010-06-07T11:47:12.035-06:00"The process is called "urbanization&quo..."The process is called "urbanization" and had these investment companies not been as committed to building up Eretz Yisrael as they were, it is doubtful if the national economy would have ever developed to the level at which it is able to support millions of residents."<br /><br /><br />In fact, the problem is also that Israel, the state cannot support itself even by parasiting on its "citizenry." In fact, it can barely survive WITH excessive cash infusions from wealthy jews and the american and british governments, which have fleeced said cash through taxation and central bank inflation. That the central banks were largely founded by jews helps to fuel the hatred some will continue to feel. That those calling themselves Christians blindly defend such organizations to the death, speaks highly for my own chances to get into heaven as a mostly agnostic observer. Apparently, I'm more consistent and less hypocritical than they are. That heartens me. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-42915624671546860322010-06-07T08:36:41.500-06:002010-06-07T08:36:41.500-06:00I didn't say "the economic foundation of ...I didn't say "the economic foundation of the State of Israel." Today, right now, Israel is a socialist country, not unlike most others. Socialized military service, socialized medicine, and on and on. I'm not an expert on Israel, mostly because I just don't care, but it seems funny to talk about what Israel stands for when it appears they stand for nothing different than other parasitic predator states stand for.<br /><br />Further more, Israel is all twelve tribes, and the only one staking claim to the geographic area known as Israel is Judah (and supposedly half of Benjamin). It seems rather presumptuous to claim to be Israel when you're only Judah.<br /><br />Anyway, the final point Grigg makes is that regardless of any rightness or wrongness on any party's part, it isn't just to confiscate my property to support, uphold, defend, or otherwise enable any action or program of any foreign entity. In short, all belligerent parties can go to hell for all I care.Isaachttp://www.thestanfielddoctrine.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38128054383655469622010-06-07T07:01:53.663-06:002010-06-07T07:01:53.663-06:00denialator said...
Israel is completely withi...denialator said...<br /><br /> Israel is completely within its legal rights...<br /><br />What you really mean when you say "legal rights" this is: Arbitrary rules drawn up by those who control the big guns and have demonstrated an historical willingness to use them in the slaughter of thousands (yea, even millions) of innocents to impose their will.<br /><br />Those rules most often do not equate to moral behavior (as they certainly do not in this case), though you use them as moral props for all your arguments.Dean Mayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14577490186663135256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-35902671968668274622010-06-07T05:56:29.071-06:002010-06-07T05:56:29.071-06:00israel is illegitimate
http://www.redress.cc/pales...israel is illegitimate<br />http://www.redress.cc/palestine/cking20100606Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-18786239483609370042010-06-07T05:37:50.163-06:002010-06-07T05:37:50.163-06:00Excellent article, Will! Right-on and very well pu...Excellent article, Will! Right-on and very well put on all counts (or all points that you made and/or subject matter you addressed so eloquently)! I posted links to it in three articles on TruthOut.org regarding this and/or these issues. I suggest you submit this article to TruthOut.org for direct publication.Wolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04068990452249589426noreply@blogger.com