Comments on Pro Libertate: The Palace Prophets

I read this on 1/02/12 after a Facebook re-posting...

2012-01-02T11:40:30.299-07:00

I read this on 1/02/12 after a Facebook re-posting of it by Mr. Grigg. I am surprised that there is no mention of the then VERY contemporary examples of the infamous Pat Robertson endorsement of Gulianni, Fundy Bob Jones Univ cozying up to flip flopping Mormon Romney earlier in late '07 and who can forget Huckaboob?

Not a good record for the big names. Maybe that is why we never read of para-church ministries in Scripture.

An acquaintance of mine who told me something fits...

2008-07-26T19:22:00.000-06:00

An acquaintance of mine who told me something fits the topic of this discussion. He considers himself a secular humanist/socialist (but not fully socialist). Since I am a Christian, our discussions help me to understand my faith in a meaningful way. He asked me why Christians flock to the Republican Party. In addition, he told me that the Republican Party treats the Christian Church like a prostitute. They buy a few favors, treat you nicely for a short time, and then they kick you back in the gutter. They promise you everything, but they deliver you nothing. This secular humanist asked me why Christians let this happen. I told him I did not know the answer to that question. It is sad, that we have lost our moral compass and the fortitude to stand up for what is right and not embrace the popular opinions, polls, and phony prophets of the times.

Will, I've seen so many pictures of kids maimed o...

2008-07-26T02:04:00.000-06:00

Will, I've seen so many pictures of kids maimed or killed in Iraq to make me numb. To the media and most Americans it's as though it has never happened. And to the "Prez", his wannabees and the like.... they couldn't care less.

Looks like it has to come home to roost before the synapses start firing and people wake up. Still, I harbor little hope that any sense may seep into their noggins. Seeing as they're glued to the "idiot box" and taking orders accordingly.

Mr.Grigg,Thank you for all the work youput into th...

2008-07-25T03:41:00.000-06:00

Mr.Grigg,
Thank you for all the work you
put into these articles and the
blog posts. It is a gift and a
blessing.
Thanks.

Anonymous -- I'm sorry your comment apparently dis...

2008-07-24T23:19:00.000-06:00

Anonymous -- I'm sorry your comment apparently disappeared en route. And please forgive my snarkiness; I had a REALLY busy day, and as a result got a mite testy.

Could you send your earlier comment again?

BTW, I am COMPLETELY serious about the spam problem. The time or two I disabled the moderating feature I was IMMEDIATELY deluged with the stuff.

Just checking. Having left a comment some time ago...

2008-07-24T14:41:00.000-06:00

Just checking. Having left a comment some time ago (that did not contain profanity) and having it not appear, I wondered if censorship was being practiced. Further, I had no knowledge of who monitors this blog. Mea culpa.

Mr. Anonymous, are you somehow monitoring the pre-...

2008-07-24T11:30:00.000-06:00

Mr. Anonymous, are you somehow monitoring the pre-posted comments I receive via e-mail? If not, how do you purport to know that I'm "censoring" them?

My policy has always been to post all comments directed at this blog, apart from a) spam (which quickly fills up the threads if I don't moderate them), or b)overt, unnecessary vulgarity, particularly profanity involving the Name of the Deity.

Those who post comments here are perfectly free to malign, upbraid, contradict, execrate, vilify, or otherwise assail me or my opinions as they see fit, assuming that they possess sufficient literary ability to do so within the very generous guidelines described above.

That policy is as American as a hot dog consumed at a baseball park in Iowa on the Fourth of July.

Moderator: I'm sorry to see you are censoring.Does...

2008-07-24T08:10:00.000-06:00

Moderator: I'm sorry to see you are censoring.Doesn't seem very American to me.

Thanks

2008-07-24T00:09:00.000-06:00

Thanks

will,you know, that read better than the NIV! ......

2008-07-23T22:42:00.000-06:00

will,

you know, that read better than the NIV! ...and was probably more accurate!!! :-)

rick

One of the few truism's to come from Marx is that ...

2008-07-23T22:30:00.000-06:00

One of the few truism's to come from Marx is that 'religion is the opiate of the masses'. It has been my observation that those who truly follow the ideals of their supposed religious beliefs are generally anonymous as their piety is a private matter, those who wear it on their sleeves are typically dangerous hypocrites - and so it has been through all of recorded history (or at least that portion that I have read).

Why would anyone be surprised that it has happened again?

The sorry state that this country is in today is the result of mass group-think and the thumping hypocrites anointed George the Lesser as their standard bearer - twice - and bear a great deal of shame for having done so.

Is it any wonder that those such as myself view ism's/anity's as the bane of human existence in spite of the good people that follow them?

Sic Semper Tyrannis

Mr.Grigg,Thank you for this post.Yes, Dobson is a ...

2008-07-23T21:45:00.000-06:00

Mr.Grigg,
Thank you for this post.

Yes, Dobson is a disgrace and I
cringe to think of the price he
will one day pay for his
duplicity in the destruction of the
very Church he proclaims to love.

The last broadcast of FOTF I
listend to (the very last I will
ever listen to) was
after the White House meeting you
referred to. Dobson stated on
the air that the meeting
was secret and he couldn't tell the
listeners what was spoken. I was
flabergasted and enlightened in the
same moment.
This is a driect contradiction of
our Lord Jesus Christ who stated
flatly, "I have spoken nothing in
secret."

His children act accordingly.

Thanks again for the article.

Thanks for republishing "The Palace Prophets".I fi...

2008-07-23T21:34:00.000-06:00

Thanks for republishing "The Palace Prophets".

I find it interesting that the article you wrote about "Medical Cannibalism" that Bush and Dobson assented to is dated 9-10-2001.

Num.35

[33] So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

The secular Republican establishment keeps calling...

2008-07-23T20:14:00.000-06:00

The secular Republican establishment keeps calling Dr. Dobson's bluff and he keeps blinking. Each time he does it, the GOP establishment moves further away from his desired policies and displays even more contempt for Christian right leaders and voters. And why not, if they let themselves be so abused?

I will say on Jim Dobson's behalf that at least he tries to bluff them, much of the rest of the Christian right has sold out so thoroughly that they can't even manage a bluff of protest. I perceive they are now falling under judgment in their ministries- for it is written that judgment begins with the House of God.

God will raise up other Micaiahs in His own time. As for the palace prophets, I feel like at least one of them must have had doubts about towing the party line. One of them was the last to reluctantly agree to tow it. Perhaps they had misgivings, but in the end they went with the wishes of the king. Does James Dobson now seek the role of that last reluctant false prophet?

We should not pour contempt on Dr. Dobson, but respect and pray for him. It is clear he has struggled over this. He is right on the line from being the most reluctant palace prophet to being the most reluctant Godly prophet. That line is not thin, it is as wide as the chasm between heaven and hell, and I pray he chooses God's will in it.

Will, a very fitting description of today's evange...

2008-07-23T10:42:00.000-06:00

Will, a very fitting description of today's evangelical "leaders".

One other item: unless I have missed something, every time Israel allies herself with and depends on another nation militarily, they are defeated and so is the nation that Israel depended on. America should not defend Israel militarily and Christians need to realize that God is the one who defends Israel. We should not presume that we are his agents for her defense.

Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity. Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together. For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof. As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it. Isaiah 31:1-5

also, in response to the Tom Paine quote at Mr Gri...

2008-07-23T08:14:00.000-06:00

also, in response to the Tom Paine quote at Mr Grigg's Women and Children Last (btw Dixie Dog I have replied to your reply, in brief & solely focused on yr proposal vis a vis how we organise) from a female colleague, also based in the UK:

"In saying:

'the works of God in the creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea - that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness.

"The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the creation claims that God is unchangeable,'

Payne shows a remarkeable similarity with certain passages in the Qur'an that refer to harmony in nature as evidence for God's existence and consistency, for example:

36:38-40; And [they have a sign in] the sun: it runs in an orbit of its own [19] [and] that is laid down by the will of the Almighty, the All-Knowing; and [in] the moon, for which We have determined phases [which it must traverse] till it becomes like an old date-stalk, dried-up and curved: and] neither may the sun overtake the moon, nor can the night usurp the time of day, [21] since all of them float through space [in accordance with Our laws].

See also 55:5 [At His behest] the sun and the moon run their appointed courses; the plants and the trees submit to his designs.

I doubt Payne ever actually read the Qur'an, since few translations were available at that time, but if he had, he might have found it closer to his own rationalist deism than he would have expected"

Best wishes & thanks again for tasty blog

Anon111

ps thanks for another interesting post. btw where ...

2008-07-23T08:10:00.000-06:00

ps thanks for another interesting post. btw where you say “Hey, I'm not the guy you're looking for!” Ahab yelped do you not mean the other guy, jehosephat or whatever his name is? or did i muddle the story up in my mind

111

IMO The true prophets are those that rally the fai...

2008-07-23T05:17:00.000-06:00

IMO The true prophets are those that rally the faithful at ground level - persons of whatever religious stripe or none, persons of universal goodwill, those whose minds are fixed upon Natural Justice above all, & therefore those who concentrate our minds on how to go about developing a fundamentally different, and socially just way of organising human society for rich and poor alike to that which currently prevails.

And who therefore call those self-same people to start building new, independent, self-governing social/spiritual/economic *non-sectarian* communities based on the universal principles of mutual human support, direct democratic sovereignty over shared geography, liberty of 'the below' in common cause (& not 'the above' / palace prophets), shared stewardship of the locality we inhabit, and a broad, commonsense human spirituality (of love toward all brethren). Without much fuss, God is in the Great I Am, and this is enough to remember when we confront one another's differences, and work through them, & we don't need any more public religion than that!

For revolutionary sovereignty we need all comers in the area to get together, and not just one religious group, and this is of fundamental importance, IMO.

All: rich, poor, man, woman and even child, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Atheist or other, ALL must be able to take part equally in decision making about the area. No more tricks, private meetings behind church doors. ALL must decide together, patiently and delibertatively how to spend shared revenue from the area they share, how to work the assets in common, how to be a team for the greater good of all. In solidarity with each other at the human, neighbourhood level but also with others doing the same elsewhere. A world in a community and a world community of believeres in a just order.

So that we can have genuine egalite, fraternite and not just liberte for the rich (whether 'hard working' or no)

At the same time the lOve of Jesus' (I count myself among you, lovers of Jesus, for as a Muslim believer how can I not?) and especially his last days before state execution can be simply, subtly honoured (as IMO he would want it) by food sharing and silence worship/contemplation while eating + before and after each political meeting

(to remember the mystic body of God/the mystery of Creation that embues all things!)

Love and Peas
Anon111

"Regarding every matter of public consequence, Joh...

2008-07-23T05:03:00.000-06:00

"Regarding every matter of public consequence, John McCain and Barack Obama are entirely fungible. They are both ... devoted to enhancing the Welfare/Warfare/Homeland Security State."

Word. Although smashing the color bar which has reserved the presidency for white males would be a worthy advancement, Barack Obama already has convinced me that he's unfit to serve:

1. In a meeting with Cleveland, Ohio Jewish leaders, Obama said there are thirty, forty or fifty thousand America-hating militants who have to be tracked down and killed by the U.S. military. He effectively endorsed Bush's policy of executive-ordered summary executions.

2. After promising last year to filibuster the telecoms bill which provided criminal immunity for Bush's confessed felony violations of the FISA Act, this month Obama voted for cloture (i.e., to break the filibuster) and for the bill. This is more "professional courtesy" of the sort that Nancy Putalosi extended by taking impeachment off the table.

3. Obama's simplistic "Iraq bad war; Afghanistan good war" riff proves that he has been hopelessly co-opted by the warfare state. Moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan guarantees another four years of a costly, lethal, debilitating quagmire in a distant hellhole which constitutes no threat to the U.S.

By casting himself in Lyndon Johnson's career-wrecking role of war president (or worse, the "commander in chief" role pioneered by the drunken AWOL reservist Bush) in a hopeless guerrilla conflict, Obama's presidency is over before he's even nominated. He's a one-termer.

Barack Obama, I hereby crown you CAESAR OBAMA, Viceroy of Vietghanistan. Like Ahab, you're badly advised by your war-mongering rabble of Beltway insiders. If you had listened to Rev. Wright -- your Micaiah -- you coulda been a contender, son.