Comments on Pro Libertate: The Persecution of Jeremy Hill (Updated, 9/8)

to liberanter, i think the cops' version of s...

2011-09-08T13:59:04.802-06:00

to liberanter,

i think the cops' version of shoot, shovel, and shut up is "shoot, lie, and cover up."

rick

And..... they got their money.

2011-09-08T11:43:54.794-06:00

And..... they got their money.

Will: Concerning your expanded 9/8 update posted ...

2011-09-08T10:39:53.494-06:00

Will:

Concerning your expanded 9/8 update posted on the LRC Blog, the posturing of Butch Otter (a pathetic "tough guy" name for such an obvious castrato) is the default among "Conservative Republican" governors and is all that is ever required of any of them. There is a rather obvious reason for this.

"Conservative Republican" votards mirror the "leadership" of the Amerikan Hezballah ("Party of God") in that none of them actually value, all posturing aside, the ideas to which they pay constant lip service. To do so, putting their money where their mouths are, would require accepting responsibility for their own lives and destinies, respecting the property and lives of others, and having to actually earn their living in a free and competitive marketplace free of handouts from the State. The very thought of ANY of those things coming to pass turns the stomachs of right-wing fascists every bit as much it does those of left-wing Marxists, whether they are holders of power and privilege or mere serfs. But in order to keep up the fog of self-delusion, the pseudo-libertarian rhetoric must be kept flowing, even with the gulf between words and deeds is too obvious for even the densest among us to miss. Given this, Otter is just doing his job. Were he to have matched Tea Party election rhetoric with actual deeds, the disruption of the status quo would have been immediately felt and would have caused horrendous pain, leading to calls for Otter's political lynching from the very throngs of marching morons who voted him into office.

The sad fact is that the majority of Idahoans (those who are regular contributors to this blog notwithstanding) are just like the sheeple majority everywhere else in the Empire: when push comes to shove, they want security over liberty, never mind the costs in money and freedom.

I don't agree with the Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up....

2011-09-08T06:19:49.708-06:00

I don't agree with the Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up.

Why waste the pelt and all that meat? Might as well get a rug and feed the hungry.

zach, you're right: If a federal prosecutor ge...

2011-09-06T11:46:36.256-06:00

zach, you're right: If a federal prosecutor gets this case before a jury, Hill's chances will be plotted somewhere between the coordinates "slim" and "none."

You're also right that if the Feds continue their aggression against Hill, lawful defensive violence is likely to result.

You say he won't be going to prison, but they&...

2011-09-06T11:23:53.887-06:00

You say he won't be going to prison, but they'll have a jury who would gladly send a puppy to the gas chamber. Of course, if it were me or my family in this situation, I think violence would very much be called for, if the feds pushed the issue.

If the totality of the evidence really is what has...

2011-09-06T07:53:08.170-06:00

If the totality of the evidence really is what has been publically presented, I can't imagine what is going through the mind of the prosecutor in this case. It is not only a loser, it is an infamous type of loser case and will be a black mark on his record in his senate run (and believe me, all prosecutors, whether they admit it or not think of themselves as will-be- senators/govenors/presidents etc. LMAO).

SSS is really the only practical option if an average guy acting honorably will almost certainly be bankrupted by the government trying to prove himself innocent.

Justice this is not.

As a native Idahoan, I can sympathize with the S^3...

2011-09-05T21:20:19.707-06:00

As a native Idahoan, I can sympathize with the S^3 crowd (shoot, shovel and shut up). But, as an avid bowhunter I will say that for the most part Idaho Fish and Game assessed this situation correctly - and were willing to dismiss it as an appropriate response. Unfortunately, it climbed the bureau-rat ladder to the fed level to folks who have never experienced wolves howling in the night or a bear walking into camp. Just a couple years ago a wolf was hit on hwy 95 just a few miles north of where Will is at and I'm sure they are closer than most people who live here realize (esp North Ender's). It changes your perspectives a bit IMNSHO.

So, in a way, Mr. Hill actually did us a favor by reporting a human/griz confrontation. Without documented evidence of such encounters, the ruling elite would never have the 'statistics' they seem to want to rule the world by. He made the choice I would have in his situation though.

As for Butch ("really it's just Jack in my cope ossifer') Otter, the dude is a fed teat sucking pig. If he hadn't been married to Jack's daughter at the time he wouldn't have gotten a slap on the wrist for his DUI.

Just my $0.02

In Male Fide
Sic Semper Tyranis

I guess the main thrust of this article, looking b...

2011-09-05T06:22:17.554-06:00

I guess the main thrust of this article, looking back at other posts, is the complete impunity 'officer-humans' dispatch 'thereatening bear-humans'.

The badgeless human protects his property and reports acc. to the law - the badged humans blast whomever they deem to be of 'mundane' enough status.

I believe the crux of this case lies in the fact that the image of a gizzly bearing down on ones family and home resembles too much a SWAT-team applying the law and as such officials wished to nip this visual anomaly in the bud, and jolly far-sighted of them it proves.

We'll soon see if the heartless Hill has a contract with a Chinese Medicine outlet .

cheers

To the "shoot, shovel, and shutup" folks...

2011-09-04T09:33:51.445-06:00

To the "shoot, shovel, and shutup" folks. I guess you wouldn't mind if the cops did that too, huh?

You obviously don't read the news and obviously haven't read anything else Will has posted here over the past several years. Had you done either, you'd know that cops do some varient of "shoot, shovel, and shut up" all the time, as a matter of routine.

I always find it amusing that when there is an art...

2011-09-04T07:48:19.456-06:00

I always find it amusing that when there is an article about the killing of Wolves, Grizzly Bears, etc, the Anon (troll) commenter's, that obviously do not live in the Rocky Mountain Region, seem to come out from under their rocks and start postulating about the evils of defending oneself and family from said predators. Humans do not equate to animals. God made man in his image, and He gave man dominion over the animals

I would actually challenge these nefarious morons, to come out here and see what it is like living under the tyranny of the Forest Circus, Fish and Wildlife Service, the Federal court System, and the other bottom feeders, such as Friends of Wildlife and other morons that support the UN's Re-Wilding project and Agenda 21.

We live here, you do not. Just because that most of you live in planned communities that have little of no wildlife within a days drive (in your Prius or other eco-friendly vehicle), you have no idea what the real world is all about.

So do us all a favor, stay where you are, and let those of us out here manage our own affairs. We do not need you to tell us how to manage our own lives and resources.

We have had enough of your pompous postulating.

Bob
III

Just curious: Who is the DA in Boundary County no...

2011-09-03T21:53:40.568-06:00

Just curious: Who is the DA in Boundary County now? Can the DA file charges against herr Horiuchi? Could a fund be set up to assist Boundary County is this endeavor?

to anon @ 1822, question... would you shoot your...

2011-09-03T19:14:36.002-06:00

to anon @ 1822,

question...

would you shoot your son to save a bear?

also, it would be nice if you were to reveal who you are. i'm not trying to point you out...i just want to warn hunters never to go hunting with you. God only knows if they get attacked how you would react.

rick

the private property argument simply doesn't a...

2011-09-03T18:47:25.247-06:00

the private property argument simply doesn't apply in this situation.

All rights are property rights, and that concept applies in every situation.

I very much understand private property and I very much know that it is not an absolute.

If you actually understood the concept, you would likewise understand that property rights, properly understood, are absolute -- as your question below illustrates.

Can you murder somebody on your private property? Beat a child? Rape a woman? No? Well why the heck not?

Each of those crimes is an act of violent aggression that violates property rights at the most elemental level. One's property rights begin with protection against violations of bodily integrity.

Animals do not have property rights. They can't understand the concept or articulate it. As Aristotle observed thousands of years ago, rights inhere in man as a separate order of nature -- a being capable of abstract thought and the use of language to express and act on those concepts.

On that happy day when our ursine neighbors exhibit similar abilities, I will happily re-examine that proposition.

There is no ambiguity here regarding the defensive nature of Mr. Hill's actions; local wildlife officials and the county prosecutor have validated his claim to self-defense. His behavior was that of someone who acted with a clear conscience and had nothing to hide. The "whole story" has been told, and it is the Feds who are perversely determined to act as if it hasn't.

Good come back Mr. Grigg. However, the private pro...

2011-09-03T18:22:02.795-06:00

Good come back Mr. Grigg. However, the private property argument simply doesn't apply in this situation.

I very much understand private property and I very much know that it is not an absolute.

Can you murder somebody on your private property? Beat a child? Rape a woman? No? Well why the heck not?

Answer that question, or think about it at least, and you will then be able to join the rest of the rational thinking world.

I don't know if this guy was actually in danger or not. It didn't appear that he was from what I read. But if he was, then he certainly has a right to protect himself. But I try to not taking sides until I know that whole story, unlike some people it seems.

the private property thing is BS. Bears don't ...

2011-09-03T16:14:26.675-06:00

the private property thing is BS. Bears don't know what private property is and the Law doesn't stop where someone's property line begins.Bottom line, if you're going to live in "bear country", especially with ones that are considered endangered, then one should take responsibility for that and learn how to live with them as peacefully as one can, or get the F out.

The purpose of law is to protect private property, a concept that applies exclusively to human beings. As you correctly point out, bears have no understanding of the fundamental concept of private property, a disability you apparently share.

To the "shoot, shovel, and shutup" folks...

2011-09-03T15:13:00.951-06:00

To the "shoot, shovel, and shutup" folks. I guess you wouldn't mind if the cops did that too, huh?

There's a word that is used when people apply different standards to different people. Starts with an "H".

And the private property thing is BS. Bears don't know what private property is and the Law doesn't stop where someone's property line begins.

If the guy was really just defending himself, then he needed to be in danger. The article doesn't describe him as being in danger. As for his pet? Was it tied up? He couldn't jut call the dog into the house?

Did he try firing a warning shot to make some noise? Did he do anything but shoot first and think later? That's what I'd like to know, 'cause if he didn't, then I don't feel too sorry for him. And if he did, why not say so and thereby help us all to better understand the situation?

Bottom line, if you're going to live in "bear country", especially with ones that are considered endangered, then one should take responsibility for that and learn how to live with them as peacefully as one can, or get the F out. My 2 cents.

Everyone criticizes Muslims for that section in th...

2011-09-02T18:08:54.192-06:00

Everyone criticizes Muslims for that section in the Koran (or a commentary, I can't exactly remember) which supports lying to their enemies. Where do people think that comes from? It comes from the Old Testament and the story of Rahab (among others). You have NO moral obligation to tell the truth to someone who seeks to commit evil against you.

People in that part of the country need to start thinking of themselves in the same way as did the European Christians who hid Jews and lied about it. There is no valor in ruining your life or the lives of others by falling into the hands of a repugnant, tax-fed bureaucrat because you decided to tell him the truth.

Those feds are every bit as much your enemy as the Nazis were to the Dutch. Treat them according, zip your lips and protect your neighbors.

Well said, idahobob. Amerika's prisons are fu...

2011-09-02T13:48:55.673-06:00

Well said, idahobob. Amerika's prisons are full of rubes like Jeremy Hill (and Anon 4:57) who "worked within the system," sure that "justice would ultimately prevail."

BTW, I have no doubt that Anon 4:57 is one of those hypocrites who would urge EVERYONE ELSE to "work within the system," but if faced with Jeremy Hill's choice under the same circumstances, would do exactly as Hill did - and then scream foul when the weight of the Regime came crashing down upon him in the aftermath. That, after all, is the New Amoricon/Amerikan Way: Do as I SAY, not as I DO.

To Anon 4:57, To dig a hole a cover it up is NOT ...

2011-09-02T11:37:21.500-06:00

To Anon 4:57,

To dig a hole a cover it up is NOT a cowardly act, you fool!

It is being prudent.

If you want to deal with the rigged court (especially federal) system, you go right ahead. They will take your property, firearms, treasure, and attempt to split your family up. You will not win, you will only lose.

If you want to deal with that, sport, go for it.

Or are you what I think you are, another keyboard commando trying to stir things up. Otherwise known as a TROLL!!

Bob
III

Shaddox said...Bears are only a few thousands. You...

2011-09-01T22:16:10.129-06:00

Shaddox said...Bears are only a few thousands. You can avoid confrontation with a bear because they're not aggresive creatures by nature.

For the love of god, man! You have split seconds to make a decision of life or death. There is no time to philosophize about the man/grizzly
dialectic.

Some enterprising Westerner should trap a few of t...

2011-09-01T18:35:01.930-06:00

Some enterprising Westerner should trap a few of these bears and release them in Rock Creek Park, Central Park, or Cape Cod.

Inflicting the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic on innocent bears? Now THAT'S animal abuse.

Comrade Hill should have let the bear eat him and ...

2011-09-01T14:05:51.735-06:00

Comrade Hill should have let the bear eat him and his family to protect the collective. Now eat your peas and sprouts.

". . .release them in Rock Creek Park, Centra...

2011-09-01T11:42:16.154-06:00

". . .release them in Rock Creek Park, Central Park, or Cape Cod."

Ha, ha! I love it! Or you could just release a few in downtown Boise with signs on them that say "Coutesy of Mr. Hill's Friends".

Some enterprising Westerner should trap a few of t...

2011-09-01T10:07:17.235-06:00

Some enterprising Westerner should trap a few of these bears and release them in Rock Creek Park, Central Park, or Cape Cod. Let's see how much the East Coast tree huggers appreciate bears up close and personal.