Comments on Pro Libertate: "This Is Government Land": The Eternal Refrain of the Federal Occupiers

Get a grip. I've had paranoid schizophrenic pa...

2016-01-20T04:52:10.116-07:00

Get a grip. I've had paranoid schizophrenic patients with a better grip on reality.

I love all of the "Monday Morning Quarterback...

2016-01-13T17:57:00.588-07:00

I love all of the "Monday Morning Quarterbacking". These guys took the land back from the scumbags in Washington. What exactly have any of you people done besides run your pie-holes?

I like the point of hypocrisy in relation to the I...

2016-01-12T05:39:19.793-07:00

I like the point of hypocrisy in relation to the Indians. You should find this blog interesting on the issue of how the event is possibly (likely) a manipulated affair:

http://stuartjeannebramhall.com/2016/01/09/is-the-oregon-occupation-being-stage-managed/

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WarriorClass III, I think your final point could b...

2016-01-11T18:22:41.695-07:00

WarriorClass III, I think your final point could be true regardless of whether there's COINTELPRO-like infiltration of the group.

The people you named and profiled could easily just be dimwits, not plants. Of course, this is the age old question (as radio host Scott Horton often says), "Stupidty or the Plan?" Are these people simply shortsighted and lacking in strategic vision? Or are they deliberately implementing bad ideas so as to steer a potential threat (the ranchers) into impotency?

Either way, it looks like that will be the outcome. They may have inadvertently given the Feds all the rope needed to hang them.

The settlers who invaded Paiute lands (with the su...

2016-01-09T15:08:20.521-07:00

The settlers who invaded Paiute lands (with the support and encouragement of the Feds) in the 19th century have long since departed, so neither they nor the Paiutes are "EXACTLY the same folks" who were the aggressors and victims, respectively, in those events.

There is only one entity here that inherits the guilt of those events -- the United States Federal Government, which steals from people of all backgrounds in remarkably even-handed fashion.

What an unmitigated pile of bullsh*t - you cannot ...

2016-01-09T14:48:36.696-07:00

What an unmitigated pile of bullsh*t - you cannot compare a bunch of right wing ideologues bent on stealing land with native American tribes who were driven from the land by EXACTLY the same folks who are now trying to take over the same land.

This is like equating the loss of stolen land by force with the gain of stolen land by force. The only true losers in this melee are the native American tribes who were driven off by violence and the current American citizens who now see a crew of armed vigilantes doing the same thing that the early settlers did to the "indians".

So we are supposed to believe that a group of well off ranchers and their loony militamen are today's "native Americans?" "Pleeze!!!"

I think it will work out fine if the Bundys don...

2016-01-09T12:12:23.030-07:00

I think it will work out fine if the Bundys don't take any bait toward violence. If they stay non-violent, the feds will either look ineffectual or they will be forced to become violent themselves which will play against them in the media. MLKJ won the civil rights concessions by not becoming violent. Others who followed him harmed the movement with their violence. Similarly, Wounded Knee. My mom was a Wendat Indian and during Wounded Knee she kept saying "this is going to hurt us". Dad explained that the violence just made Indians look like the stereotype white people thought we were. So the Bundys keep it calm and they win, but if the Bundys allow themselves to be tricked into firing the first shot, they will lose the moral argument and end the conversation over western lands for a generation.

This stand-off was designed to fail, because it is...

2016-01-08T08:01:32.046-07:00

This stand-off was designed to fail, because it is a government operation, on both sides. The objective is total control of all property in the United States in accordance with the UN's Agenda 21 objectives, such as "sustainable development" which when boiled down is nothing but the end of private property.

One way or another, the Bundy's got roped in to this either by the agents provocateur from the Bundy Ranch Stand-Off, or by direct threats to cooperate in this psyop. The militias that were at the Bundy Ranch identified these agents provocateur and outed them to the Bundys. What surprised everyone in the militias was that the Bundy's picked these very same trouble makers as their personal security on the Ranch.

And now, guess who are the ring-leaders in this Oregon stand-off? Yep, the very same provocateurs that were at the Bundy Ranch. Specifically, Brian Cavalier, the personal bodyguard to Ammon Bundy, a tattoo artist who falsely claimed that he served in both Iraq and Afghanistan yet the US Marine Corps has no record of his service. He also has a long rap sheet of DUI's and theft. Blaine Cooper aka Stanley Blaine Hicks (a convicted felon, claimed to be a marine and later found out that he never was), and Ryan Payne (who also claimed falsely during the Bundy Ranch standoff that he was an Army Ranger and who worked diligently to cause divisions between involved parties on the ground) and Jon Ritzheimer, a former marine truck driver and known radical agitator. All of these gentlemen have histories that make them prime targets for recruitment as police informants, very likely for the ATF and FBI.

Further, none of the militias that were at the protest were told of Ammon Bundy's real objective, of taking over the wild-life office. And they are angry that Bundy kept this secret because, had they known, they never would have showed up for the protest, not wanting to be tied to such an ill-conceived plan or even possibly a trap.

Thanks to the wisdom and leadership of Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of Oathkeepers, Oathkeepers didn't even support the protest. While most Oathkeepers and militia groups feel that the Hammond's were unjustly terrorized by the Federal government, they were also rightly concerned about the people that Ammon Bundy surrounds himself with - birds of a feather, and all that.

So the real reason this stand-off is doomed to fail is that it was designed to fail from the beginning, by the very people that took over the wild-life refuge offices. Why would they do this? To put all the western ranchers in such a bad light, that no one would support them in any future government land-grabs, and discredit the militia movement at the same time.

So yeah, America, you've been had. Another government psyop with the full cooperation of the media.

Feds don't have a foot in this it's a terr...

2016-01-06T19:51:12.865-07:00

Feds don't have a foot in this it's a territory they are screwed and u can't blame the Hammonds for all done to the puaite indians but u can blame the fire on BLM and u can blame all the wild life problems on the FWS

Walking down the long driveway to the "occupi...

2016-01-06T16:44:12.237-07:00

Walking down the long driveway to the "occupied" administration building yesterday I commented to another reporter that "there is a `Wounded Knee' flavor to all of this."

The Wounded Knee standoff wasn't a false flag, but it was infiltrated by the FBI, and it gave rise to a mopping-up operation against the AIM in which several were killed, and others set up for dubious convictions.

I don't think the FBI staged this incident, but the Feds might well capitalize on it.

There seems to have been a curious timing to this,...

2016-01-06T16:08:39.660-07:00

There seems to have been a curious timing to this, which started in front of King Barack's unconstitutional executive action against the civilian ownership of firearms.

Could we be seeing a false flag in the works?