Comments on Pro Libertate: Radicalizing the "Homeland" UPDATED, August 11, 2016

Anonymous -- could you contact me -- WNGrigg[at]ms...

2015-02-03T12:19:24.774-07:00

Anonymous -- could you contact me -- WNGrigg[at]msn[dot]com?

Thanks-- Will Grigg

To miscellany101: the police officer, Benjamin Gra...

2015-02-03T12:14:46.364-07:00

To miscellany101: the police officer, Benjamin Grant, who assaulted Nag is still with the Joliet Police Department. On appeal of Nag's lawsuit, it was found that Ben Grant had perjured himself when he denied he had assaulted Nag. The hospital reports of Nag's condition along with the numerous bruises and cuts on Nag's body, proved Grant assaulted Nag. I used to know Ben Grant. He was a mean, sly, brutal, thieving child and he is now a mean, brutal adult. He grew up in a dysfunctional home and was taught lies and deception He was in Iraq with the Homeland Guard and this enforced his cruelty deeper. This man should never have been a policeman, now in a position where he continue to enforce fear and brutality. Taxpayers pay this man in excess of $125K a year and also fund his pension and insurance. It makes me sick. I certainly would never want to cross his path again.

"I was just trying to cover up with my arms,&...

2011-03-11T23:39:43.692-07:00

"I was just trying to cover up with my arms," Nag testified during his trial two years later. "He kept telling me `Go home' and `[expletive] Arab.' I'm not Muslim, but if I was, is that a crime in America?"

The answer to that question is 'it is now!' The more enlightened and informed we've become the further we have become entrenched in our prejudices and bigotry. Please tell me the police officer who assaulted him is now jobless, or rather, no longer in law enforcement.

Name calling and an invitation to suicide is alway...

2011-03-10T22:02:59.792-07:00

Name calling and an invitation to suicide is always a helpful tactic. I read your blurbs Mr. Pagan Knight, does PTSD excuse your rude commentary?

I am sorry, but you and your readers appear to be ...

2011-03-10T15:54:15.163-07:00

I am sorry, but you and your readers appear to be moonbats.

Logic does not prove any of your points. It may validate the form of your arguments, but your premises are largely false and/or inapplicable.

Please go ahead and drink the kool-aid Jim Jones made for you.

Dear Lemuel, I am very well aware of the state of ...

2011-03-10T12:17:16.784-07:00

Dear Lemuel, I am very well aware of the state of our country and the reasons for it. As for the Protocols, I have done considerable research on that subject and ran across this article which I found quite enlightening since I was undecided until I read it. you may find it here at my blog if you care to read it.

Debate of Peter Myers with John Birdman Bryant on the Protocols of Zion

Peter Myers writes: In major US and Israeli media, propagandists for Israel have likened Jimmy Carter’s book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid to the Protocols of Zion. The argument that the Protocols is a forgery is thus used as a shield to fend off all scholarly argument that the Israel lobby dominates United States foreign policy on the Middle East. Thus, an investigation of whether the Protocols has been proved a forgery is pivotal to the defence of Carter, Finkelstein, and Mearsheimer/Walt.
Read his analysis.
Israel Shamir

http://saladin-avoiceinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2010/12/debate-of-peter-myers-with-john-birdman.html

I heard your interview with Scott Horton over at A...

2011-03-10T10:51:39.785-07:00

I heard your interview with Scott Horton over at Antiwar radio and it reminded me that the "War on Drugs" has created a larger body of Muslims through the prison system than if we were all left alone by the Feds.

Very interesting point. I'm curious to know if any independent research has been conducted that establishes a connection between black Americans incarcerated for drug offenses (particularly non-violent ones) and the growth of the black American Muslim population, whether as "mainstream" Muslims or through the Nation of Islam.

Shucks! As soon as I post a comment I realize I ha...

2011-03-10T10:11:59.540-07:00

Shucks! As soon as I post a comment I realize I had in fact something else to say. Sorry about that. I heard your interview with Scott Horton over at Antiwar radio and it reminded me that the "War on Drugs" has created a larger body of Muslims through the prison system than if we were all left alone by the Feds. Obviously we cannot be left unmeddled" with by our self-appointed saviors.

Its happening now and no doubt has happened for ce...

2011-03-10T10:09:34.663-07:00

Its happening now and no doubt has happened for centuries. Divide and conquer.

On that topic -- stay tuned for the next PL installment, which should be up in a few hours....:-)

LG... My own opinion of the Protocols is that the...

2011-03-10T09:59:12.354-07:00

LG... My own opinion of the Protocols is that they're a Zionist false flag organ created in-house in order to lure the unwary into its "honey pot" of lies. Sort of a blown cover is cover kind of argument a-la CIA, FBI, NSA agents provocateur and their poisoning of online blogs & seeding disinformation. Its happening now and no doubt has happened for centuries. Divide and conquer.

There never seems to be a lack of flags at these &...

2011-03-10T09:54:57.460-07:00

There never seems to be a lack of flags at these "events". As though we've somehow forgotten where we live and need to be reminded over and over , slaves to symbolism, again like a hammer over the head. I was taken to task by people when I remarked on how much idolatry there is in worshiping these symbols of the state. I guess I'm not a "good German" after all... even though I was born there.

(Continued...) The letter is found in the sixteen...

2011-03-10T06:40:45.842-07:00

(Continued...)

The letter is found in the sixteenth century Spanish book, La Silva Curiosa, by Julio-Iniguez de Medrano (Paris, Orry, 1608), on pages 156 and 157, with the following explanation: "This letter following was found in the archives of Toledo by the Hermit of Salamanca, (while) searching the ancient records of the kingdoms of Spain; and, as it is expressive and remarkable, I wish to write it here."

This document has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the currently circulated spurious "Protocols," which as I have said, distantly derive from the 1806 conference called by Napoleon.

“Le Grand Sanhedrin de Napoleon,” as it was officially named, took place on the 20th of October 1806 at the Paris Town Hall. Under the Presidency of Rabbi David Sintzheim and with a Central Consistory comprised of 2 lay Jews and 3 rabbis, the recreated Jewish Court was joined by a General Council made up of 75 rabbis from every part of Europe.

Their report is the origin, or the ancestor, of the spurious 1905 Russian document. As I said, it is available to be read in the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris.

For Bonaparte, however, the Sanhedrin had quite another purpose. He hoped that the Jews, scattered all over the world, would contribute to his world-empire. Well aware of the Rothschild’s growing financial prowess and Jewry’s efficient commercial intercourse, Napoleon’s plan was to ingratiate himself with this economic power.

Under pressure from powerful Frenchmen who opposed his new policy toward Jewry, arguing that full civil rights afforded to Jews would eventually find them disloyal to French interests, Napoleon issued in 1808 his “Restrictive Decree.”

To Jews and liberals then and now, the edict became known as the “Decret Infame” since it placed numerous restrictions on French Jewry. Debts owed to Jews were now quite easy to avoid; Jews had to seek permission to engage in commerce; and Jews could not avoid conscription into the army by paying substitute remuneration as was their habitual practice.

Working now as an organized body, Jewry planned its revenge against the French Emperor, proving the charge of "Jewish treachery" to be true. (From Napoleon's point of view, of course. From the Jews' point of view it was merely a just retaliation.) In 1815, European Jewry found its opportunity to destroy Bonaparte. Both James Rothschild of France and Nathan Rothschild of England, whose loyalties were to the “Jewish nation” spread throughout Europe, financed Wellington’s victory over Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.

I hope this clarifies the question of the spuriousness or the genuineness of the so-called "Protocols." Whether we accept them or not, and which historical setting-down-in-writing (by the Jews themselves, as opposed to by the Czarist Police or others,) we refer to, the philosophy they embody in their various incarnations is the philosophy of the Zionist rulers of the so-called "nation" of so-called "Israel."

As you yourself said: "There is a certain purity in the malice displayed by the criminal clique running that regime: They quite literally will screw anybody -- fellow Israelis very much included -- in order to hold on to power."

- Lemuel Gulliver

PS: I apologize for taking the discussion into this area; however the use of "The Protocols" against the Jews does resonate with the use of "The Quran" in the present pogrom in America against Muslims. One can indeed find intolerance in the Quran. One can find just the same or worse in the Bible. And the question of "belief" in the absence of "evidence" is the crux of the whole problem.

Mr. Grigg, What you or I "believe" is i...

2011-03-10T06:39:06.951-07:00

Mr. Grigg,

What you or I "believe" is immaterial. For us, I am certain, it is the product of the evidence each one has been able to acquire to date. For some other people, evidence is not necessary to belief. Read Eric Hoffer's book "The True Believer." "Beliefs" have prompted more murder and destruction throughout human history than almost any other cause.

For 350 years the Catholic Church did not believe Galileo, because the Bible says the Sun revolves around the Earth.

Some people refuse to believe that Jesus even existed.

Some believe the 1969 Moon Landings were staged at Universal Studios.

Over a hundred thousand people were burned at the stake because some people believed they were witches. Some believe in unicorns.

Peter King believes in a vast army of 1.5 billion "jihadis" out to rape his daughter and blow up his mother.

You see what I mean. Let us avoid their mistakes.

As regards the Protocols: If you refer to the "secret" document published by the Czarist police in 1905, I agree with you 100%. This was a propaganda screed against Jews, similar to what we see going on now in America against Muslims.

However the "Protocols" have never been a document like the US Constitution, produced at a certain date by a certain group of "Elders of Zion." It is a pseudo-religious philosophy which goes back two thousand years, which has occasionally been put down in writing, here and there.

This is one example:

In 1492, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law (under Ferdinand and Isabella) threatened their expulsion from Spain. This was the reply:

" Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.

"The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians' lives.

4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.

5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

(Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE."

(Continued...)

Anon 8:51, it is impossible for any observant huma...

2011-03-09T22:42:51.876-07:00

Anon 8:51, it is impossible for any observant human being to believe otherwise.

Does any one also believe that Peter King is a soc...

2011-03-09T20:51:48.864-07:00

Does any one also believe that Peter King is a sociopathic douchebag who fits the psychological profile of the type of person drawn to higher office during the Age of Rampant Corruption -aka Amerika circa 2011. These unabashed narcissists and crooks are drawn to Mordor on the Potomac - the epicenter of grand larceny -like flies on shit.

For very great is the number of the stupid. ~ G...

2011-03-09T10:34:30.566-07:00

For very great is the number of the stupid.

~ Galileo

That was a very good and well thought-out answer t...

2011-03-09T10:13:45.412-07:00

That was a very good and well thought-out answer to my question, Will. There was nothing anti-Semitic about that response. On too many occasions, this country's foreign policy has come across as it has been under Israel's thumb.

We interrupt this thread for the following message...

2011-03-09T07:48:07.308-07:00

We interrupt this thread for the following message from the proprietor:

The chapters following the first nine consist of the so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," and are somewhat tendentious and wordy.

To that description I would add the necessary adjective "spurious." Whatever the merits might be of "Waters Flowing Eastward," the "Protocols" themselves are, I am satisfied, a patent and malicious fraud. I thought it was appropriate and necessary to point this out.

We now continue with the previous comment thread, already in progress...

APOLOGY TO ALL AND UPDATE The link I gave for &qu...

2011-03-09T07:26:31.387-07:00

APOLOGY TO ALL AND UPDATE

The link I gave for "Waters Flowing Eastward - The War Against The Kingship of Christ" is for a highly abridged version.

Here is a link to a version which gives the full text. If you have the time, I recommend this one instead:

http://crashrecovery.org/Waters/

- Lemuel Gulliver

Mr. Grigg, You know how fond I am of giving your...

2011-03-09T07:16:49.863-07:00

Mr. Grigg,

You know how fond I am of giving your readers links to follow. Perhaps too many. But here is one that is truly PRICELESS - I hope you have time to read it, or at least the Foreword, Preface, the six chapters of Part 1, and the first 3 chapters of Part 2. The chapters are quite short. It is an online version of a book first published in 1931: "Waters Flowing Eastward - The War Against the Kingship of Christ"

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Denis.Fahey/Waters.Flowing.Eastward/0.1.Title.htm

The chapters following the first nine consist of the so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," and are somewhat tendentious and wordy. You can just read the headers and skip the details.

The later chapters are a series of examples of the application of the Zionist agenda.

There is one omission in the book. It traces the origins of the Protocols back from Russia in 1905 to mid-1850s France, but no further. In fact the Protocols were first written in 1806 when Napoleon convened a Great Sanhedrin of the Jews to write their master plan for the future. These originals are today to be found in the Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris.

French mid-19th Century writers learned of these and some of them were copied out, altered, used for other purposes and eventually got into the hands of a French lawyer, Maurice Joly, and made into a satire on Napoleon III. From there they were sent in 1894 to Russia, as the book relates. This link will tell you of the origins:

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=525

It is notable that the French Revolution was, like the Russian Revolution, funded and run in the background by Zionist Jews. This explains why, in both Revolutions, Christianity and the Church were brutally suppressed and replaced with "official atheism." The same thing has been done to us in the USA over the past 50 years, but by a process of gradual subversion, negation and corruption - of morals, social conscience (Love Thy Neighbor) and spirituality (Love Thy God.)

What you write of in this essay, the stirring up of hatreds between Christians and Muslims in the USA, (the most powerful nation on the planet - so far,) and Mr. Peter King's vicious and self-serving bandwagon to further this agenda, is part and parcel of a far larger and immensely evil plan, which has been developing for centuries now.

It is a plan to enslave the entire human race under the banner of the Prince of Evil, in opposition to the Word of God. Those who work for this plan may laugh at the idea that they serve Satan, but in the world of spirit, Satan is their Master.

Zionism and its allied Gentile equivalent, Freemasonry, have a primary goal of the destruction of all religions, except so-called "Judaism" as a pseudo-religion for the storm-troops of the conquest, and their replacement with a "religion" of atheism, materialism, hedonism, degenerate morals, economic slavery and worldly power - in short, Satanism.

The lower orders of Judaism and Freemasonry are just plain folks like you and me, who know nothing of the evil nature of the top echelons of both cabals. But when you look at the evolution of Israeli society, and now our own society, you see the corrupting influence of Satan at work.

When you read the inhuman and foul words of Menachem Begin above, the Satanic agenda becomes clear.

Those who seek the truth need to read these things with a clear mind and an open heart.

- Lemuel Gulliver

Bob, given the ugliness of Manifest Destiny (a sub...

2011-03-09T00:26:25.099-07:00

Bob, given the ugliness of Manifest Destiny (a subject I've only recently studied in any depth), I'm not certain I can describe the USA as a "legitimate" country. I certainly agree that the Israeli government -- like the one afflicting us -- is a spectacularly nasty piece of work.

I've often wondered how so many Evangelicals who properly revile the UN can see the current Israeli state -- a socialist gangster regime that was created by and through the UN -- as the divine blessing dreamed of and prayed for by ancient martyrs and saints.

There is a certain purity in the malice displayed by the criminal clique running that regime: They quite literally will screw anybody -- fellow Israelis very much included -- in order to hold on to power.

And the moral equation of contemporary Zionism strikes me as really perverse. The original idea was that Jews, who have suffered persecution for ages, need a state to be secure. Yet today, the only place where Jews face serious potential threats is Israel. So the logic of Zionism (at least its current version) dictates that individual Jews should be put in danger in order to protect the existence of the state supposedly established to protect them.

If you're the kind of person to whom this makes sense, you're likewise the kind of person who could accuse me of anti-Semitism for insisting that the life of an individual Jew -- or Arab, or Persian -- is infinitely more important than the preservation of the Israeli State, or any other.

Does anyone believe that modern-day Israel is an i...

2011-03-09T00:05:27.791-07:00

Does anyone believe that modern-day Israel is an illegitimate country?

"One feature common to this shared illusion w...

2011-03-08T19:33:44.463-07:00

"One feature common to this shared illusion was a speech by Villa Park Councilwoman Deborah Pauly, who boasted that she knows "quite a few Marines who would be happy to send these terrorists to an early meeting in paradise."

Just imagine if a group of Muslims held a rally outside of a Christian charity event and one of the speakers said, "I know quite a few jihadists who would be happy to send these infidels to an early grave." I guarantee you that Hannity, Beck, and the rest of their ilk would play that video every day for the next 6 months.

The truly sad thing is that she receive a wild round of applause when she said that.

You're right, Will, things could get really ugly. If I were a Muslim living in the United States, I would start looking for a way to get the hell out before the red state fascists start trying to put them in concentration camps.

Saladin, So you noticed that too? In moral degene...

2011-03-08T16:24:44.849-07:00

Saladin,

So you noticed that too? In moral degeneracy, corruption, warmongering, daily violence, pervasive rudeness, arrogance, jingoistic ignorance, intolerance, and plain old nastiness, America becomes more and more like Israel every year that passes. You have any suggestions why? I do. It's because those people rule every facet of life in this country - the media, the TV, the movies, the newspapers, the commerce, everything, and they set the tone for all of it.

Having traveled to some 40 countries, I can say that those which are most Christian in their ethnicity (and also Arab - a delightfully hospitable and soft-spoken race) are also the most pleasant, polite, and friendly.

Wherever you find a higher proportion of those other people, you find the social sicknesses that are afflicting and destroying America. Mr. Peter King is just a symptom of a deep moral turpitude that is stifling all decency in this nation. If you want to see the future of America - if you REALLY want to see it - go take a 2-week trip to Israel. You will come back transformed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MgGtIWJoPc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5MvQI0dshw&feature=related

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/hurndall-life.html

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/tovej.html

Seen enough?
- Lemuel Gulliver.

If not, let Menachem Begin explain it for you:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983

Now you know where the Power Elite in America get their ideas, and their ideals.

- Lemuel Gulliver

While watching breaking news from Arizona, my wife...

2011-03-08T10:55:45.648-07:00

While watching breaking news from Arizona, my wife made the comment, "It trickles down. Violence. It never trickles up." I believe she is correct. She's ten times smarter than I am.

Your wife sounds like a very wise and perceptive person!

Jerri Lynn, owing perhaps to the fact that I didn't get around to writing this essay until very late on an extremely stressful day, I neglected to point out that Mr. Nag was convicted of "assault," but I've not been able to find out what the sentence was. He is appealing the verdict and, as you note, has filed a lawsuit.