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My apologies to Will Grigg for posting a comment o...

2010-02-20T11:36:12.509-07:00

My apologies to Will Grigg for posting a comment off subject, but I must address an error made by Apollonian at 10:31.

In the same book of John he quotes, which I would gather he holds as authoritative, Jesus Himself tells the Samaritan woman, a gentile, that "......salvation is from the Jews." Moreover, Jesus even told her that you (gentiles) worship that which you do not know, and that we Jews worship that which we know (John 4:22). The NT's entire context is inundated in Jewish social and religious context. And when the NT writers, most of whom were Jewish, criticize "the Jews" they are writing about the Jewish religious leaders, often addressing their envy and hatred of an upstart Rabbi Who was taking all of their glory and threatening their high and lofty positions of religious authority. Ergo, biblical Christianity and the NT are not anti-Jewish; they are actually pro-Jewish, founded by Jews and written by Jews with the exception of Luke.

I like your defs, Mr. Grigg, and I like your idea ...

2010-02-18T08:57:23.587-07:00

I like your defs, Mr. Grigg, and I like your idea about "theocracy" as you define it.

I think it was (Jefferson?) who said that democracy is nothing more than MOB rule whereby 51% may enforce their decisions upon the other 49%. (paraphrase)

So how do you define "agorist"?

Ani

The most desirable form of government is theocracy...

2010-02-18T08:45:27.840-07:00

The most desirable form of government is theocracy, herein defined as individual self-regulation under God's law. (Sacerdocracy, the rule of priests or clergy, is among the worst forms of government, in my opinion.)

Where civic affairs are concerned I think it's pretty accurate to describe my views as "agorist."

In your article you say that democracy is one of t...

2010-02-18T08:30:08.454-07:00

In your article you say that democracy is one of the most insidious forms of tyranny. What then, is the most desirable form of government?

Perhaps if one would say "no" to all tho...

2010-02-17T23:38:36.724-07:00

Perhaps if one would say "no" to all those unconstitutional, intrusive questions in association with the US Census.

Wow! Been busy a few days and come back to check ...

2010-02-17T22:39:48.792-07:00

Wow! Been busy a few days and come back to check up and "Whammo"... Lunatic comments for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Odd doesn't even begin to describe it all. I hope everything else is going well.

Heh - maybe I should apologize? Or at least beg yo...

2010-02-17T22:17:25.944-07:00

Heh - maybe I should apologize? Or at least beg your pardon Mr. Grigg? I posted a link to some of your stuff on a chemtrail page and I think apollonian & Co. followed it here. But to be fair, he/she/them does seek possible solutions, concrete actions one can do... FedTroll or not. I don't think he/she/them is a FedTroll, but who knows these days?

I liked the last line in this article.
The whole thing was great writting.

It looks like my last comment, asking Mr. apolloni...

2010-02-17T03:40:30.553-07:00

It looks like my last comment, asking Mr. apollonian to speak English, won me a fan.

Good news, Will. Your troll has become my troll.

Hi Ani, Thanks. Like I said, I have become fond o...

2010-02-16T17:55:33.143-07:00

Hi Ani,

Thanks. Like I said, I have become fond of Apollonian, but not for the reasons he thinks. Poor guy, imagine - never being able to laugh. It starts with lauging at, and with, oneself. Only afterwards can one laugh at, and with, the universe.

We take people too literally - often they are compensating and pretending as hard as they can to be the opposite of what they really are. For all his posturing and pomposity, I think Apollonian is probably suffering from abysmal self-esteem, and deserves our sympathy instead of our anger.

As far as his anti-Jewish rants, Apollonian has some justification, but Mr. Grigg said it much better and with far more insight, in the article he gave us the link to. Having Jews in his immediate family, Mr. Grigg can't be accused of anti-Semitism. But he pointed out most eloquently that the Zionists are guilty of immense evil, and have cruelly misled and bamboozled the majority of the world's Jews, as well as many Christians.

It all boils down, again, like he said, to Leviathan. Wearing a yarmulke instead of a ballcap. Posing for the public with tefilim containing dollar bills instead of scripture.

If you are of Jewish descent, you may or may not know the words one of YOUR guys spoke - the Sermon on the Mount, which you will find here:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205:1-7:27;&version=KJV;

Wonderful words to live by.

God is a comedian. S/He laughs with us, not at us. S/He loves us. One cannot laugh with someone until you love them.

Regards,
Lemuel.

Thank you Lemuel, I was joking - I am a JOKER - ...

2010-02-16T13:53:00.171-07:00

Thank you Lemuel,

I was joking - I am a JOKER - and to me we are ALL jokes - to me EVERYTHING is a cosmic joke, including me.
Donchu vurry daahlinkkk -
I am not suffering from low self-esteem.
Yes - it is good to learn how to not take ourselves soooo seriously - and therefore one should not take me parroting Apollo...'s label too seriously either.

btw - loved yer potty humor!!!! LMAO - it was SOOOOOO apropos!
and very healing for those who can appreciate it - I laugh some more every time I think about it.
Laughter is one of the most powerful meds on earth.
If someone could get Apollo... to laugh - WOW - that would be a MIRACLE don't you think?

Ani the JOKER - a wild card ...

Dear Ani, Don't call yourself a joke. The who...

2010-02-16T13:35:42.218-07:00

Dear Ani,

Don't call yourself a joke. The whole universe is a joke. One day when you see it for what it is, and see us all for what we are, you will fall off your chair laughing. We humans take ourselves altogether too seriously. We love animals, because they just ARE. They don't pretend to be otherwise. Love conquers all, because that is all there is. Love and hate are not opposites. Love and nonexistence are opposites.

Ancient saying: "All roads lead to Rome." There is only one destination. Hope you find it. Follow the links.

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Anonymous @ 10:12 am,

"Wasn't Lemuel the one who admonished a poster for vulgarity?"

Hello, again! Peace, brother. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no no more forever. We all play our parts on the Great Stage. Bathroom references are funny because we take ourselves so seriously.

Enjoy life. Laugh. Look in the mirror, as I do. Laugh some more.
Peace!

Lemuel Gulliver.

apollonian, Dude, you're becoming REALLY tedi...

2010-02-16T12:00:08.830-07:00

apollonian,

Dude, you're becoming REALLY tedious. As if the garbage you're spewing weren't bad enough, the simplistic (and simple-minded) abbreviations are seriously on my nerves. Use the English language, man! You're not 14!

Semantical Correction - To be accurate, I should ...

2010-02-16T11:55:54.258-07:00

Semantical Correction -
To be accurate, I should have said "descent" instead of "ancestry".

Ani the Joke - a wild card in the deck.

HUGE SMILE!!!! Serendipity Rules. Thank you Lemue...

2010-02-16T11:49:35.003-07:00

HUGE SMILE!!!!
Serendipity Rules.
Thank you Lemuel!
Ani

Christianity is NOT merely what U WANT IT TO BE. ...

2010-02-16T11:46:23.287-07:00

Christianity is NOT merely what U WANT IT TO BE.

To this extent, you're entirely correct. It's what its Founder (Who, like most of his original disciples, was a Jew, at least according to the flesh) wants it to be; my desires have nothing to do with the matter.

Grigg Is Largely Tolerant, But Not Without Distinc...

2010-02-16T11:33:04.983-07:00

Grigg Is Largely Tolerant, But Not Without Distinct Un-Fairness
(Apollonian, 16 Feb 10)

Mr. Grigg: I think u've been generally quite fair under difficult circumstances--and I DO believe I've been given fair say here for this dialectic discussion in ur comments section, this blog. So u're to be commended. I'm satisfied I was given fair chance to state my case and reply to opponents.

Thanks for ur info, by the way--it really does clear up some things regarding ur disposition.

But why do u pretend ur "patience" is sooooo tested?--what's real problem? For all I did was prosecute my case in sincere manner--do u doubt the sincerity? If u're proper juror, then u'd want to have the fullest argument(s), right? Thus I give u facts, logic, and ref.s--conclusions based upon premises. If there's error on my part, u certainly don't pt. them out, do u?

Here's where u're un-questionably un-fair: u allege I claim "clairvoyance"--this is false, comrade Grigg. I merely make reasonable INDUCTIVE conclusions based upon available evidence--who else would argue for Jews, hated by all mankind (for excellent reasons, as I note), but Jews? These posters simply pass the "duck-test," don't they?--it's not "clairvoyance" at all--u're far too patronizing, and u fool urself egregiously, I submit.

Why don't u have the courage to either acknowledge or deny my simple thesis: Christianity champions TRUTH vs. Jew lies and conspiracy? There's no "morsel" of "authentic content"?--well then why can't u say why/how I'm wrong for my honestly presented thesis?

What could possibly be more "obsessive" than ur refusal to face facts regarding Talmudic ritual murder against all mankind?--how is it wrong to hold Jews responsible? And if u're related to Jews of race, then why shouldn't they denounce and repudiate satanic Talmud in forthright manner?

U also unfairly (and falsely) impute "collectivism," presumably against primacy of individual freedom--but this is totally un-founded, and u cannot (and don't) give any ref. fm any of my text--unfair, sir, mightily unfair.

Thus I submit, Mr. Grigg, u tend to be rather seriously stuck within ur own "fixations" of abstract intellect wherein u imagine u've achieved a kind of "truth" otherwise un-verified fm the CONCRETE and tangible reality--as regarding "clairvoyance," for example. Hence u express a pompous kind of smugness, best characterized as distinctly PHARISAIC which, though perhaps not necessarily fatal, quite significantly clouds ur judgment.

CONCLUSION: U cannot successfully serve two masters, Mr. Grigg: if u're truly Christian, then u must be anti-semitic, necessarily--the more anti-semitic, the better the Christian. Christianity is NOT merely what U WANT IT TO BE. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

Wasn't Lemuel the one who admonished a poster ...

2010-02-16T11:12:18.602-07:00

Wasn't Lemuel the one who admonished a poster for vulgarity?
Come on Lem, can't we rise above the bathroom analogies?
I won't miss apollonian one little bit. Not because of his "anti-Semitism" but because his screeds are so profound that I can't understand them; they're just way over my little head. That and I can't abide his use of dumbed down abbreviations.

Ok. In brief: Many thanks Apollonian, for your com...

2010-02-16T07:57:26.157-07:00

Ok. In brief: Many thanks Apollonian, for your comments, which are not only a pleasure to read, but educational as well. In other words, we are in agreement.

Thanks, Mr. Grigg.

Best Regards,
babette
911=usRAEL

"The US and Israel are involved in a sick and...

2010-02-16T06:16:37.664-07:00

"The US and Israel are involved in a sick and bizarre relationship of mutual exploitation, each using the other as a proxy, and both being controlled by a rootless, globalist elite that cares not at all for the best interests of anyone – American, Israeli, or Arab."

Priceless. Thank you.
-LG.

Mr. Grigg, Thank you for that link. You and I are ...

2010-02-16T06:12:27.055-07:00

Mr. Grigg,
Thank you for that link. You and I are singing from the same hymnbook. I like what you said there:

"It is difficult to overstate the contempt for religious Jews that animated many of Israel's founders. A vignette in Amos Elon's 1971 book The Israelis: Founders and Sons describes the annual ritual followed by one group of Zionist pioneers: Each year on Yom Kippur, the holiest date in the Jewish calendar, during which religious Jews (and even those Jews who are the equivalent of Christmas-Easter churchgoers) fast, this group of obnoxious socialists would gorge themselves on ham sandwiches...."

"It is always and ever thus: Wherever the State exists, it will eventually re-order society's priorities to make its own preservation the central organizing principle. In the case of Israel, the tragedy is compounded by the fact that the Israeli State is literally destroying Jewish identity as it was understood for millennia – that of a group of people “living apart” under God's law."

You got it.

Thank you so much for pointing us to that article.

Sincerely,
Lemuel Gulliver.

Dear Ani, For you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

2010-02-16T05:54:23.715-07:00

Dear Ani,
For you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g3YN8qIifM&NR=1

http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Hafiz.html

http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Hafiz.html

http://www.poetseers.org/the_poetseers/hafiz/h_p/

http://www.outofbodytravel.org/sacredchantrecitation/nativeamericanchants.html

And finally,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtftvCGEYs&feature=related

http://www.rssb.org/index.php

I am rather ambivalent about Apollo... I can see ...

2010-02-16T00:34:55.218-07:00

I am rather ambivalent about Apollo...
I can see advantages both ways -
Wouldn't bother me if he were allowed to vent his toxins.
Wouldn't miss him if blocked.
I stand behind Mr. Grigg's decision, whichever way he chooses.

I am rather amazed at the "apollonian" stuff that has been spewed all over the board ... never seen such a mean spirited "Christian" troll.
Guess it is morbid curiosity about what makes them tick that makes a close up view of such extremes of darkness posing as LIGHT so fascinating to me.
AND perhaps useful for us to learn about? --- THAT is the question.
Is there any beneficial purpose that can be furthered by allowing the genocidal ranting to continue (besides those purposes which have already been fulfilled)?
If the answer to this question is "NO" then it seems high time to end it.

In spite of the wildly contradictory and tedious harangues, I am very glad they "happened" because they presented an opportunity to be able to get to know, very rapidly, what great people are here, immediately upon discovery of this excellent blog.
And the comedians are classic classy class acts!!!!!!!
Looking forward to more of all of your wit and depths of thoughtfulness.

With great appreciation,
Ani the Joke - a spirit being manifested as a GIRL of Aryan Jewish ancestry.

Is one missing? If so, could you post it again? S...

2010-02-15T23:03:50.857-07:00

Is one missing? If so, could you post it again?

Sorry for the trouble.

Say, where's my comment? Best Regards, babett...

2010-02-15T22:51:58.351-07:00

Say, where's my comment?

Best Regards,
babette
911=usRAEL

Mr. Grigg, You are Salome and Delilah rolled into ...

2010-02-15T21:49:51.975-07:00

Mr. Grigg,
You are Salome and Delilah rolled into one.

Lemuel, that's easily the most remarkable personality assessment to which I've ever been subjected. :-)

William: do u notice the sheer number of JEWS u have posting here?

Since I share neither your obsessive fixations nor your delusions of clairvoyance, I really can't provide an answer you would consider suitable.

Although it may give offense to people whose company I don't seek and whose opinions I don't share, the following facts may be of minor interest:

My younger brother Richie -- one of six adopted children in my family -- is Jewish by maternal descent, if not by conviction. My wife Korrin likewise has Jewish ancestry in her immediate maternal pedigree.

This means that both my wife and my brother, along with my children, wouldn't meet the standards of purity set out in the Nuremberg Laws. Then again, I wouldn't, either, albeit for different reasons.

This is a small matter, albeit one rich in scandal for people of a certain collectivist bent.

My point, I suppose, is that at home I'm constantly surrounded by Jewish people, and it's done me no demonstrable harm. In a very literal sense, I am a "Jew lover."

For the record: My views regarding the political implications of Zionism and non-Zionist Judaism were set out in an early Pro Libertate essay entitled "The Fatal Embrace, Revisited" --

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2006/08/fatal-embrace-revisited.html

Mr. appollonian, I suppose congratulations of a sort are in order, since you've done something I hadn't considered possible: You have come respectably close to finding the limits of my patience.

I am not about to impose content-based restrictions on comments in this forum, but (as noted above) I have a well-established policy regarding spam -- content-free, parasitical advertising.

It's all but impossible to find so much as a morsel of authentic content swimming in the anti-Semitic slurry that is the typical appollonian diatribe. I really don't see any need to permit any further abuse of my hospitality.