Comments on Pro Libertate: Painting the Lily: The Lundeby Case, In Perspective

Dear Mr Griggs, I wonder what has come of this cas...

2010-12-15T03:33:52.323-07:00

Dear Mr Griggs,
I wonder what has come of this case. I was in contact with Annette and tried to get as much help for Ashton's case through others, including article writers. I try to call her and she doesn't seem to answer...so what gave? Is Ashton out now or still wrongfully held without conclusive evidence against him...especially the part that the former DA collaborated in secret and was caught by Annette and a friend with the state appointed defender of Ashton! The FBI testified before a judge that Skype Hacking wasn't possible- IT IS AND THEY KNEW IT! This goes further than we can delve today, but why would the FBI believe a punk from Australia that is a known financier for a child porn advocate over the words of a good, Christian, patriotic family?

See Philip Paynes articles on Examiner for further details.

Best Holiday Wishes,
Jonathan E. Kiser
Former US ARMY Disabled Veteran
101st Airborne/Air Assault
2/320th FA and 4/133rd FIST
& 528th USAAG 21st USAFAD
American Patriot-Texas Proud- Born and Bred.

"MOT, It's good to hear from you again as well. Do...

2009-05-12T22:21:00.000-06:00

"MOT, It's good to hear from you again as well. Don't be such a stranger"....

Been running on the unemployment treadmill for quite some time and even spent four months out of state doing work only to be laid off once more. But it won't stay that way forever. So here I be.

Anon's 8:12 AM comment was outstanding, and so was...

2009-05-12T18:02:00.000-06:00

Anon's 8:12 AM comment was outstanding, and so was Grigg's reply. I'm constantly amazed by the quality of comments I read on this blog site. Will Grigg's highly informative essays in defense of individual liberty and vastly limited government republicanism attracts the best and the brightest, so it appears. Quality begets quality. I'm going to start hanging out here with all of the smart, liberty-loving people more often. Kudos to all!

(MOT, It's good to hear from you again as well. Don't be such a stranger. Your comments are insightful. Hat tips to Doc Ellis, Liberranter, Broken, Sans Authoritas, Sic Semper Tyrannis and all you liberty lovers out there! If worse comes to worst, at least I'll have great company around me in the KBR's newly built FEMA detention camps.)

"Once you have terrorism laws, and terrorism burea...

2009-05-12T03:46:00.000-06:00

"Once you have terrorism laws, and terrorism bureaucracies you have to have actual terrorism or all of these people look silly."....

Well said. Just like those past comments about whats the point of having an expensive military if you aren't going to use it.

Bravo!

2009-05-11T18:36:00.000-06:00

Bravo!

Once you have terrorism laws, and terrorism bureau...

2009-05-11T15:39:00.000-06:00

Once you have terrorism laws, and terrorism bureaucracies you have to have actual terrorism or all of these people look silly.

Hey Will, did you do this back in the day? http://...

2009-05-10T19:12:00.000-06:00

Hey Will, did you do this back in the day? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtH52fLdZ54 - you look different now. Just wondering, it's a great program btw.

To 'Hate Bobby Flay' ~ The whole deal about NAIS ...

2009-05-10T16:05:00.000-06:00

To 'Hate Bobby Flay' ~

The whole deal about NAIS is that ONLY corporations will be allowed to produce food.

Control food and water and the entire population of the planet is on its knees.

Here's an excellent article - written by another farmer - linking depopulation of England's family owned livestock with Stalin's engineered famine and the future of farming in America:

Ukraine

How to Win in Federal Traffic Court: 2-year appeal...

2009-05-10T07:17:00.000-06:00

How to Win in Federal Traffic Court: 2-year appeal seeks to reverse all misdemeanor convictions since 1997 for failing to get signed waiver of trial by district judge
http://piratenews.org/US_v_Lee_Apellant_Brief_Feb2008web.html

Ironic that police state death squads prosecute th...

2009-05-10T07:10:00.000-06:00

Ironic that police state death squads prosecute their own police state death squads using the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act in this case.

The U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was used against an airline passenger for spanking her brat. Tamera Jo Freeman was jailed for months without a lawyer nor bail, then pedophiles stole her kids using the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. Those charges later morphed into "interfering with an airline crew", for "setting a beverage on the carpet". That don't change the fact the original charge was under the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act.
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/01/21/mother-declared-terrorist-threat-for-spanking-children-on-airplane/

My sister was a "public defender" and Yale-graduate, who only won 1 case, after her "guilty" client told her what to do. She lost 1,000s of trials as condition of employment, and had zero interest in learning constitutional law, and refused to read law books on winning in court. She's a Communist who lived in Bejing China and Czechoslavakia, and a gun-grabber who was in a communist Universalist Unitarian church when a church member opened fire in Knoxville TN last year. She gave me a book glorifying Che Guevara, the mass-murdering medical doctor who worked for CIA to put Fidel Castro in power in Commie Cuba. I think she's been brainwashed by her elite school cult.

Knox County Public Defender Lawfirm Corporation refuses all new misdemeanor cases and quits current cases in attempt to shakedown more taxdollars in Knoxville Tennessee, while already refusing to defend 200,000 annual misdemeanor cases in city court, in a town with only 160,000 residents.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2009/04/prosecutors-stop-prosecuting-all.html

VIDEO: Full Metal Park Ranger searches parked cars for drugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsyREtlyzq4

If Congress sat only for 3 months a year between t...

2009-05-10T00:50:00.000-06:00

If Congress sat only for 3 months a year between the sowing and reaping seasons, they would have far less time to get up to mischief.) Somewhere, somebody was supposed to have said, no? "The women weep quietly in the kitchen, the men work grimly in the fields. The legislature is in session and no man's property is safe."

Wow, reading all that stuff on the nonais.org webs...

2009-05-09T21:35:00.000-06:00

Wow, reading all that stuff on the nonais.org website was downright creepy. The fedgovs are not going to compromise a centimeter on anything ever; not a jot or tittle will ever be changed in their Plan to Enslave America Playbook. They probably wanted copies of the correspondence sent by the USDA terrist so they can figure out how to disguise their address for future threats.

Vermont is totally cool. I lift my glass in a toast to you.

Perhaps no one exploring the current frantic respo...

2009-05-09T18:55:00.000-06:00

Perhaps no one exploring the current frantic response to a 16 year old's alleged 'terrorist' threat is aware of the 2006 biological wmd threat to New England beginning with Vermont.

The 'threat' was posted on a Vermont pig farmer's website after that state's legislature decided Vermont farmers would not be compelled to Premise Register their private property with USDA based on ownership of milk cows, emus, llamas, hens, goats, horses, or sheep. Somehow rabbits were overlooked.

Here's the amusing part of the story..the 'threat' originated:

Search results for: 168.68.129.127

OrgName: USDA Office of Operations
OrgID: UOO-2
Address: Suite 133, Building A
Address: 2150 Centre Ave
City: Fort Collins
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80526
Country: US

biothreatOur Vermont pig farmer is no rube; he can handle himself admirably in cyberspace. Nonetheless, with all our concerted efforts as concerned farmers and livestock growers we failed to capture the attention of any of the federal agencies charged with a duty to protect and defend. Various national and local media outlets were also summoned to cover the 'threat' to National Security. Again, failure!

Follows the text of the threat:

"Thanks Vermont, for opening an avenue for those that wish to use animal diseases as a bio-eco-terrorism tool. We would have tried to start along the SW border but that’s now just to obvious. Thanks! We’ll take the NE corner and work our way in that way.
-ABET"

As livestock producers we took the threat with the utmost seriousness. We were told the USDA personage responsible for the threat to National Security was reprimanded by someone within the apparatus.

usdaupdate

Off topic: I guess passing retroactive laws is the...

2009-05-09T18:24:00.000-06:00

Off topic: I guess passing retroactive laws is the latest fad:

"The Alabama state legislature this week sent a bill authorizing Montgomery's use of red light cameras to Governor Bob Riley(R) for his signature. The city has been using automated ticketing machines since May 2008, but the local measure… is designed to retroactively protect the city from any lawsuit challenging the legality of the first $1 million worth of tickets already issued without authorization."

Right, Lemuel, and don't forget that even though w...

2009-05-09T18:01:00.000-06:00

Right, Lemuel, and don't forget that even though we have the Constitutional right to have counsel for our defense, if they take our stuff under a forfeiture law that they made up, they mockingly remind us that we have the right to counsel, but not the right to EXPENSIVE counsel, hahaha!

Mr. Grigg, When you write your piece about "justi...

2009-05-09T16:16:00.000-06:00

Mr. Grigg,

When you write your piece about "justice," please do not omit to point out that the State forces We The People to pay for our OWN prosecution via taxes, which pay for police, courthouses and the salaries of prosecuting attorneys and judges. After paying for our own prosecution, we ALSO have to pay for our own defense, out of our own pockets.

This is an egregious perversion. The State, which has awarded itself unlimited power to tax its enslaved subjects, via armed theft, thereby has unlimited money to pay for so-called "legal" persecution of those same enslaved subjects.

We The People ALSO pay the costs of our own incarceration, if the State finds us guilty of offending against its delicate and ever-expanding sensibilities.

NOBODY EVER seems to realize this - that WE ourselves fund, with our forcibly extorted taxes, the State's oppression of us. Enough already!!

I would like to see prosecutors, judges and police forced to fund their "law enforcement" activities out of salaries earned in productive jobs elsewhere in the workplace, just like We The Defendants have to do. I GUARANTEE the righteous indignation of our police and prosecutors would evaporate like magic, and the number of frivolous prosecutions would decline dramatically.

(In fact, I would like also to see our Congressional Representatives have their entire salaries and emoluments reduced to zero, and have them work on their farms or in their businesses to fund their part-time law-making activities. This is how the system began 230 years ago, and that is how it should be restructured today. If Congress sat only for 3 months a year between the sowing and reaping seasons, they would have far less time to get up to mischief.)

Yours in hope,
Lemuel Gulliver.

I had forgotten about Rodney King. That's when I f...

2009-05-09T15:48:00.000-06:00

I had forgotten about Rodney King. That's when I first became aware of double jeopardy, not the O.J. Simpson trials.

The guy I mentioned from Radley Balko's drug map list was Brian Eggleston. After doing a search on "brian eggleston double jeopardy" and "brian eggleston school zone," I may have been mistaken about an enhancement for where he lived -- I can't really tell, it's impossible for me to make sense of this case with all the trials and enhancements.

He was charged (at one time?) with 6 counts, including "murder in the first degree with aggravating circumstances, assault in the first degree, unlawful delivery of a controlled substance, and unlawful possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver… The amended information alleged that the defendant committed the murder knowing, or reasonably should have known, that the victim, John Bananola, was a law enforcement officer…The amended information also alleged that the assault in the first degree was committed against Warren Dogeagle, that the delivery of the controlled substance was within 1000 feet of a school, and that the unlawful possession of the controlled substance was committed while defendant was armed with a firearm."

There was quite a shoot-out. The assault charge resulted from shooting at Dogeagle and missing. Dogeagle insisted that he heard other sheriffs announce (twice) that they were the police. The pattern that emerges from reading these cases one after the other is that no one, including all neighbors, ever hears these announcements except other undercops.

The proposed "Federal Local Law Enforcement Hate C...

2009-05-09T12:50:00.000-06:00

The proposed "Federal Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Act" would effectively institutionalize double jeopardy for those accused of crimes against people belonging to what amounts to specially protected classes of people.

Its supporters insist that under the principle of "dual sovereignty," the Feds have the authority to step in and prosecute offenders when local/state officials or juries don't obtain the desired convictions. That's what happened to the cops who were initially acquitted in the Rodney King incident, for example.

Note well that people who support that measure generally refuse to recognize that we're supposed to have a federated, rather than unitary, system of government(s). They still don't acknowledge that the federal government's constitutional law enforcement role was supposed to be negligible, and that the arrangement they propose would require nothing less than a constitutional amendment.

But, as Joseph Sobran likes to say, the Constitution poses no threat to our current system of government.

I'm probably going to be writing about this subject pretty soon....

People have different opinions about what is doubl...

2009-05-09T11:26:00.000-06:00

People have different opinions about what is double jeopardy; I always thought the two trials of O.J. Simpson constituted double jeopardy and that's the problem. It shouldn't matter what my opinion is, it should be a clear-cut law that you can point to (and there is, see Anon @8:12.)

Looking through the list compiled by Radley Balko of people who killed cops after the cops first kicked in a homeowner's door, not only is the homeowner charged with first degree murder, he is tried twice, sometimes three times. One of them was not only tried three times, but in one of his trials, his sentence was enhanced because he used a firearm and his home was located in a school zone.

'Ryan was arraigned for offenses against state law...

2009-05-09T09:12:00.000-06:00

'Ryan was arraigned for offenses against state law before the Feds shouldered the local authorities aside and filed terrorism-related charges that could result in a life sentence.'

Despite the constitutional prohibition against it, double jeopardy has become an entrenched feature of U.S. criminal law, in two different ways.

One is overlapping state and federal laws. State and federal prosecutors now hold coordination meetings to decide who's going to 'process' defendants. The availability of federal sentence enhancements -- such as five extra years for the status offense of a felon possessing a firearm -- means that it often pays (from the standpoint of the prison-industrial complex) to feed a select portion of state defendants into the federal conviction machine.

A classic example of overlapping jurisdiction would be Timothy McVeigh. Under Oklahoma state law, he could have been charged with murdering 168 people. Instead, he was charged and tried under federal law with murdering eight federal employees (so much for 'equal protection' -- seems that fedgow drones are primus inter pares). If we lived under a federal system of sovereign states, Oklahoma would have gotten the first and only crack at trying McVeigh.

Then there's double jeopardy at trial. Now when state trials don't produce the desired conviction, defendants can be retried on federal civil rights charges. For instance, Lemrick Nelson, after being acquitted of the murder of Yankel Rosenbaum by a New York state court, was tried again in fedgov 'court' and convicted of violating Rosenbaum's civil rights. Fedgov appellate 'courts,' under the silly pretense that state and federal laws treat different offenses, don't see this as double jeopardy.

The horrendous result is that Americans who fall afoul of the law now face a conviction machine almost as efficient as Stalin's or Mao's.

I'm old enough to remember when 'dirigiste' countries -- those ruled from London, or Paris, or Tokyo -- were mocked for their lack of regional devolution compared to our U.S. federal system. But criminal defendants in those countries face only one criminal code, the national one. Here -- and probably uniquely in the world -- Americans live under two overlapping criminal codes, federal and state, both of which have the power to imprison them for life and even to execute them.

Recognizing the might of the State, the Founders intentionally tilted the legal playing field toward defendants in the Bill of Rights, giving the government only one shot at convincing a jury to convict. They specified only two federal crimes, treason and piracy. But thanks to the proliferation of new federal crimes since the 1964 civil rights act and the 1970 'war on drugs' opened the floodgates, the constitutional scheme has been overturned to give overwhelming advantage to the government, such that most charges are now plea-bargained.

Freedom? Do the math. With conviction rates north of 95 percent in some fedgov district 'courts,' tell me how that materially differs from Stalin or Mao, who routinely batted 99 percent? And as in those totalitarian systems, prosecution of our rulers' crimes is routinely waived under the culture of impunity which protects the Washington elite.

In conclusion, the politicized federal justice palaces which loom over this land symbolize the overthrow of the late constitutional republic by our sneering, venal Depublicrat oppressors.

If you will indulge me, Sir, my two cents. Until G...

2009-05-09T08:32:00.000-06:00

If you will indulge me, Sir, my two cents. Until Google adds the trackback function, we have to take what we can get.

I lost interest in this case when I read your firs...

2009-05-09T07:11:00.000-06:00

I lost interest in this case when I read your first article and saw that daddy was a Fed. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Live at the expense of others as a tax parasite, then I will shed no tears when fellow tax parasites come calling. I'm sure the number of people who daddy incarcerated in the Federal prison system were legion and I'm sure that none of the Lundeby's gave one twit about the rights of those people, who statistically speaking, were probably in prison for Drug War offenses or other nonoffenses when daddy cashed his check at the expense of people who work for a living.

This article is well done considering the twists. ...

2009-05-09T05:50:00.000-06:00

This article is well done considering the twists.

I agree completely that it's wise to doubt the state's version (and an 'informants').

There are a multitude of paid online creeps intent on creating circumstantial evidence.

Allow all the information to trickle in on this case.

Doug, ironically enough my first reaction to the c...

2009-05-08T23:10:00.000-06:00

Doug, ironically enough my first reaction to the cyber-prank bomb threats was to describe them as the Twitter-age equivalent of pulling a fire alarm in school.

The chief difference is that this would be like pulling one alarm for several schools scattered across the country.

The analogy isn't perfect, of course, and neither version of this prank is a good idea.

When I was in high school in the early 70's you co...

2009-05-08T22:59:00.000-06:00

When I was in high school in the early 70's you could go to the hall pay phone and call the number scratched on the wall. In 10 min. the fire alarm would ring and the classes would exit to the sunny late spring afternoon day. If you called after 2 they would just dismiss class for the day.

I believe in 1973 we had 20-30 of these. Boy was he good!

The DHS needs to get a grip.