Comments on Pro Libertate: (Update 6) Carol Anne Gotbaum: Victim Of Death By Government

HI sane wisconsin resident, just confused at the ...

2008-05-09T22:59:00.001-06:00

HI sane wisconsin resident, just confused at the rants and raves logged here. wow. some really extreme viewpoints. Who was this woman to them? no one. another person in the huge flow of faceless peeps. hmmm.. it is sad she died. but that is life. try to improve the system. don't get negative like the strange author/blogger/weirdo that wrote or writes this. wow.,,, attention deficit much??? and care about your fellow americans. and earthians... so let's just all try harder to get along.. for real.

Carol Gotbaum was a victim of her own weakness. Sh...

2008-03-27T07:11:00.000-06:00

Carol Gotbaum was a victim of her own weakness. She was a stinking drunk and she hanged herself by virtue of her own stupidity. Attempting to blame the police on one woman's own bad choices is the kind of soft-headed mentality that is afflicting America today. Blame everyone else, but don't bother making people accountable for their own stupid choices. Way to go, destroying America, one idiot at a time.

Re: Carol Anne GotbaumWhy has no one mentioned Mar...

2007-11-30T00:06:00.000-07:00

Re: Carol Anne Gotbaum
Why has no one mentioned Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's philosophy regarding discipline and detention? He condones and encurages
cruel and brutal treatment to anyone who comes in contact with his oifficers. Oh and quite often the surveilance tapes mysteriously disappear.

Well, I'm certainly happy to see that this article...

2007-11-29T22:13:00.000-07:00

Well, I'm certainly happy to see that this article becomes reason to: bash Bush, bring the current war in Iraq into discussion, call any police force anywhere "PIGS", become a religion-bashing session, and calling each other idiots...good to know that I'm surrounded by such mature individuals...
Having to do a school assignment on this is really difficult, I won't lie. The endless amounts of information that tends to change with every story I read, is really fun to work with. And with people opening their mouths who don't have the first clue about what happened, yet absolutely knowing what they think is absolutely right, is just killing me.
Here's something to think about, so the police that approached this woman are supposed to know somehow right off the bat that she is in such a bad condition? For all they know, they are dealing with some lady who knows she's not a terrorist and is shouting it loud and clear for all to hear. They don't know that she is en route to a rehabilitation clinic. So maybe they do need to say sorry for not reading the big invisible sign on her forehead that states "I'm emotionally unstable, and I've had a history of drug use and depression. Approach with CAUTION". After all hindsight IS 20/20... How "piggish" of them to practice what they've been taught. Now, I must say, I know some police out there are bad cops and take advantage of their uniform, but in this case, something tells me they aren't dirty cops. I suppose I shall find out when this whole ordeal gets exposed.

Did she or did she not, die in Police custody? Now...

2007-11-20T06:21:00.000-07:00

Did she or did she not, die in Police custody? Now we are done! Anon Jaye

Hmmm...Ignorance is a gift. Ignore the facts, eve...

2007-11-19T18:12:00.000-07:00

Hmmm...

Ignorance is a gift. Ignore the facts, even though I wasn't there I know everything that happened because my stupid article is looking more like the left-wing rant that it really is.

You need many more update here bud. This article really is a hoax and if you had any decency you would take it down.

1) There was no single out of TSA agents. In fact she cleared security and only had to go 3 gates. I'm not a big fan of the TSA, but I bit my lip and deal.
2) She missed the flight because she was late not overbooked. She had 40 minutes to go 3 gates. Instead she used as her last opportunity to get all sauced up. U didn't mention this.
3) She had BAC of .24 that's lighting the lamp. She was running around like a nuisance and is a big threat to elderly folks. She needed to be detained.
4) The Gotbaum examined her and it was accidental.
5) You do not understand the term of hanging in the clinical sense. It does not mean she was hanging from the rafters you moron.

Shoot I'm done here!!!

Go ahead in your make believe land...

http://wcbstv.com/local/gotbaum.phone.records.2.56...

2007-11-11T08:57:00.000-07:00

http://wcbstv.com/local/gotbaum.phone.records.2.564324.html She was killed by some Pigs, either by them Hanging her or doing a Chokehold on her! What's the difference? Shalom. Anon Jaye

It appears to me, from the autopsy report, that th...

2007-11-10T14:37:00.000-07:00

It appears to me, from the autopsy report, that the only objective evidence of strangulation is the marks on the right side of her neck. No broken blood vessels in her eyes. No involuntary urination or defecation. No claw marks on her neck indicating that she tried to relieve pressure, despite her long fingernails--which were unbroken. No description from the officer who found her that her head was hanging on the chain in some manner or that the chain was completely around her neck.

Also, the ME lists alcohol and medication intoxication as contributing factors without explaining how these conditions contributed. The report does not seem all that dispositive.

One less Drunk driver in the world. She was drunk ...

2007-11-09T14:17:00.000-07:00

One less Drunk driver in the world. She was drunk when she killed herself...news just in. Good.

Hey, don't forget to update your readers on the of...

2007-11-09T13:35:00.000-07:00

Hey, don't forget to update your readers on the officially ACCIDENTAL death of your drunk and disorderly cause celebre, Ms. Gotbaum. Did you read the new report from the Maricopa Co. Coroner? How about those toxicology results?

So much for your preposterous, pie-in-the-sky theory that officers sat on or otherwise crushed her to death. No beating...no savage, unprovoked abuse...nothing. It was just another case of "saw a$$hole, arrested same." She choked on her own handcuffs, through her own astonishing belligerence. Of course, like any anti-authority type you'll be weaving a fantastic conspiracy theory. The fix must have been in; the coroner was bought; 2+2 makes 5. Someone call Ollie Stone.

So much for you and any shred of credibility you've ascribed yourself. You're no libertarian. And you sure as hell don't speak for this one.

Now shut the f--k up already!

Jerry Mair
New York

So many here want there to be a "conspiracy theory...

2007-11-09T11:38:00.000-07:00

So many here want there to be a "conspiracy theory". The facts are adding up.

1. The woman was messed up! A real mess. Drug use, depression, two attempted suicides in the past year.

2. She was wierd, acting insane at the time of her arrest.

Have any of you thought that she may have purposely gotten into a position to kill herself?

The woman was not a normal mom that just happened to get upset! She was a dysfunctional person. Nobody in the airport knew her past. To them she was a strange person acting up. She was annoying to folks who were passengers as well. She was taken away, chained to a bench and left alone for a few moments. That is normal.

Quit trying to make this into a thing where an innocent person is being beat up by some Soviet era cops and then secretly executed by some Nazi Doctors in a back room.

As far as I can tell she was either resisting the handcuffs by trying to get out of them OR purposely ended her life as she had tried to do earlier. Suppose she had been taken to her cell and then hanged herself? Is that still the fault of the police? We have taken on far too much these days... makes you wonder how people, our ancesters, ever made it up to now?

Quit the hype, a drug crazed, mentally depressed, woman will no longer affect her children. Hopefully they will grow up to be normal.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SOBUIO0&...

2007-11-06T13:10:00.000-07:00

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SOBUIO0&show_article=1
Chicago Cops taser an 82 year old woman! Shalom.
Anon Jaye

OK, final thought, the cops got away with murder t...

2007-10-28T10:10:00.000-06:00

OK, final thought, the cops got away with murder this time, this time! Being close to Halloween lets say a group of peaceful protesters start getting beat up by the cops for no legal reason and the protesters having no weapons start biting, yes biting first they bite the hands, then arms and legs and then they start biting the necks and then this bloody "Night of the living dead" Scenario teaches people, its OK to bite and that Americans have certain rights and protections under our Constitution! Shalom. Happy Halloween Anon Jaye

You can't strangle yourself to death while restrai...

2007-10-24T08:19:00.000-06:00

You can't strangle yourself to death while restrained in handcuffs. It's impossible. Their story does not add up. She was a good person. She was a mother with 3 kids. She has people who loved her. She did not deserve to die at the hands of airport police.

Speaking of Abuse, Beating and Tasering! If Iran i...

2007-10-22T16:47:00.000-06:00

Speaking of Abuse, Beating and Tasering! If Iran is bombed, then they will awaken their sleepers here and Shopping Malls, Theaters and Restaurants will start to be blown to pieces, then Martial Law will declared Meaning more Beatings and Tasering then the Second American Revolution (SAR) using the "Turner Diaries" MINUS the RACISM not that Carlos Marighella Crap! will start and end with a big party in DC with the bodies of Satan's children serving as torches to light up the night and our great Constitution will be restored again to it's place of Honor! Shalom! God bless America and her Constitution!
Anon Jaye

I know whereof I speak too and shut the hell up t...

2007-10-21T15:06:00.000-06:00

I know whereof I speak too and shut the hell up too! You think, you are the only one who could speak up for the GOTBAUMS?

How about us that are working in the airport? Are we not supposed to be protected by the police for any violent crimes that a person may commit or committed inside the aiport?

Look, Carol arrived late in her connection flight via TUCSON B3- Terminal 4. She had plenty of time to check in and she did not do it, in a timely manner. There is a ROADHOUSE BAR next to the gate, and somewhere there...she ate her lunch and maybe had some "drinks". There...she comes to the gate and found out...she was late for her flight! If she was focus, to get aboard on time, things would not ever happened in the wrong place and the wrong time.

FYI too, Carol threw her cellphone at one of the passengers at that time and just only missed it! That was the reason why the US AIRWAYS gate employee called for the police.She became violently aggressive and screaming on the top of her lungs. Do you think that is a fair game?

Remember...what the WATSON family said to the media? "They did not know, she was travelling alone"!For me, a person with serious and manic depression patient should have ever been accompanied or flown with her husband, up to the door of her TUCSON REHAB CENTER. Of course...now that Carol is dead, it's so easy to point fingers at the hands of the POLICE. THe GOTBAUMS would find ways to blame it to "SOMEBODY" not to themselves, of course! It would save their face from conscience and just sue the government for more bucks. Goodluck!

"We have freedom of speech here"? Carol Anne Gotba...

2007-10-21T02:22:00.000-06:00

"We have freedom of speech here"?

Carol Anne Gotbaum was ARRESTED for SPEAKING, right? She didn't actually DO anything, apart from throwing a loud, disruptive temper tantrum. She posed no threat, injured nobody, did no damage to property. She didn't interfere in any way with the timely and efficient delivery of air travel.

She simply said things that were disruptive and irrational.

There was a time, not long ago, when police would NOT have formed a rugby scrum and tackled a tiny, small-boned woman to the floor, handcuffing her behind the back and then chaining her to a bench in a detention cell as if she were an inmate at Gitmo.

But ... you're cool with that, since these tactics "maintain the peace and order of our society."

One last observation:

Unless you are someone who has dealt with [a]loved one[s] suffering from severe mental disorders -- for instance, a wonderful, beautiful wife whose sickness is killing her by degrees, while simultaneously making her impervious to reason, and frustrating the efforts of her husband to get help -- you have NO DAMN RIGHT to say ANYTHING about Noah Gotbaum's good-faith efforts.

I know whereof I speak. It's obvious you don't. So just shut the hell up.

To Mr. William N. Grigg,I don't care what you call...

2007-10-21T02:00:00.000-06:00

To Mr. William N. Grigg,

I don't care what you called me because we have a freedom of speech here! For me, a mental person should have not been allowed traveling alone for long, long hours with the layover in the airport, drinking in the bar and not taking anti-depressant! My stand here...stop blaming the police! They are doing their job to protect the peace and order of our society! Ask MR. "smart" GOTBAUMS and don't give me an excuse, he was taking care of their 3 children! If he loved his wife more than his children, Carol would still be alive today! Noah knew Carol committed suicide a year ago and she could do it again, over and over, once she starts depressive for anything! She doesn't know how to manage her anger, alcoholism and drug dependence. So, for you Mr. Grigg, stop grilling me! Grill the educated people with lots of money and they have answer for you!

My final thought is; If every Jew bricked every Na...

2007-10-17T17:54:00.000-06:00

My final thought is; If every Jew bricked every Nazi in the face when they came for them, then the Holocaust would not have happened! Now If every time a Cop or group of Cops act as Judge, Jury and Executioner and get away with it and a group of Multicultural and Multiracial American Vigilantes deal with the Rogue Cops and their families then the upcoming Police/Martial law State might not happen! Who knows? The Rogue cops must be made to learn "You mess with our families and we will mess with yours!" My guess is a Pregnant woman will soon be tasered and both her and the child will die and a bloody Riot will occur and it will be the first of many until the jack booted thugs repent and reform! Who knows? Shalom. Anon Jaye

some moron said: "I am sick to death of all the w...

2007-10-16T20:19:00.000-06:00

some moron said: "I am sick to death of all the whiners out there who expect the rest of the public to put up with their BS..."

When did it become illegal to bitch about losing your seat on an airplane, or screaming "I'm not a terrorist.."?

Last I heard, the free speech clause of the constitution didn't make an exception for annoying uber-rightous assholes like yourself, buddy. Or how loud you should proclaim what you felt you have to proclaim.

Cops should be able to use any amount of force they feel like tossing at someone for any trivial offense that happens along?

Death penalty for all loudmouth complainers, eh?

Fuck you nazi turd.

And to add further insult to injury the TSA is cal...

2007-10-15T23:56:00.000-06:00

And to add further insult to injury the TSA is calling on all air carriers to be more "efficient" and to shake a leg and all that to speed up service... under, wait..wait for it, threat of penalties!. Hahahahaha! Bozo the Clown doesn't hold a candle to these boobs.

2007-10-15T23:54:00.000-06:00

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In light of the fact that the TSA is directly resp...

2007-10-15T23:52:00.000-06:00

In light of the fact that the TSA is directly responsible for flight delays and cancellations galore it's amazing that they then proceed to harass anyone who happens to get upset at being treated like so much ground sausage between their fumbling fingers. Oh, and the price of admission to this assinine absurdity is higher ticket fares. Thank you very much!

The combination of arrogant sanctimony, indifferen...

2007-10-13T17:53:00.000-06:00

The combination of arrogant sanctimony, indifference to fact, and general illiteracy of maygirl62's contribution leads me to suspect that we're dealing with a victim of "Hannitization."

That you, maygirl62, discern some grand political subtext to this family's personal tragedy, and assume some privileged insight into their unspoken motives -- and seem to believe that you have the key to "solving" severe psychological problems in a very brief time -- suggests that you are rancid with cynicism and hostage to delusions of grandeur.

Please, seek professional help.

*Noah Gotbaum's original plan was NOT for his wife to be left unattended. Through circumstances the family couldn't control, Carol missed the direct flight, and the family friend who was supposed to meet her in Phoenix didn't make it. Noah had to care for their small children.

*However it came to be that Carol ended up in police custody, once she was in their hands the police had the moral, legal, and civil responsibility to ensure her safety. This was explained in detail by Gary Klugiewicz in an essay for PoliceOne.com.

All I can say here are: THE GOTBAUMS are irrespon...

2007-10-13T17:21:00.000-06:00

All I can say here are: THE GOTBAUMS are irresponsible people here on EARTH! They let Carol traveled ALONE from NY via PHOENIX to TUCSON? This woman is pathetic! She is a "sick mom" and stop blaming the POLICE, TSA, Airport or USA Airways. The GOTBAUMS were saying they were "private people" because they were ashamed of Carol's disease and she would bring the downfall of Betsy Gotbaum, perhaps for Mayoral candicay of NY in 20009? How come they did not even solved Carol's own problem for 3 years and they waited for so long to become worst and blamed everything to the POLICE her own death? SHAME on you NOah Gotbaum. You took the risk, and pay for your wrong planned and decisions making!