Comments on Pro Libertate: The Robber State Strikes (Updated)

Here is an article titled "Weimar Inflation in Ame...

2008-06-01T16:31:00.000-06:00

Here is an article titled "Weimar Inflation in America", dated May 26, 2008:

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Turk/turk_may262008.html

M3 is a measure of the amount of U.S. currency in circulation. The article states that the annual growth rate of M3 is 17%.

One thought...Ron Paul's contributions went up qui...

2007-11-19T12:44:00.000-07:00

One thought...Ron Paul's contributions went up quite a bit today. Maybe the Feds donated all that unmoney to the campaign!

If I thought them smart enough to pull something off that is that diabolical, I would say that this would be the perfect "smear" strike against Ron. I'm sure that in their tiny little minds the forces of the ruling class could imagine the negative publicity avalanche coming about as the result of the revelation that Ron Paul's campaign had accepted "stolen money", neglecting, of course to mention that it was the feds' own agents that had made the donation.

Yes, once the Feds make a decision or law to grab ...

2007-11-17T03:04:00.000-07:00

Yes, once the Feds make a decision or law to grab rights and property, questioning their thuggish behavior is assumed to be irrelevant. They, after all, have guns, badges, titles, costumes, and the power to create unwanted "new realities" for us through the use of unbridled force. We, on the other hand, hold only a scrap of paper known as the Constitution and an apparently antiquated if not dangerous belief in inalienable rights.

Apparently, the Feds did another hiest in Cour de ...

2007-11-16T19:50:00.000-07:00

Apparently, the Feds did another hiest in Cour de Alene in Idaho today. Basically the same company, just different location.

One thought...Ron Paul's contributions went up quite a bit today. Maybe the Feds donated all that unmoney to the campaign!

Neo

A very nice, and talented, gentleman from my neck ...

2007-11-16T13:02:00.000-07:00

A very nice, and talented, gentleman from my neck of the woods, Dr. Paul Hein, authored a wonderful explanation of "money" (real and not) that's available on the web at

http://www.usagold.com/allworkandnopay.html

Therein he wrote: "And if you wish to obtain your fellow-man's wealth without producing any of your own in exchange, don't don a mask and set forth armed to prey upon him. Rather, persuade him to exchange his production for your 'obligations' or 'liabilities,' so that you can obtain his wealth in return for numbers which you write or engrave on a piece of paper. But be careful! Bills engraved in your garage or basement are counterfeit, and will get you into trouble. Those engraved in a certain building in Washington are 'legal' and will get you anywhere you want to go! The 'crime' of counterfeiting is not so much a matter of principle as of geography.' "

By the way, I began purchasing precious metals in 1997, and agree that Liberty coins are not a great investment. But that's not really the point of their purchase, is it? I'd have to guess the visage of Ron Paul on some had a great deal to do with the Federales' repulsion thereto, and their ultimate action.

William, I fully agree with you that what the feds...

2007-11-16T12:08:00.000-07:00

William, I fully agree with you that what the feds did is nothing better than highway robbery. Moreover, I really see no problem with people selling medallions and storing precious metals for others, as long as there is a demand. However, even though I put my savings into gold myself, calling the Liberty Dollars an inflation proof currency is a fallacy.

I looked into the notion that precious metals are inflation proof when I first decided to invest in gold. I found that despite inflation (the chart depicting $1 in 1913 being worth $0.04 today is true), wages have grown faster. In 1914, the average personal disposable income was $400; last year it was $1600 per year, inflation adjusted. Gold would make sense only for savings, which are indeed affected by inflation. However, even there it's not as simple: if the average American put all his savings into gold, between 1971, the end of the Breton Woods System and 2001, 30 years later, the value of his holdings would be no different than if he held all the money in a bank account. Only the most recent years show a difference.

I see value in alternative currencies, mainly as a barter medium to avoid taxes. For example, I see no reason for two people who perform services to each other (such as when I took wedding pictures for my massage therapist in exchange for a number of massage sessions) should be taxed for these services. Alternative currencies make these barter deals easier. However, I would not invest into Liberty Dollars as an investment vehicle for precious metals.

Will, I hope you or someone there will promptly pu...

2007-11-16T09:55:00.000-07:00

Will, I hope you or someone there will promptly put your debate on youtube. I'm always interested in Iraq debates because although arguing in the negative seems axiomatic there exist rational, freedom loving people who believe otherwise, and it makes me wonder (albeit briefly) whether or not I am somehow mistaken.

The seizure warrant says the property was the frui...

2007-11-16T07:37:00.000-07:00

The seizure warrant says the property was the fruits of money laudering and mail fraud. Can they get more vague that tnat?

straightarrow, I really appreciate your kind words...

2007-11-15T22:04:00.000-07:00

straightarrow, I really appreciate your kind words and wishes toward Korrin. I'm not sure how she's doing; she's undergoing special treatment at a clinic several hundred miles from home, and I haven't seen her in weeks (even though we talk several times a day). I'll be seeing her this Saturday, if all goes well.

My e-mail is WNGrigg [at] msn [dot] com.

Thanks again!

Didn't find any contact info, so I will ask here. ...

2007-11-15T22:02:00.000-07:00

Didn't find any contact info, so I will ask here. How is your wife doing? I pray she is doing better.

I disagree with you about Iraq and some other thin...

2007-11-15T21:46:00.000-07:00

I disagree with you about Iraq and some other things you said related. And we have had multiple family members there at risk since the First Gulf War. However, I will save that for another day.

As to the theft of Liberty Dollar's property I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I suspect this has much more to do with the upcoming presidential election than it does with "counterfeiting". For one thing, counterfeiting must be done with intent to supplant proper currency. There is no intent provable here. Especially since the coins or medallions do not in any way resemble any coin or paper currency state authorized to be in circulation as legal tender.

Two, every carnival you ever went to would put anyone's picture on any legal tender bill you offered up, as a novelty. The treasury department has ruled and it has been upheld that this is not counterfeiting because there was no intent to supplant, replace, or pass these bills as legal tender.

The government knows all this, it is their own ruling. Even though it regards constitutionally unauthorized money, these are the rules and positions they, themselves, have laid down regarding this money.

I fully expect all their legal troubles will go away after Ron Paul does not get the nomination of the Republican Party, even though he had no hand in the production of the coins.

This is an attack on free speech in an attempt to fix an election, so as not to get a consitutionalist in the White House, nothing less.

Of course, the owners of those medallions will be out huge sums in legal fees, but the government cannot show counterfeiting under the statutes and certainly not under the constitution. One caveat, it is possible with the state of American citizen apathy and ignorance, that a jury could be gulled by a corrupt judge abetting the corrupt prosecutor.

As to any attempted passing of these medallions as legal tender the charges should be laid against the individuals who so tried to use them. I would bet Liberty Dollars never once represented these medallions as legal tender. At most, they would have presented them as investments in precious metals.

The government knows it is wrong. It doesn't care. They have two chances to gain from this and no chance to lose. If in the best case scenarios the charges are dismissed, or second best scenario the owners are acquitted at trial, the government has still derailed any attention these medallions might have brought to a candidate every bureaucrat fears for his stance on the constitution.

In the worst case scenario, the judge is a soulmate of Jimm Larry Hendren and helps the state railroad an innocent man who has committed no crime, or aids the prosecution with an ignorant and pliable jury, they win the case, keep the precious metal and get bragging rights.

They have no downside. I fear before long the citizens of this country must supply them a dynamic downside.

This isn't about counterfeiting. Else the state would be going after every precious metal dealer that offer gold medallions for sale and they are not. Watch any late night television or read the back pages of any magazine and you will see advertisements for these medallions everywhere offered by many different vendors. The only difference is they don't have a likeness of a candidate for his party's nomination as a presidential aspirant.

What can you do but howl in mind-numbed helpless f...

2007-11-15T20:26:00.000-07:00

What can you do but howl in mind-numbed helpless frustration?