Comments on Pro Libertate: Their Right to Kill, Our Duty To Die: The Murder of Otto Zehm

This was so sad to read. TRENT Yohe, is actually m...

2013-09-29T11:21:05.844-06:00

This was so sad to read. TRENT Yohe, is actually my brother from my father before my father and mother met. MY FATHER WAS ESTRANGED FROM TRENT. When I was 15 my mother told me about trent, I looked him up and found him, we had a few phone conversations, and wrote each other a few times. We lost touch because he moved or something, many years I looked for him and found nothing. I hoped to one day meet him but now I know, that will never happen. The police are supposed to protect and save lives, not kill people. TRENT, very sad thing for his wife and especially his young daughter. God protect the people of Spokane from the crooked, forceful cops.

This article is so sad to me, my heart dropped whe...

2013-09-29T11:13:11.984-06:00

This article is so sad to me, my heart dropped when I heard about Trent. See, Trent is my brother from my father before my father married my mother. Though I never met him, only talked to him and we wrote back and fourth, when I was younger. For many years after loosing contact with trent, I looked for him on internet, white pages, information and couldn't find him, last year I googled him again and found out he was murderd by the police. So, sad this happened to him and his daughter has to grow up with out him. I live in michigan and thought some cities here had b ad police but Spokane seems to take the cake. Vigilante police?

Has anyone tried shunning the police? I don't...

2012-01-02T17:28:20.183-07:00

Has anyone tried shunning the police? I don't mean just avoiding contact with them, which any aware person does these days, but actively refusing to interact with them at all even when they are "off duty."--to not speak to them, sell anything to them, buy anything from them, lend anything to them, socialize with them, etc. Perhaps this practice would inspire them to find honest work.

Thought you'd get a kick out of this piece of ...

2012-01-01T20:34:20.736-07:00

Thought you'd get a kick out of this piece of pro-police propaganda. Lot's of stuff about how we can't believe what we see on cell phone or surveillance video of police brutality.
http://lcpubw04.lanecounty.org/information/yourlanevideos/LaneCountyDistrictAttorney_and_LawEnforcementAgencies.wmv

Well, Holder is currently seeking to phalanx furth...

2011-12-28T14:59:39.897-07:00

Well, Holder is currently seeking to phalanx further federal deputization of local police owing to the huge spike in gun-related porcine demise.

I would like to know if Mr. Grigg or other informed readers know of any way to get stats on the number of civilians killed in the line of existing, whether criminal suspects or assailants or not. If so, I think it would be a good chart to have to compare against the minuscule numbers of deceased cops.

I am surprised his head wasn't shaved.

2011-12-28T14:30:09.849-07:00

I am surprised his head wasn't shaved.

Once again, as long as the vast majority of the Am...

2011-12-27T09:54:44.507-07:00

Once again, as long as the vast majority of the Amoricon sheeple swallow the "cops as heroes in blue" BS (and it's obvious that most still do), incidents such as this will only grow more frequent in number and in intensity of violence. It saddens me to say it, but until more of you, your families, and your neighbors become victims of these thugscum pigs, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE and there will an endless number of Otto Zehms to mourn.

As I have often said, this kind of conduct only co...

2011-12-26T22:27:58.589-07:00

As I have often said, this kind of conduct only continues because we, the people, allow it to continue.

In any conflict, when only one side insists on restricting their actions with a code of ethical conduct, they will inevitably find themselves at the mercy of their adversary, who does not place such restrictions on their actions. And make no mistake - the people of the United States are now involved in a low-grade conflict with the federal government and all of its state and local auxiliaries.

We, the people, are not yet prepared for the moral and psychological cost of stooping to the same level of conduct frequently inflicted on us by those who would most accurately described as the American Ministerium für Staatssicherheit.

We are still human.
We still believe in Liberty and basic human rights.
We still choose to adhere to a basic code of moral conduct.
We still seek to serve and protect our fellow citizens.
We still love our nation and what it is supposed to stand for.
The Stasi serve only political masters.
The Stasi protect only themselves, and their power.

Another "heads up" from Grigg and the sa...

2011-12-25T10:18:01.726-07:00

Another "heads up" from Grigg and the sad reminder
that while the police are not legally obligated to
protect, we on the other hand are legally obligated
to submit.

The most sickening aspect of all of this, other than
the death and injury to the victims, is the inevitable
perjury offered up by these honorable police depts.

Rather than correct the problem, they only offer
excuse and loophole for bludgeoning us into
submission.

It ain't gonna stop.

It's funny to hear a cop say something along t...

2011-12-24T20:03:39.247-07:00

It's funny to hear a cop say something along the lines of "...if you find yourself in harm’s way, you need only call and one of us will come and risk our life to save yours..."

The majority of response are after the fact. My girlfriend was physically assaulted (knocked to the ground and kicked repeatedly) in Spokane, and the response was "stay there, an officer will be there in approximately 30 minutes." Needless to say, she walked home rather than staying in the area, and the only follow-up was a phone call two days later.

Rarely will a cop be in a situation to pro-actively and directly prevent harm to anyone. Their jobs mostly consist of cleaning up after the fact or providing revenue generation for the government that employs them.

You can't ever rely on the police to protect you from harm. You can only rely on yourself and those around you at the time of the incident.

Thank You Mr. Grigg for your efforts in righting w...

2011-12-24T11:42:49.647-07:00

Thank You Mr. Grigg for your efforts in righting wrongs and bringing them to the attention of those who care about corruption and dishonesty.
Merry Christmas.

Hang these murderous thugs with badges. I am sick ...

2011-12-24T08:15:02.258-07:00

Hang these murderous thugs with badges. I am sick of seeing police officers kill people at the drop of a hat, and given a free pass just because "they were doing their job." If that's the job, I say eliminate the position!

Indeed. They whine and cry about having their act...

2011-12-24T08:10:46.457-07:00

Indeed. They whine and cry about having their actions judged after the fact. Perhaps all criminals should adopt the police defense - you see, only a thief could tell that I faced a real threat...

Regarding a NRB - I worked in an EMS system that was more chummy than most with the police. Use of a NRB as a "spit guard" came up a lot, and yes, it's more than that, it's a means of compliance. Most come with only one flap, but if you take a second flap from another mask and put it on, and don't flow O2, it's frightening and easily blocked.

Tell me how these differ from the KGB/GRU/Gestapo?...

2011-12-23T22:28:47.864-07:00

Tell me how these differ from the KGB/GRU/Gestapo?

What happened to "Serve and Protect"?

Such pigs should HANG!

We're going to need a lot of rope.

Most cops are substance abusers. Many have been pr...

2011-12-23T21:49:04.717-07:00

Most cops are substance abusers. Many have been prescribed some pretty heavy duty anti-psychotic drugs that would deem the average citizen unfit to peddle a trycycle, let alone drive a police car or carry a weapon. You never know what kind of anti-psychotic drugs they're taking. Along with that many are alocholics. Between alcholism, anti-psychotic drugs and other substance abuses many should be declared unfit for duty.

It has become obvious that whenever you find yours...

2011-12-23T19:13:40.084-07:00

It has become obvious that whenever you find yourself in the presence of a cop you must immediately assume that you are in a life-threatening situation, no matter where you are or what you happen to be doing.
Perhaps we should all begin to stand perfectly still and raise our hands, even if a cop is spotted 50 feet away, and maintain that pose until the threat passes from view. I wonder how the "police force" would handle an ongoing bad PR situation of that magnitude? They deserve to find out.

Mr Grigg, Lately when I come across one of the &q...

2011-12-23T16:24:38.959-07:00

Mr Grigg,

Lately when I come across one of the "annoited" ones my default position is to place my hand above my head and lock my fingers together, I have had some strange looks my way when I do this, they don't see the sarcasm in this gesture, and they surely can't say I was reaching for a gun or hiding my hands...

Cederq
Kevin Cederquist

Perhaps the time has come to abolish all Federal (...

2011-12-23T16:16:18.432-07:00

Perhaps the time has come to abolish all Federal (Nazional), state, county, and local "law enforcement."

I had to comment on this before I read the story, ...

2011-12-23T15:48:36.919-07:00

I had to comment on this before I read the story, mostly because I spent about two weeks during the summer reading your entire archives and I am a big fan. I actually used a few of your quotes and people thought they were genius. I love the one where you call police a "thugscrum," and "write an extortion note euphemistically referred to as a traffic citation." Brilliant. Brilliant because it is true. I am just wondering why you have not yet delved into the Occupy Wallstreet movement. I am a grad student right now and just wanted to congratulate you for being an outstanding writer. (Even if I cannot support your writing by purchasing your books at the moment, I can at least offer you a loyal reader of your blog and check several times a week to see if you update.)

Mike, you're obviously better qualified than I...

2011-12-23T12:27:49.466-07:00

Mike, you're obviously better qualified than I am to address the use of the NRB mask. It is "silly" to use a mask of that type as a spit shield, but that's the official story here.

The criminal and civil complaints in this case said that the mask was used the shield the police, not to treat the victim, and emphasized that it wasn't used properly. Mention was also made of the fact that the small opening in that mask left Zehm particularly vulnerable to suffocation, given the face-down position in which he was restrained.

One point I neglected to mention was that the mask was not in the physical evidence provided to the ME after Zehm's death. I think that's a potentially significant detail.

Dear Mr. Grigg, I just have a disagreement with r...

2011-12-23T11:01:19.219-07:00

Dear Mr. Grigg,

I just have a disagreement with regards to the use of the NRB (Non-re-breather mask).

Typically speaking - anyone who is 'at risk for' or 'currently suffering from' "hypoxia" is placed on NRB. Hooked up to 100% oxygen (with regulated flow ofcourse).

You typically can't suffocate a person with a simple NRB (even if it's NOT hooked up to oxygen) - it doesn't seal the airway (i.e. outside air leaks in).

Personally - using a NRB because the patient was spitting is silly. I would've just used a simple mask (think the kind surgeons wear when operating to cover their mouth and nose).

Somehow, Mr. Grigg - I suspect that the EMTs placed a NRB on the patient because he was SOB/hypoxic/at-risk-for-hypoxia... with the added 'bonus' that someone forgot to hook up the O2 to the mask...

Pathetic, I feel only contempt for every law enfor...

2011-12-23T08:23:16.637-07:00

Pathetic, I feel only contempt for every law enforcement thug in this country today. Good ones?, good ones would be turning in and arresting their fellow felons.

The police, and indeed NO government entity of any...

2011-12-23T07:28:08.710-07:00

The police, and indeed NO government entity of any kind, has any legal obligation to "protect" or defend any individual under any circumstances, except when specifically contracted... as in a "witness protection" program. And I would certainly not put a lot of faith into that sort of protection in any case.

Just ask the next cop you dare talk to. I'm sure there are a few who don't really know (can they actually tie their shoes all by themselves?), but most will bluff or lie rather than tell the truth.

Their job... their ONLY real job, is to protect the government entity they work for and maintain suitable control for the convenience of themselves and their real employers... which isn't YOU.

You are on your own for self defense, like it or not. I wonder how long people will continue to tolerate any of this "only one" criminal behavior.

Nothing is more convincing that the so-called &quo...

2011-12-23T07:05:06.862-07:00

Nothing is more convincing that the so-called "civil" police are nothing more than an occupying army, than their own words.

Sure, 26 "died in the line of duty" in a century and a half. How many people has the police department killed?

This is the corruption of Sovereign Immunity, and no greater condemnation of the institution exists than their own actions. Abolish the police department now, before more die.

Great article! Minor quibble: you're missing a...

2011-12-22T21:50:44.608-07:00

Great article! Minor quibble: you're missing a space in the quote in the final sentence: "This is notan indictment"