Comments on Pro Libertate: The Rape of Delaware County, Oklahoma

I know you pissed earl but making statements like ...

2015-03-19T08:47:19.737-06:00

I know you pissed earl but making statements like this really aren't in your best interest . If you want to expose it fine..use the brains god gave you and do it right..violence isn't ok and our children and grandchildren will grow up here..they need to be educated not filled with hate..thats what has caused these problems..greed hate and revenge so why be hypocritical and do the same thing? Trust me I've been angry I get it but violence isn't the answer things can be changed in other ways! 😊

Interesting - you claim they are corrupt when nobo...

2014-05-23T01:22:34.116-06:00

Interesting - you claim they are corrupt when nobody is still in office from that era. also - you are lying - so there's your post. This article is also filled with inconsistencies - those who were really involved in the case know the truth - this was perpetrated by a lawyer whose wife was given a speeding ticket and she retaliated - there you go delaware county the gag order prevents the truth from coming out - it's over grow up and quit whining.

I was one of thr girls involved in the governors c...

2014-03-01T08:46:09.075-07:00

I was one of thr girls involved in the governors case . I was raped several times we are in a civil case just went to setlement session i turned down there offer i hope our jurors can see these two men used there power and intimidated all five of us please people write your congress man governors DOC and DCS are corrupt we will go to court sometime in march or april unless they call for another settlement session im sorry but 180,000 isnt engough for the torture i endurded never having a choice if i had to go back there monday thru freday someone respomd make this more than some backpage article

I KNEW the girl that was awarded the largest sum i...

2013-05-15T22:26:21.814-06:00

I KNEW the girl that was awarded the largest sum if money from the rape lawsuit, she was u think the only one that was actually raped. The rest were molested and such. Anyway i just wanted to share that....she was a good lady had been sober three yrs after she was awarded the money she died due to complications in surgery.
Delaware county is worse than crooked its a joke.....and so are the judges and officials.

Great blog William and I'm thankful for people...

2012-11-21T10:27:48.224-07:00

Great blog William and I'm thankful for people like you who aren't afraid to write about corruption in rural America. Western Oklahoma is very troubling and if I ever break my story it could draw national attention. "If you want to get away with murder go to Beckham County Oklahoma, but just don't write a hot check" Paul Harvey www.saveacab.blogspot.com

Many think Jefferson said that but it was Ford. T...

2012-10-05T10:15:03.568-06:00

Many think Jefferson said that but it was Ford. True it is.

Jefferson said....
"To attain all this (universal republicanism), however, rivers of blood must yet flow, and years of desolation pass over; yet the object is worth rivers of blood, and years of desolation."

It is way beyond time for revolution. However I get through my small issue in Bernice, I believe it is necessary to destroy nearly every person in government in order to regain liberty. No doubt they would call me a traitor or terrorist. But it is they who are such. And it is the duty of every freedom-loving patriot to destroy these domestic enemies.

The Founding Father made laws to protect the people, not to protect the governemnt from the people. In fact the Second Amendment ensures that the people can exterminate the government when it turns into a tyranny.

Unfortunately the government has way better weapons so I don't know what we will do when the decide to nuke some of us. The new show on ABC, 'Last Resort' gives me warm fuzzies since it seems, in the story at least, there is hope that the people can takem control of some nukes in order to keep the government in line. I can only hope that something like that really happens because I believe our government will murder millions of women a children again, just as they did in Japan. Though our side might be forced to do the same, it is the lesser of two evils. They kill to ensure their power. We kill to defend our liberty from them. It isn't ideal to say the least, but is the only option we may have.

Earl Salisbury

Earl, stating that you are an idiot may have been ...

2012-10-04T12:26:28.110-06:00

Earl, stating that you are an idiot may have been a bit harsh, but it did get your attention. I am they kind of person who shoots straight from the hip, as some would say. You can do more damage if you follow the law set forth. Granted everyone gets upset and in your case, rightly so. BUT, with that said, shooting off your mouth in rants about how you are going to hurt someone, is one of the main reasons our fore fathers brought forth laws. If everyone were to run around hurting those who he "thinks" is the problem we would have anarchy. I am a firm believer in our fore fathers and I agree that government has gone too far, and that is why I gave you creditable information in how the fight you ticket, the legal way. If you don't wish to go about this in a civil matter, go forth and prosper. Let those down in which you so highly speak. A great man once said, "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." If you are a true man of your word, you will know who said it, without looking it up, and know that a man that great believed in something more than tyranny. Good day to you and good luck.

I am no more an idiot than the Founding Fathers we...

2012-09-28T09:07:39.114-06:00

I am no more an idiot than the Founding Fathers were! For over 150 years we have lived under tyranny. Millions have been murdered. If no one is even willing to say it let alone do it then a Revolution won't happen. And a Revolution we must have.
Whoever you are... how do I know you are not a government criminal just trying to smooth this situation over so I won't stir up any more trouble? Giving me an out. Perhaps you are the judge. If so help in a truly ethical way. Rule that my assertion that this government is illegitimate is true and that they therefore cannot enforce any law and must be immediately removed.

In any case, I will not bow before the domestic terrorists who like to call themselves our government.

Earl Salisbury

Earl, no offense, but you are an idiot. Making wri...

2012-09-16T10:29:11.133-06:00

Earl, no offense, but you are an idiot. Making written threats and stating that you will do something like that by force only gives people like Travis credit. Instead, use your anger in a more productive way. Take pictures of the area you were stopped and cited. If you were cited on the bridge etc, then you got a free ride. Thats out of his area of enforcement. If you were in town, was he stopped and running radar? If so determine how far you were from the location prior to being stopped and cited. If at any time he had to exceed the posted speed limit to stop you, he too is at fault and could be cited. The only time sworn police officers are allowed to exceed the speed limit is "Life Threatening" situations. if you were traveling less than 15mph over the posted speed limit that is not considered life threatening. Another, have the officer show you and the judge the daily testing sheet that is required for the radar unit. Radar units must be tested before and after shift to hold up in court. Also, ask when the last time the Radar Unit was calibrated by a licensed person. Ask for the records to show to the judge, if those items cannot be supplied, then the ticket is not valid. With all that in mind, don't make silly threats that can be traced back to you in such a manner. Makes you look bad and does not help you in court. Just some advice. Free even! Just imagine how the Mayor must feel right now. He just found out that Travis was secretly tring to leave for another job in Kansas. The Mayor put his neck out for this fool and now it is getting chopped off. I guess Travis is not as loyal and respectful as he tried to make himself out to be. It is quite clear that he is a self centered, ego seeking chubby creep. Mayor, we told you so!!!

Well nothing but another court date. Is ther anyo...

2012-09-10T20:54:24.172-06:00

Well nothing but another court date. Is ther anyone in bernice willing to do what it takes to remove these criminals even if it means doing it by force?
Earl Salisbury

BTW, In 1.5 hours (5:30pm on 9/10/2012) I will be ...

2012-09-10T15:10:13.520-06:00

BTW,
In 1.5 hours (5:30pm on 9/10/2012) I will be going to Bernice for my court appearance over a speeding ticket which I will refuse to pay to a corrupt city government.
The good people of Bernice are welcome to come down and watch me get arrested, back me up or even help me remove this illegitimate government. The choice is theirs. There are way more of them than the tiny group of people that make up the Bernice Mafia. Do not fear them, stand up and say no! They will back down and leave town if you just stand up to them.
Earl Salisbury

I live in Delaware county and I am sick of these c...

2012-08-30T19:37:31.604-06:00

I live in Delaware county and I am sick of these corrupt scumbags.

Listen to me people and listen carefully. These are dangerous people. I daresay if I disappear or come up dead you had better believe someone in the corrupt government or police force did it.

No one will help us stop this so there is only one solution. The Founding Fathers of the USA found that solution. I have told cops and the DA that I believe that we should surround the courthouse, armed .... and do what must be done. If we start getting rid of these criminals, those that survive will flee the county.

The question is, how many of your are brave enough to wage a revolutionary war in Delaware county? Or are you happy with these corrupt cops who have sex with underage girls in exchange for letting them off of a ticket? Or a County government that forces every citizen to pay for the crime of rape? It goes on and on. Lets do something about it now.
Earl Salisbury.

Well the answer to this debate is simple. The mayo...

2012-06-11T15:36:54.861-06:00

Well the answer to this debate is simple. The mayor elects the council in the form of singular elections that you are never made aware of or straight out elects them to office. ALL of the city government is elected and hand picked by Mayor Raven. The water clerk, water meter reader, city clerk (who also holds the position of court clerk), the members of town council (which are also the members of the water board), the zoning and corections board---all hand picked by Mayor Raven.

Why, you ask, does he do this? BECAUSE the board elects the mayor. All this is why the people of Bernice petitioned to have an audit performed by the Oklahoma State Auditor and Investigator's office. We were looking for assistance from a higher power so that the rotation of power would come to an end. Mayor Bill Raven MUST be stopped.

The little Town of Bernice has not seen a change for the good of the people in over 12 years. We don't even have water that is fit for consumption. Is your water dark gray or black in color half of the summer? Do you smell worse after a shower than before? This after Mayor Raven spent $150K (+/-) of a water grant "bettering" our water system?

There is major corruption going on in Bernice--and yes, it goes all the way up the ladder and into the County Office levels. That's why the City has not been forced to pay back the $140,000(+/-) wrongly collected dollars. It is also why no criminal charges have been filed regarding the laws they, as a whole, or Mayor Raven himself have broken regarding the Open Meetings Act or any of the other findings in the audit.

The law CLEARLY states that ignorance of the law is no excuse and does not exempt you from responsibility, but---ignorance seems to be working just fine as an excuse for Mayor Bill Raven. "I didn't know it was wrong (snicker). I thought that's how business was done (laugh). Hey, that's how it is and I'm not goin to change. I've been doing it this way all along and it works for us".

The biggest opposition facing the people of Bernice is the fact that no matter who we tell of he goings on--the response is always "Oh, that can't really be happening. There are laws to prevent that from happening. The Mayor and City Council don't have that kind of power".

Well, in the case of the Town of Bernice they must have that kind of power---because NO ONE is doing anything about it. Bill Raven and his APPOINTED COUNCIL have done it in the past and continue to do it right up to this very minute.
The proper documentation, Schedule of Fees and Fines, etc still have not been correctly filed with the County Clerk's office or been properly posted, yet there are more written every day.

The crimes against the people of Bernice by this dictating, self proclaimed leader must cease so that this little town can once again be proud and the people who used to visit us bringing revenue and new business to our area will return.

Dave, yet the reality is that short of instituting...

2012-05-31T14:29:23.388-06:00

Dave, yet the reality is that short of instituting an oppressive police state that even the blind civil rights watchdogs of the Federal government would notice, it is impossible for a government to persist in power without the consent of the governed. It may be a grudging consent in some cases, but it is consent nevertheless.

As to how they get elected and stay elected, that&...

2012-05-31T10:09:11.178-06:00

As to how they get elected and stay elected, that's simple. The elections are just as crooked as they are. Elections held on obscure Tuesdays, the real election being the primary, not the general, voting restricted to members of the party, the party so odious that no one wants to join it. If that's not enough, people who want to run as reformers are generally discouraged from doing so. Finally, a lot of these towns are run by the friends and descendants of the people who founded them, which in Oklahoma's case, was a century ago. Private family fiefdoms, or why do you suppose this went on for 25 years and will likely continue, one way or another?

I don't know the facts about Delaware County, but I would guess that one or more of these factors apply. Like as not the better high school grads leave town.

I have no sympathy for the good folk of the county...

2012-05-30T15:14:02.543-06:00

I have no sympathy for the good folk of the county who kept re-electing these rattlesnakes to office year after year and now find themselves burdened to pay onerous taxes to pay off the lawsuit settlement. These venomous creatures weren't imposed on Delaware County by some foreign dictator or something. They were downright *electorated* by the majority of voters in that county, a majority that apparently had no problem with electing these folks to office year after year probably 'cause "they keep the darkies in their place" or some such nonsense.

There's a sayin', ya lie down with rattlesnakes, ya end up snake-bitten. 'Nuff said.

yup, I live in “Liberalland", Rhode Island, a...

2012-05-28T06:00:28.245-06:00

yup,
I live in “Liberalland", Rhode Island, and I assure you the cops and courts are just as crooked and dirty as any where in "Redneckland".
As my brother in law once stated, "city people are smarter then country people- they just don't show it."

http://video.turnto10.com/v/51576177/i-team-school-bus-cameras.htm?q=school+bus+trafic+tickets

Dear Liberrantor, Apology accepted. : )

2012-05-25T16:45:27.133-06:00

Dear Liberrantor,

Apology accepted.

: )

It appears that my first post struck a raw nerve w...

2012-05-24T23:22:25.765-06:00

It appears that my first post struck a raw nerve with William’s regular readership. What apparently perturbs my detractors is that I failed to dispense equal criticism to that other long-entrench pernicious entity that is devouring the other half of what was once these United States. I refer, of course, to “Liberalland,” which some prefer to call “Egalitarianland”(an appellation I find much too cumbersome). Like its ideological and temperamental opposite, Liberalland is characterized by the same negative traits, albeit of a different flavor, and is also less of a geographical entity than a state of mind and being. Like its nemesis, Liberalland can also be broadly defined as consisting of certain specific geographical regions, but not amenable to being rigidly categorized as such due to large pockets existing outside of its traditional strongholds.

The reason I did not mention or excoriate it in my initial post is because it was not relevant to the subject of William’s article. The disgraceful and unconscionable acts of state-sanctioned theft that William describes did not take place inside the People’s Socialist Democratic Republic of Massachusetts or the People’s Jamahariyah of New York, nor were the excuses for the theft offered up by the powers that be of the locality in which the events took place wrapped in the insipid “greater good” patina characteristic of the kleptoligarchies of the aforementioned two regions. Had all of this been the case, then “Liberalland,” along with the specially insipid flavors associated with the generic negatives common to both regions/states of mind would have been the topic of my rant. That this was not the case and that I did not give “equal time” appears to be the real point of contention here.

My point is that whether the object of my invective was “Redneckland” or “Liberalland,” both of these concepts embody, to me, a dark collectivism that is devoid of critical thought and that is ultimately destructive to a society that is supposed to be based on the natural law and the rights and protection of the individual.

In closing, let me apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings. I’ll try to be more equitable in doing so next time.

Why has there not already been armed and violent o...

2012-05-24T21:20:00.212-06:00

Why has there not already been armed and violent overthrow of something itself armed and violent?

Athens County, Georgia, 1946.

There's nothing wrong with violence... 1776 and all that.

Force and violence are perfectly natural responses to abuse and mistreatment!

If someone strikes thee on one cheek, turn not the other, but SMASH him on his!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html

Excellent article (as usual). Police powers as wel...

2012-05-24T15:24:10.382-06:00

Excellent article (as usual). Police powers as well as those of prosecutors and judges are out-of-control in this country. And to have an elected council that doesn't seem to answer to their constituents is abhorrent. But, will the Sheeple vote them out of office? Hopefully Mr. Miller will be the focal point of a movement to throw them all out on their ears.

Great article! It would be considered Pulitzer Pr...

2012-05-24T14:14:19.495-06:00

Great article! It would be considered Pulitzer Prize nominated material if such investigative journalism really mattered to the Powers that Be...

William, Good article, dig a little deeper into t...

2012-05-24T11:13:57.576-06:00

William,
Good article, dig a little deeper into the new Police Chief. I look forward to reading what you find out. Look into the death of one of his officers when he was fired. Good reading. Sad situation. Very sad.

I have to weigh in with Anonymous as regarding lib...

2012-05-24T04:35:40.711-06:00

I have to weigh in with Anonymous as
regarding liberranter's comments.

Oklahoma has no corner on the
wave of police oppression sweeping
our country.

A very good example is the
Nancy Genovese case:

http://www.murthalawfirm.com/mother-3-arrested-pictures-tourist-attraction-airport

In fact, I would propose that the
worst abuses are occurring in the
northern urban areas as in
comparison with southern
equivalents and in greater
proportion and severity.

As usual, most just go with the
scary southern stereotype which
in and of itself is a conditioned
and bigoted reaction.

Liberanter, What you have in Oklahoma is no differ...

2012-05-23T23:09:53.480-06:00

Liberanter, What you have in Oklahoma is no different than every other state: busybody statists who take it upon themselves to inflict their dictatorial diktats upon their long suffering and all too silent majority. There are other "less oppressive" environs but that's because they've not been overrun yet by settlers from leftist colonies who maintain their demented delusions.