Comments on Pro Libertate: Death Squad in Delaware: The Case of the Murdered Marine (UPDATED)

This isn't rare in Wilmington. The police and ...

2013-09-13T08:50:27.268-06:00

This isn't rare in Wilmington. The police and government do what they want there, and because outside parties won't involve themselves in the affairs of this corrupt place, they get away with them.

The murder of Mr. Hale was a damm shame not to men...

2009-01-02T17:40:00.000-07:00

The murder of Mr. Hale was a damm shame not to mention a slap in the face to any U.S. veteran or tax paying citizen. Even a blind man can see there is something wrong with a system that would allow a group of trigger happy weekend warriors (who’s normal 9 to 5 excitement consists of a speeding ticket to some seventeen year old) to execute an innocent man solely based on his club affiliation.

I’ve grown up and lived around pagans my whole life, and in my opinion I would sooner trust my life (that’s right MY LIFE) in the hands of a member of the P, M, C, rather than an officer of the law.

To Mr. Hale, R.I.P. I only hope that your family & brothers (both U.S.M.C. & P.M.C.) win the fight and proper justice will served to the individuals responsible for your murder.
P,F,F,P

The murder of Mr. Hale was a damm shame not to men...

2009-01-02T03:17:00.000-07:00

The murder of Mr. Hale was a damm shame not to mention a slap in the face to any U.S. veteran or tax paying citizen. Even a blind man can see that there’s a problem with a system that would allow a group of trigger happy weekend warriors (who’s normal 9 to 5 excitement consists writing a speeding to some seventeen year old) to unjustly execute an innocent man solely based on his club affiliation.

I’ve grown up around the pagans my whole life, and in my opinion I would sooner trust my life with a member of the Pagans M,C, rather than any officer of the law.

well what really sucks is that a very high percent...

2008-08-24T19:19:00.000-06:00

well what really sucks is that a very high percentage of california police are very brutal. and many times more than others they use excessive brutal force. in this case it sucks that it happened to a person that thought this was a good country to fight for. too bad he was MURDERED by one of his own.

poor guy and infront of his family. if we were related there would be some serious consequences for those involved.

you people care now?oh how sweet..this has been ha...

2008-04-29T23:32:00.000-06:00

you people care now?oh how sweet..this has been happening to normal US citizens for years lol enjoy your stinking pitt of fail.now that they care not what tie you wear,it is a problem..to late..

Ok, first off did the Wilmington Police Department...

2008-04-23T20:24:00.000-06:00

Ok, first off did the Wilmington Police Department's vice team act improperly and disobey their training yes. But on the other hand all of you people INCLUDING the author I'd like to know were you there did you see this happen? I highly and I do mean highly doubt that you did. So who are you to say how the police did or did not react? It's like the old addage "Do you believe everything thing you hear", well obviously you do.

For everyone criticizing police officers, I'm curious how many of you are one? I can ZERO of you are or you'd be a little more perceptive, on how dangerous it is to do the job. So for those of you how are "slamming" the cops do the job then you'll have room to talk.

As for the weapons that were allegedly on Hale's body; pepper spray that can be bought in any sporting good store, and switch blade are a weapon not to mention still ILLEGAL. By the way for the comments similar to "its just a knife" A person with a knife can is considered lethal within 15feet because it takes the average human under 2 seconds to close the distance. While a gun has range the police have vests, the body armor doesn't stop knives for those of you who are ballistic and personal safety experts.

Oh and one last thing to join a gang like that you have to be a prospect first and prospects do the gang's dirty work. Just some food for thought for the experts and anti governmental idiots out there.

Roy -- assuming that you come back and read this t...

2008-01-12T18:24:00.000-07:00

Roy -- assuming that you come back and read this thread -- could you please get in touch with me directly? My e-mail is WNGrigg [at] msn [dot] com.

I have just been released from Prison after one ye...

2008-01-12T18:18:00.000-07:00

I have just been released from Prison after one year as one of the indicted associates of Derek Hale. And until I saw this link I thought that Superintendant MacLeish's tactics to Distract and Misdirect attention from Derek's murder had been successful. Thank you for this stunning presentation of the facts and the truth.
It is a matter of record in DE that there has Never been a shooting by police which has been found to be unwarrented by their internal investigations.
Attorney General "Beau" Biden; Son of Presidential Candidate and Delaware incumbant US Senator Joe Biden is complicit in a Conspiracy with the DSP to Distort and Fabricate and Subvert evidence in order to make this go away.
Derek was my friend and my neighbor.
His wife Elaine tells me the story of how their daughter woke in the dead of night screaming; "The Police Are Coming to Kill Us".
I don't think that SuperIntendant MacLeish's PR efforts will convince that small child.
She will forever fear and hate police. Welcome to Delaware, the Uganda of the Americas.

Roy

A way to help offset rogue police officers is to h...

2007-10-11T13:35:00.000-06:00

A way to help offset rogue police officers is to have them pay into an insurance policy as like that of our local physicians; malpractice. If an offending officer, like a physician, has too many claims against him, the said officer cannot pay for insurance and can no longer practice/be employed. This also may help keep rogue officers that commit offenses in one jurisdiction from transfering to another jurisdiction that has no knowledge of the other offenses. JMO!

The only way to get rid of those types of cops is ...

2007-07-02T16:11:00.000-06:00

The only way to get rid of those types of cops is by killing them or having enough local political connections to get them fired. Unfortunately most people don't have the connections for the latter. If that was my fiend or brother I would have to pay Mr. Browns family a visit and show him how it feels.

Jesus Murphy. Every time I read a story like this ...

2007-05-11T21:31:00.000-06:00

Jesus Murphy. Every time I read a story like this I have to restrain myself from picking up a rifle.

Delware Police should join foices with the Fairfax...

2007-05-04T11:39:00.000-06:00

Delware Police should join foices with the Fairfax County Police Depart (Virginia). Fairfax P.D. shot and murdered an unarmed Doctor named Sal Culosi. The murdering police officer was only given a 3 week paid leave of absence. See www.justiceforsal.com

RE:William N. Grigg-I agree Will. As far to often ...

2007-04-05T00:19:00.000-06:00

RE:William N. Grigg-

I agree Will. As far to often is the Case these days. It is becoming a prevailent item to see people jusy suspected of being dangerous gunned down by Police, in the name of their self preservation in the line of duty. But what is even more apparent is the increase in those who are killed without any provacation against the arresting officers?
Notice to this isn't just happening to ceratin minority groups. It's happening to everyone .
Federal Government intrusions into policing matters, in communities is stoking a Kettle of Rotten.

Police gun down suspected persons for suspected crimes, yet our streets run rampant with gangs and drug dealers and rapists, and Murderers which seem to cease without end. If the people had a right to defend themselves. The good God fearing people, would prevail eventually!

It is interesting how most lefties, especially tho...

2007-04-04T07:56:00.000-06:00

It is interesting how most lefties, especially those who seem to define themselves as a function of George Bush, want citizens disarmed, as do many police. Are you sure you are against a police state, or are you one of it's primary proponents?

Will said:So by all means, let the "official" side...

2007-04-04T00:13:00.000-06:00

Will said:

So by all means, let the "official" side of the story be heard -- preferably from the people directly involved in this incident, on the witness stand, under oath and the appropriate penalties for perjury.

I agree. All involved and those who witnessed it should be there to put it all on the table for a jury. What goes down in the courtroom might be the closest thing anyone will ever get to the "official story". Heck, the "official story" might give rise to even more questions/suspicions.

Anon2:I have thought ever since I came upon this b...

2007-04-03T22:09:00.000-06:00

Anon2:

I have thought ever since I came upon this blog the readers were probably more inclined than not to agree with the thrust of whatever Will put forth.

Being a neophyte with this method of communication (blog) has taught me plenty; never assume that readers will ingest and agree with the point of Will's essay. I figured readers would discuss/dispute little tidbits found therein, but would still agree with the major points. I think what invited The War on Fred more than anything else was the length of my description of Pagans in my earlier posts.

I admire the fire you have in your belly. I'm sure my earlier posts did nothing but add fuel to that fire. Anyone attempting to harbor a similar inferno to mine when it comes to the right topics is OK with me.

I offer my apologies for not starting my earliest posts with some words that would've informed the reader that this appears to be yet another tragedy at the hands of government.

I will, however, stand by my distrust of what the newspapers report. I just can't do it. Who said, "Believe none of what hear, and half of what you see."?

I think this event will be brought into the light just as the Atlanta case was. The last I heard they're looking at three of them being brought up on murder charges. Stay tuned........

Would've got back sooner, but I was laying tile past few days. The weather hasn't been kind to my joints.

You know what? I'd LOVE to see the "official versi...

2007-04-02T18:36:00.000-06:00

You know what? I'd LOVE to see the "official version" of this event, as soon as the people responsible for killing Derek Hale agree on one. Admittedly, they're at something of a disadvantage, given that 1) Derek wasn't carrying a firearm; 2) all of the eyewitnesses on the scene agree there was NO REASON to shoot him; and 3) the police establishment has been caught in a lie trying to create a plausible cover story for this event.

So by all means, let the "official" side of the story be heard -- preferably from the people directly involved in this incident, on the witness stand, under oath and the appropriate penalties for perjury.

I'd love to see a clinical, dispassionate examination of this matter through the adversarial process. But it's going to be pretty difficult to wring the drama from a story involving the killing of a young Marine combat veteran and step-father to two children who was gunned down by police for no damn reason.

I would like to see the other, hopefully less dram...

2007-04-02T17:39:00.000-06:00

I would like to see the other, hopefully less dramatisized, version of the events.

Marty? I grew up with cops from all different part...

2007-04-02T01:04:00.000-06:00

Marty? I grew up with cops from all different parts in the service to the public, State patrol, County Sheriffs and City police.

And nearly none of you folks have a clue what kind of law you even serve now a days. None of the police I ever knew would of taken the actions in this case as what was done by these officers, Never!

Most of you Modern Cops don't even take a second to even consider if you are breaking the US constitutional laws of this Land & BoR, in delving out justice onto your own neighbors.

You're falling under the same trance as our troops are. We are only doing what we are told.

Take your blinders off Marty!

The Law of the land isn't what it's suppose to be, and statutes and acts are not laws Marty!

Get a Blacks law dictionary Marty.

What does register mean Marty? It means, "To Beg"

Marty? I grew up with cops from all different part...

2007-04-02T01:00:00.000-06:00

At 8:02 PM , Fred said...-----For the record:I do ...

2007-03-31T23:17:00.000-06:00

At 8:02 PM , Fred said...
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For the record:
I do not condone- even subtly- what happened to Hale.
I do not believe ANYONE should be gunned down by Da Man unless Da Man or someone else is in fear/risk of death or serious bodily injury.
I do not believe Hale's Pagan affiliation qualifies him for an execution.
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For the record even though I saw these words before I never read them or processed them in my mind until now. I was still angered about the earlier posts.

I still think that much of this may have been avoided if these words or similar are mentioned in your first post.

Government collaborators or mismanagers post and check regularly in chat rooms or forums where improper government authority is challenged. I use to check the "who visited log" on one particular site where that information was available. All sorts of people up to the DOJ looked in regularly.

Collaborators in my mind are any who support "legalized plunder"; that is the making of unlawful as legal or the lawful as illegal by legislation at the expense of Life, Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of Happiness.

As with the many collaborators none I’ve dealt with ever consider they are never wrong or ever apologized. I must admit you have done both the best you can from your point of view. Quite frankly if I had not been so impassioned by your first words in retrospect I would have dropped the discussion after your 8:02 post.

So now, I offer my apology to you Fred and anyone else that read my later comments for the excess of words provided by me; that surely must have appeared as piling on, badgering and trying to keep an argument going for no good reason. Please forgive me.

William,

If you would delete the following posts of mine, it would be appreciated; they add nothing to the discussion after Fred’s 8:02 PM post.

1) At 11:21 PM , Anon2 said...
2) At 7:39 PM , Anon2 said...
3) At 12:00 PM , Anonymous said...
Thank you.

Anonymous, I've admittedly been less than diligent...

2007-03-31T21:36:00.000-06:00

Anonymous, I've admittedly been less than diligent in editing this thread. For future reference I'm going to have to post some basic rules of decorum, but even though I have plenary authority over my own forum I'd prefer not to impose ex post facto rules.

I love this blog, but I am quite surprised at the ...

2007-03-31T20:22:00.000-06:00

I love this blog, but I am quite surprised at the language allowed - especially after the host requested the language be cleaned up. Why aren't you editing the posts, Will?

Fred,You talk about the obvious.This is my first v...

2007-03-31T13:00:00.000-06:00

Fred,

You talk about the obvious.

This is my first visit to this blog. By the other responses here would it be reasonable and logical (obvious) for me to view your words as I do? If I were the only one writing this, you might have a point.

Oh, I like the use of your words “no-brainer”. Thank you for humbling yourself to those of us lacking in brains. Perhaps you might clean and set the table first before you throw food for thought on it first. That’s my “no-brainer”. Once again, you're in the apologetics mode because, and as I wrote earlier, you could have at least set the table for what might have been just information to be considered.

Your most recent words once again have not openly conveyed an idea of horror or that you feel sickened by what occurred to Hale. Your words have polarized and any so-called good message is completely lost on me; I don't know about the rest here. You sound like a defense attorney having an academic discussion as to why Mr. Hale was unfortunately killed and not to the horrors of a man who may have been murdered. You have not displayed one bit of empathy for the loss of his life. That is an “obvious” “no-brainer”.

I am angered, horrified, outraged that, as described, a man was cut down as if less-than-an animal. I am further angered, horrified, outraged and livid by legal political posturing as if only academic discussion and not so much about blood spilled; the unnecessary loss of life; those affected by the loss and any responsibility.

I think you did look for understanding as to why you are getting such negative feedback. From my point of view, I've done the best that I can to give you feedback.

Look at it from a point of politics. Even if Hillary Clinton were to become God's chosen prophet for the upcoming election, I don't think she'll become a guest speaker at the Republican presidential convention. (I'm not endorsing any party just making a point. In fact I am a born again individualist. I do think that Rod Paul would be a good choice regardless of his present party affiliation.)

I think until your words identify with the "obvious" you’re just spitting into the wind.

Do you realize that mad dogs and wild animals that are a threat to society are given every chance to be captured alive or deterred before killing them. It is as if you think of Mr. Hale as less-than-human or animal. By the story and facts given can you say that Mr. Hale was treated as if he had even the rights of animals?! No but, because of his association with ill reputes, as you wrote he deserved less right to live or due process of even animals. “Of course” you never actually say this do you? However, your first and longest writing are about an association with the “Pagans”. So if by subtle inference, “he got what he deserved” or “he shouldn’t have been doin’ that”. That is diminishing the evil and deterring from the real obvious and self-evident.

Even if Mr. Hale were the ring leader of the Pagans and there was a lawful warrant, is it your position that Mr. Hale a man tasered 3 times, vomiting, walking in an uncontrollable manner, claiming he could not move his arms should be shot 3 times and killed?! Is this the officer’s first experience with someone being tasered?!

“Of course” you've written otherwise regarding "due process" or the legalism of it. In my anger toward your callous, hollow and shallow words, I still can't read anything else.

Mr. Hale simply had a right to live

Anon2

I will not repeat myself anymore on the subject of Fred. I have been clear enough.

"Now, it might seem silly to compare a traffic tic...

2007-03-31T11:49:00.000-06:00

"Now, it might seem silly to compare a traffic ticket to the blatant murder being discussed here."

Not to me. Not one bit. That's because you're integrating both episodes by way of principles. (This is what I had in mind when I commended "marty" to remedial work on "basic principles of our political relationship".)

There was once a time when an honest-to-god man of a cop would have simply informed you to take a different street, and taken the simple and common-sense observation that refusing to back over pedestrians did not constitute a failure of "the attitude test".

These bastards are fully intent on their "us vs. them" concept of the political relationship, now. They're not even thinking about it any more. I hit on this with my piont #2, above ("Procedure' now precludes the application of reason in these cases."), and this is cruicially important:

We're talking about a rotely trained mentality essentially no different at all from the one that once stood around herding human beings into cattle-cars without hearing the sound of its own human conscience. The only difference is that these people have not yet been ordered to do that.

When that depth of amoral non-thinking is combined with the ferocity that we're seeing in cops, now, it's very hard to come up with a more horribly tragic political condition in America, ladies and gentlemen: "The Land of the Fre and the Home of the Brave."

"Us vs. Them."

They really need to start thinking -- each and every single individual one of them, on their own -- about what that really means.