Comments on Pro Libertate: Accusers as "Victims": A Case Study

A claim described as decades-old "common know...

2015-08-20T16:53:55.164-06:00

A claim described as decades-old "common knowledge" by someone who remains anonymous falls short of the threshold of anecdotal evidence. Neither David nor anybody in his immediate family has said anything to validate this supposed "common knowledge."

I will grant that the claim you make is no more implausible than the "evidence" that was used in this case to imprison a patently innocent man.

I grew up a few blocks from David and it was commo...

2015-08-20T15:47:51.879-06:00

I grew up a few blocks from David and it was common knowledge that David was sexually abused by a youth perpetrator also from the neighborhood. While this proves nothing in terms of this specific case, it can, at least anecdotally, indicate a history of sexual trauma. Left untreated, it could very well manifest itself in the very manner described by the alleged victim and others. Something to think about.

I was at the wedding reception when Dave and Terry...

2012-06-12T13:18:15.175-06:00

I was at the wedding reception when Dave and Terry got married and the so called "victim" got up in front of the whole crowd and read a letter to the crowd that stated that she loved David so much and that she was so glad her mother Terry had found such a good man that treated her mom with great respect and love and that she loved David too, that he was a great step Dad. If I am correct this would of been at the approxmate same time that she was saying she was getting abused. So I find it hard to believe that she was being treated so badly at the time but would on her own write this amazing letter praising David so highly,and to get up in front of everyone and read it to us all again at approx. the same time of the allegations. There were people in the crowd with tears in their eyes because it was so heart warming. Again it just seams so hard to believe she would read this if in fact David was abusing her so badly. And as for accusations that David had other victims before, I have to tell you that David's ex-wife was the one telling the stories, she was a stripper and was very trashy in my eyes. David got sick of her and her trash ways and not caring about his Daughter and he left her for a better life. She would come to the door to let me in and be in her bra and panties only. Again, very trashy in my eyes. So she made up allegations against David so she could get custody of their daughter. I knew David very well and in my eyes he is nothing near a rapist. Just my opinion but I believe in him and that he is innocent. I also knew that the so called victim did not want to share her bedroom with the new baby and wanted to go to her grandmothers to live so she could have her own room and her grandmother spoiled her all the time. David is not going to admit to something he didnt do because he is a good man and stands for the truth in my opinion. I can't proove that he didn't do it but knowing him as I did I truly believe he is innocent. I do strongly feel that the case needs to be appealed and looked at very close. I feel justice has not been served.

I'm curious about why the blame is being place...

2011-04-25T08:31:22.154-06:00

I'm curious about why the blame is being placed on the judge. How are the laws written where this took place? Perhaps the judge had no choice if he was to follow the law. Here in NH, where a friend of mine has been embroiled in a case where there is no corroboration although there are several aspects to his case that could have lent themselves to it (alleged involvement of other adults, alleged online communication with accuser, etc.), it's explicitly stated in the sexual assault statutes that corroborative evidence is not required for conviction. That makes me irate.

My son has been falsely accused of rape and I have...

2010-10-31T09:20:38.858-06:00

My son has been falsely accused of rape and I have no faith in the sytem, the cops, the judges, the juries, the prosecution. I am so scared he will be convicted on the accusation alone - there is no proof - she refused the rape kit.

What is the “silent record” ??? “A record of a ...

2010-04-17T12:20:18.197-06:00

What is the “silent record” ???

“A record of a criminal proceeding which does not show that the defendant acted with knowledge or understanding of his or her rights (as in entering a plea of guilty or waiving the right to counsel).”

Let me see if I understand this concept of the “Silent Record.” Any Prosecutor can use anything they want in the Grand Jury even if they can’t prove it. The “silent Record “is information that is not in the main file or court record for one reason or another but resides in the Prosecutor’s “work product” file which cannot be disclosed via subpoena or discovery, therefore the defendant is unaware.

However, the Prosecutors generally in Grand Jury proceedings make use of “professional witnesses” affidavits’ who are not personally attending, corrupt victims witness coordinators statements, and make use of witness statements that may not exist or have made deals with to testify a certain way, and they never intend to put in front of the court, by reading these statements into the record. This in effect is the Prosecutors version of the police reports, and make up a case that is actual from their “silent record.” These “Silent Record” testimonies read into the grand jury by the prosecutor become unalterable and unarguable fact in the case, which the defense never knows.

Then without a preliminary hearing the Judge ultimately accepts the grand jury facts which can be made up of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo by the Prosecutor. These actual “silent record “facts become the only facts, the defendants have no due process to repudiate or confront his accusers. These “silent record” facts can and are being used to increase the sentence unjustly in front of the regular trail jury.

The system as allowed in Idaho, currently makes use of the “demon possessed” prosecutors lying to and commenting with the “silent record” to the grand jury to get an true bill of indictment, and then with inarguable facts portrays facts in the “silent Record “ to enhance and inflame juries for more convictions, which is unconstitutional

What is the “silent record” ??? “A record of a ...

2010-04-17T11:45:09.630-06:00

Before defending David Dutt did you look at the fa...

2010-04-05T11:34:24.247-06:00

Before defending David Dutt did you look at the fact he has other victoms? His own child a three year old girl at the time was taken from him for the same sick crap!On the silent record there were other parents that came forward and wrote to the judge that he had done sick things to their children as well....

If what I have written here is in error in any particular, I will eagerly and happily publish a suitable retraction.

It's not an exaggeration to say that I have examined, in detail, hundreds of pages of official documents regarding this case, and none of what you describe is found therein.

Why should I accept as "fact" a collection of lurid charges that were never proven in court, or even made part of the public record?

The onus is on you to document what you have claimed here, not on me (or anyone else) to rebut charges that haven't even been made in public.

Please contact me -- WNGrigg [at] MSN [dot] com -- if you are willing to provide me with the means to substantiate your claims.

Before defending David Dutt did you look at the fa...

2010-03-16T20:01:47.486-06:00

Without a fair trial, nothing done to a person in ...

2010-01-28T20:16:40.155-07:00

Without a fair trial, nothing done to a person in the name of "justice" is fair. Fairness IS the cornerstone of due process in our society, and anyone would agree that preventing crucial evidence to the jury is unfair. Watch 12 angry men. Yes, the DA will lie to and intentionally misled jurors.

This case is strikingly similar to my personal exp...

2010-01-28T20:13:43.513-07:00

This case is strikingly similar to my personal experience, except I was only accused and convicted of touching the buttocks for 1 second...receiving a 75 months sentence. I was innocent then, as I am now. God help this nation.
Go to: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/the_trials_of_an_oregon_lawyer.html

My son was falsely accused 11 year ago, shortly be...

2009-08-28T23:43:35.605-06:00

My son was falsely accused 11 year ago, shortly before his 16th birthday.

The facts of this story are so close to his, it's breaking my heart.

Not allowed to attend a party, his 11 year old cousin claimed - during a tantrum - he'd raped her every day for two weeks, two years before. Her mother and I had been feuding from an earlier accusation (she and her mother were 'frequent fliers' when it came to false accusations).

My son passed three polygraphs with high marks saying he didn't do it. She was virginally intact,but had claimed he used "Pert" shampoo "to make it go in easier".

She denied her other accusations(a 5 year old neighbor boy supposedly raped her at age 4. She also denied years of abuse therapy.)

The family left the state 10 days before trial, refused to return to testify.

When my son insisted on a juvenile hearing, she was admitted to a mental hospital. He had no choice but to accept an Alford plea(WHO are they gonna believe? YOU? Or that BEEEEEEU-ti-ful little girl?

He passed another polygraph during the pre sentencing evaluation, and was jailed for it. He was not 'in denial' and dangerous.

Not to worry. As soon as he was jailed she 'bounced back' and no longer needed therapy.

Three years of sex offender 'treatment' my son could never pass the forced confession polygraph. "Whatever she said I did, I did". He was placed on an ankle monitor for 'not cooperating'.

It's been 11 years now. Every birthday is celebrated with a trip to the police station to register as a sex offender.

He suffers more a time goes on...it just never ends. There's no way out...

I am looking for an article you wrote about how yo...

2009-05-25T21:48:53.974-06:00

I am looking for an article you wrote about how you wilily gained access to a meeting in which western-style family planning methods were being pressed upon a strongly traditional Middle Eastern Islamic population. It was in Egypt, maybe? Pls publish link, if you wouldn't mind, if it's not too hard to find.

So if you didn,t unerstand ,There is no such thing...

2009-05-25T14:48:15.813-06:00

So if you didn,t unerstand ,There is no such thing as a virgin. The court has taken notice that jesus can not be the son of God Joesph just knew what he was doing. As long as this man is in prison it has to be seen in this light

Jer.17 1. [9] The heart is deceitful above all...

2009-05-25T05:11:54.891-06:00

Jer.17

1. [9] The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings

Didn't someone say the heart of man is wicked abov...

2009-05-24T19:21:45.495-06:00

Didn't someone say the heart of man is wicked above all things

Kent, that punishment culture that you speak of is...

2009-05-23T19:00:29.054-06:00

Kent, that punishment culture that you speak of is only another branch in an otherwise dead and cancerous society. Callous towards the accused, towards loving thy neighbor, towards foreigners, you name it. These clowns would goose step to their own execution if it made them FEEL important.

Totally relevant story about 4 girls who accuse a ...

2009-05-23T18:32:44.996-06:00

Totally relevant story about 4 girls who accuse a cabbie of rape because he wouldn't let them smoke in his cab.

http://digg.com/world_news/4_Girls_Falsely_Cry_Rape_Cabbie_Has_Incident_on_Video?FC=PRCT1

S. Bevin is right. To stand up for the rights of ...

2009-05-23T14:00:28.710-06:00

S. Bevin is right. To stand up for the rights of these accused men is to endure the wrath of the punishment culture that only wishes to see punishment handed out rather than justice done. Time after time in newspaper website comments I have tried to point out how easy it is for men to be falsely accused, only to be called a "pervert" or "child molester" myself for daring to stick up for the accused. It is sickening and horribly sad. But these gleeful "I hope he gets @%&-raped in prison" types will never see the truth until it happens to them. I used to say I hoped they were never in the position of facing that possibility themselves. I don't say that anymore.

The premier example is the travesty at Duke U. two...

2009-05-23T13:33:53.033-06:00

The premier example is the travesty at Duke U. two years ago with that wicked prosecutor Nifong.

So true. My local paper, The Lancaster Eagle Gazet...

2009-05-23T13:31:31.573-06:00

So true. My local paper, The Lancaster Eagle Gazette (a Gannett paper) is so full of comments from the local rabble, gossiping and condemning people who have had run-ins with the local AUTHORITIES. They introduce every sort of slanderous talk to the point where I can't believe I'm reading it. And the paper allows it.

The saddest travesty of all is the ever increasing...

2009-05-23T11:46:06.407-06:00

The saddest travesty of all is the ever increasing mob mentality that is ubiquitous amongst the general population today. All you need to do to see proof of this is to read the comment section at the bottom of a recent newspaper article published on their website on some recent crime that has been committed. Seven out of ten people commenting are more than willing to render the accused guilty long before the facts have been heard in one of our courts of "law".Is it any shock then the "justice" that is doled out makes a mockery of the word? It seems increasingly that if the State has determined to arrest you that that fact alone is enough evidence, in the small minds of the lumpen hoi poloi, to convict and if necessary to throw away the keys. Little do these poor people know they are slowly building the system that will over time ultimately find themselves ensnared within it. It really is tragic but ultimately can be blamed on the fact that base emotion has replaced critical, logical thinking. In short we have ceased to be a country of thinkers, and now we will reap the results.

S. Bevin

Anyone who thinks that the 'justice" system dispen...

2009-05-22T20:10:38.979-06:00

Anyone who thinks that the 'justice" system dispenses justice should be a juror.

The court system won't permit a juror with more than two brain cells to sit on a petit jury. I know from whenst I speak.

I've worked on criminal cases and know how the system works.

How the hymen-intact "victim" and prosecutors can live with themselves demonstrates what is wrong with the system. The prosecutor wants scalps on the wall - to hell with "justice."BROKEN" PRETTY MUCH NAILED IT: "This nation stands condemned before God, and His wrath falls justly, even now."

One can only hope that the perpetrators of the real crime here are punished in this world.

When such a travesty of justice is portrayed in th...

2009-05-22T15:09:34.930-06:00

When such a travesty of justice is portrayed in the context of race, such as in the classic "To Kill A Mockingbird", people are rightfully outraged. Today it seems too many are incapable of understanding the obvious parallel to this context. Mr. Grigg's comment regarding how easily the jury members succumbed to raw emotionalism is a sad commentary on several things, including the general dearth of thinking people, and more specifically the allowing of thinking people on juries.

It goes without saying that Will Grigg is a gifted...

2009-05-22T13:47:54.534-06:00

It goes without saying that Will Grigg is a gifted writer! Thank you, Will, for this piece. There are few things worse than being falsely accused of this type of crime.

One of the contributing factors is the notion that, from the onset, one must "believe the victim." That mindset is taught in continuing education for investigators and prosecutors.

The days of Joe Friday (just the facts, ma'am) are long gone when it comes to sex cases. Instead of putting together facts and coming to a conclusion, it seems that too many in law enforcement look for facts to prop up their preconceived theory and disregard any facts to the contrary.