tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5632228859627481301..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: A "Deal" to Protect the Guilty: Bonneville County's Indecent Proposal to Chris Tapp (IMPORTANT UPDATE, 3/21) William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16870148423390537482017-03-18T10:21:54.591-06:002017-03-18T10:21:54.591-06:00There was a time, decades ago, when I committed Do...There was a time, decades ago, when I committed Doc. & Cov. 121 to what has proven to be a vulnerable memory. All Wrong is entirely correct that conscientious Mormons recognize that Fuhriman committed unrighteous dominion in framing Chris Tapp. Since he eventually profited from that false conviction, he was also guilty of what Mormons call "Priestcraft." <br /><br /><br />As someone who was born in Burley, and raised as a Mormon in southeast Idaho (I attended High School and college in Rexburg, which at the time was roughly 90 percent LDS), I have intimate and abiding knowledge of the often tribal nature of Mormon-majority communities. I'm confident that in any community where one sect exercises similar demographic dominance the local "justice" system is susceptible to similar distortions: There are some towns of comparable size in Texas, for example, where I would not want to be a Mormon suspected of a hideous crime.<br /><br />Carol Dodge is a member of the LDS Church. So were nearly all of the other local citizens who crowded the courthouse in Idaho Falls for Chris Tapp's hearing last November, and they were coldly, quietly furious over what had been done by Fuhriman and his comrades. <br /><br />A few years ago a Mormon-dominated jury acquitted Victor Madrigal and his brother -- two black non-Mormon defendants -- of patently false charges of assaulting the police officers who on the pretext of a noise complaint had invaded Victor's home following his daughter's birthday party (I've written about that case elsewhere). This followed a campaign of vilification in the local media, including a studiously false and defamatory op-ed by Chief McBride. <br /><br />Mormons, like many other sub-populations, tend to be cliquish, and there are authoritarian aspects of the faith that interact dangerously with political institutions. Fuhriman exemplified this in his cynical invocation of the Angel Moroni, and his subtle assertion of his priesthood status in seducing Tapp into a false confession. The tens of thousands of Bonneville County Mormons who eagerly await Tapp's exoneration are guided by the better angels of that community's nature, as it were. William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90275564156299907392017-03-18T06:26:01.024-06:002017-03-18T06:26:01.024-06:00To the first Anonymous poster, you don't have ...To the first Anonymous poster, you don't have a damned clue what you're talking about. You said, "A fact that many people do not understand and Mormons hide is: Mormons are not Christians, they do not believe that Jesus's mother Mary, was a virgin." This is almost a truth presented as a complete falsehood. Mormons actually do believe that Mary was a virgin when Christ was born. They believe absolutely in the Immaculate Conception. Your entire "evidence" that they aren't Christians is simply false. Where you've gotten yourself tangled up is that Mormons believe that Joseph and Mary had sex AFTER Christ was born and had more children. In fact, this view isn't contradicted a single time in the Bible.<br /><br />Another poster commented that Mormons look out for themselves. This is true. Any group that feels persecuted becomes xenophobic and cliquish. The Mormons were persecuted for quite a long time (though they aren't any longer, but still haven't gotten over that view for the most part). That said, the Mormons have a term for what Fuhriman did with the icon of the angel Moroni. They call it unrighteous dominion. He could potentially be excommunicated for this (a fate Mormons, I'm told, take far more seriously than Catholics do). I'm not sure that anyone can look at what he did there, and seriously believe that Fuhriman isn't Scum of the Earth. If I thought he actually had a conscience, I would bet he doesn't look in the mirror very often, but I seriously doubt he's ever been burdened with a conscience.All Wronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01313858228631416622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57101193902501302072017-03-17T20:57:50.459-06:002017-03-17T20:57:50.459-06:00Speaking as a non-Mormon, they are people too. Th...Speaking as a non-Mormon, they are people too. There are good decent ones and there are bad ones. Hard to categorize a whole group as good or bad. Shoot, you can say Baptists look out for their own and especially "Independent Fundamentalist Baptists".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13095992907315376232017-03-16T20:46:44.841-06:002017-03-16T20:46:44.841-06:00@7:36
I have considered that many time while read...@7:36<br /><br />I have considered that many time while reading here. Mormons views non-Mormon Christians as the out group. Utah is an especially strange state where being a non-Mormon Christian places one as a second class citizen. Mormons absolutely look out for their own in Utah. Religious extremists such as Mormons should not be given authority over people they view as unworthy and essentially dirty. It skews their judgment and creates impartiality that is simply unacceptable in positions of authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-90126062177146966212017-03-15T21:18:27.284-06:002017-03-15T21:18:27.284-06:00Anyone taking bet that Chris Tapp "dies"...Anyone taking bet that Chris Tapp "dies" at the hand of an inmate before trial?Thomas Lowehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17856536324144959692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46762402437546479912017-03-13T11:26:55.477-06:002017-03-13T11:26:55.477-06:00the worst enemies we can have are those among us. ...the worst enemies we can have are those among us. the people featured fit that bill in an extraordinary fashion. <br /><br />this is 'fairness'? 'justice'? i suppose it depends on which side of the gulag fence one finds oneself.<br /><br />there are some real sick puppies among us at all levels of 'authority', as opposed to 'leadership', the latter of which has been absent in this nation for a very long time.<br /><br />kirknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-12067400667061442482017-03-13T07:36:25.139-06:002017-03-13T07:36:25.139-06:00I can't help wondering while reading the many ...I can't help wondering while reading the many stories on this matter that Will has put together over the last 18 months or so. Just how many of these bad people in government in Eastern idaho are Mormons? A fact that many people do not understand and Mormons hide is: Mormons are not Christians, they do not believe that Jesus's mother Mary, was a virgin. That simple fact off the top rules out Mormons being Christians along with a long list of other issues that are not biblical in the real Bible but found in the new Mormon add on to the Bible. Which has been edited many times to stay current with the times and peopel's understanding of truth. It's known to many these 3 murders, Miss. Dodge and the older couple were killed by a man that seemingly was likely a CI for the IFPD. The last known address the killer lived at was in KY. A real investigation and not by Idaho LE needs to be done to find out why the wagons were circled to railroad innocent people to cover for a known murder. If the federal government gets involved, bet that the 3 federally elected members of the US House and Senate will rally up the Mormons in congress to shut down any investigation becuase it would show the Mormon church members operatae as a cult with in their own rank and file. Justice will likely never be seen in these 3 murders and the 2 people railroaded for crimes they did not commit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com