tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post5028145124238881094..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: Seek Ye First the Protection of Property Rights.... William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38481655599800524852016-08-14T19:42:47.372-06:002016-08-14T19:42:47.372-06:00The LDS Church is not a religious institution. It...The LDS Church is not a religious institution. It is nothing more than a vile corporation that is willing to change its stance for the purpose of garnering greater support (insert the word "financial") from its sycophants. The leaders are corporate hacks and NOT theologians who have followed Joe's Myth. Glad you left in 2003-- I left 6 years ago and would rather be dead than a part of Mormonism again. Unknownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09277029260771106245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30526225400089471852016-07-17T19:30:00.759-06:002016-07-17T19:30:00.759-06:00Donna - north dakota
Anonymous above has a decide...Donna - north dakota<br /><br />Anonymous above has a decided opinion on the LDS Church and its origin. <br /> <br />Some are just as decided regarding other sects and religions. So long as I remain free to continue my personal study of what I consider sacred writ and to act upon my conviction while never imposing restraint or harm on anyone else in pursuit of their belief system, I'm willing to respect our differences.<br /><br />You make the point that Joseph Smith could barely write his own name, but was able to cut-&-paste an epic manuscript purporting to be the combined and edited histories of nations and peoples over the course of several thousand years, making use of many different literary 'voices' and styles, weaving these various accounts into a perfectly coherent timeline - including warnings and prophecy specific to 21st Century events and behaviors in the latter-day church - all of which concludes that The Lord Christ is the Author and Finisher of this mortal Creation as well as the Father of our Souls.<br /><br />Emma Smith may have had the greatest trials of faith throughout her lifetime, and the most reason to blow the whistle. After Joseph's murder, she did leave the Church and remarried outside the institution. Nevertheless, she remained steadfast in her witness of the sacred record and the divine nature of the transcription process, to which she served as scribe to her 22-23 year old illiterate husband.<br /><br />What matters is what we DO with what we Believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23365234419000766272016-07-17T11:15:45.636-06:002016-07-17T11:15:45.636-06:00Well, there you are; A religious cult created by a...Well, there you are; A religious cult created by a convicted fraud, illiterate who could barley write his own name and mysteriously discovers a golden bible which only he can read with the aid of mystical spectacles brought to him by angels.<br />Rubbish! Talk about a true con job, Smith was at his best with this one. Of course L. Ron Hubbard, though not nearly as good as Smith, came up with what can only be described as a copy cat religion.<br /> Both of these cults have made out like bandits. <br />Smith should be proud of his creation and that's exactly what it is a creation of a twisted and deceitful mind.<br /> The time has come to remove all tax exemptions from all churches. Make them pay for the vast holdings of property, private jets, private yachts, mansions expensive foreign cars. They get it all free of taxes while the rest of us are forced at gunpoint to support these con artists. And yes we are supporting them by being forced to make up for the loss of revenue because of their tax exemption status.<br /> So we need to do away with either the tax code or tax exempt status for religious groups. <br />One or the other. You can't have it both ways and expect any semblance of equity.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-29249131863213087452016-07-17T06:27:07.594-06:002016-07-17T06:27:07.594-06:00I think the Church left you William??
Grave yard ...I think the Church left you William??<br /><br />Grave yard point cowboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61883328794883502312016-07-15T12:09:50.646-06:002016-07-15T12:09:50.646-06:00Both the CIA and the FBI recruit heavily among ret...Both the CIA and the FBI recruit heavily among returned LDS missionaries, especially at BYU. One of the reasons the NSA built its omnivorous data-collection facility in Bluffdale, Utah is the ready availability of very capable foreign language translators in the area -- people who are exceptionally fluent in their given languages, familiar with the local cultures, and acculturated into obedience to constituted authority. <br /><br />As an LDS missionary in Guatemala back in the early 1980s, I was occasionally accused of being a CIA operative, in part because of my inescapable Gringo accent, which was incongruous for someone who looked like a native. I was there during the 1983 coup in which the CIA-backed dictator Efrain Rios Montt was removed and replaced by a CIA-supported military junta, and being accused of working for the Company was no trivial matter. <br /><br />(Complete disclosure: I left the LDS Church in 2003.) William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80879762849824143232016-07-15T11:49:47.408-06:002016-07-15T11:49:47.408-06:00Donna from ND
In response to the linked Huffingto...Donna from ND<br /><br />In response to the linked Huffington article above, current foreign policy has tweaked a hostile reaction from Russia. Little wonder there might be a concern about 'Mormon' missionaries who very frequently are recruited into 'intelligence' when they return, in part because of real place language skills.<br /><br />Naive patriotism combined with religious zeal can be useful to the plans of those not so naive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69290669887858854222016-07-13T23:18:45.510-06:002016-07-13T23:18:45.510-06:00Will,
Regarding the last statement in your post;
...Will,<br /><br />Regarding the last statement in your post;<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-russias-new-anti-extremism-law-affects-mormon-missionaries_us_5784188de4b0e05f05232c97<br /><br />It sure didn't take long for a government to impose restrictions on the LDS Church and its missionary program, and this in what may be the most Christian and Family Values oriented country left in the world (the one whose government most vigorously supports the principles of the LDS Proclamation on the Family of 1995). <br /><br />Come to think of it, with these latest compromises by the LDS corporate bureaucracy the Russian government probably supports the Proclamation better than the current LDS church.PNW_DPerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16203324465643216620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69945122619151142412016-07-13T16:31:17.348-06:002016-07-13T16:31:17.348-06:00Donna in North Dakota
In the 1970's, a friend...Donna in North Dakota<br /><br />In the 1970's, a friend attending church in a wealthy area of Omaha, NE, was witness to a 'searching' LDS Bible discussion regarding the three year mortal ministry of The Lord Jesus Christ - the conclusion being...He could NOT possibly have been a mere carpenter. He had to have been a highly successful General Contractor...otherwise, how could He have afforded to leave His everyday responsibilties in order to fulfill a three-year Mission call?<br /><br />Worldly success may blind spiritual eyes to the reality of miracles. <br /><br />There are explicit warnings throughout The Book of Mormon to the latter day reader - no less to the lawyers or pastors than to the 'humble followers of Christ'.<br /><br />I've marveled over the lack of outrage from Christian pulpits regarding the glib use of torture and massacre by drones of those we are told are our enemies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-16824573166017405272016-07-13T08:36:38.981-06:002016-07-13T08:36:38.981-06:00Sounds like another casualty in the left's mar...Sounds like another casualty in the left's march through all institutions.<br />After the second bolshevik revolution is complete and the glorious fundamental transformation is over then what?<br />The reds have no capacity to build or create and they certainly don't have any new ideas so it will probably be just more of the same old stale Marxist tripe that always leaves a mountain of dead bodies in the vain quest for a statist utopia.<br />I'll have to pass on sold out corporate churches and worship of the state is not an option either.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72483713669830857942016-07-12T21:06:11.422-06:002016-07-12T21:06:11.422-06:00From, Christ not being brought to this world from ...From, Christ not being brought to this world from a virgin birth, to marriage in Heaven, and many become like a Christ or a God with their own planet to name 3 insults to mock God, the LDS church takes the cake. Fact of the matter, when one looks closely at the Mormon church it seems that church is becoming a union. Mormons seem to be flocking to government employment and that church gets the 10 percent cut for the life of that government employee. Throughout the years of employment to the taxpayer paid retirement. Mormons have said for years the church is run like a business, which is a fair statement being it is by no means a Christian based church. History is clear, when Islam was forced out of Europe by the French General, The Hammer. That stopped the book burning where Islam wanted to leave mankind with one book, the Karan. See, "The Irish Saved Literacy", a clear picture of that point in time. Satin lost that battle to destroy God's scripture but didn't give up. It took a few centuries but he landed on adding on to the Holy Bible being he couldn't destroy it altogether. So destroying the Bible by adding to it, brought forth the Mormons. Far too much of that faith mocks God and is light years in another direction than Christianity. That church is not run in the open as closed societies seem to operate. At one time it was reported that west of the Mississippi, the Mormon church and BofA were said to be the richest corporate entities. Look at the Salt River Project that has it's own congressional exemption from the antitrust laws and the money that flows into that church from the SRP. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-27206609769896973272016-07-12T09:39:35.210-06:002016-07-12T09:39:35.210-06:00We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist ...We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. We are deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism.<br />Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside.<br />The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war. Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted. It includes mass struggle, peaceful and violent, political and economic, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with armed struggle.<br />Without mass struggle there can be no revolution. Without armed struggle there can be no victory.<br /><br />William Ayers of the Weather Underground, "Prairie Fire" (1974), Page 10.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-85243858849350894552016-07-12T09:34:25.227-06:002016-07-12T09:34:25.227-06:00Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/impe...Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit.<br />Socialism means control of the productive for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions.<br />Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed.<br />Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative life for all.<br /><br />William Ayers of The Weather Underground, "Prairie Fire" (1974), Page 41.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64822876825279546402016-07-12T09:27:53.677-06:002016-07-12T09:27:53.677-06:00 “The greatest evil is not now done in those sordi... “The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern.”—C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape LettersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70423568138397346692016-07-12T08:05:53.880-06:002016-07-12T08:05:53.880-06:00Hi Will!
I'm an active (well, mostly) Latter-...Hi Will!<br /><br />I'm an active (well, mostly) Latter-day Saint and could not agree with you more. The LDS Church has been "compromising" with the gay/lesbian folks for several years now and every time I hear about some new adjustment they're making, I cringe.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the LDS Church has and is packing its leadership with lawyers and businessmen who are well versed in the politics of so-called "compromise".<br /><br />And, to your point, the Church is all about the Church and ONLY the Church. It's pretty much guaranteed that the LDS Church won't come to the defense of any member who strays beyond the boundaries given by the brethren.<br /><br />Always appreciate the insights you provide. <br />Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-63626403277143130272016-07-12T06:57:21.086-06:002016-07-12T06:57:21.086-06:00Thanks for this one Will..........I think?
Grav...Thanks for this one Will..........I think?<br /><br /> Graveyard Point CowboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57882821305368827102016-07-11T17:31:47.927-06:002016-07-11T17:31:47.927-06:00There are artificial entities in the legal/lawful ...There are artificial entities in the legal/lawful realm that are not under statutory control. Those in Romans 10:9 faith should be seeking these constructs for doing business through. These same should not use attorners (attorneys) to "help" (hurt) with this effort.watchmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01361021762546045040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38840466005812983332016-07-11T08:07:58.193-06:002016-07-11T08:07:58.193-06:00"Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness..."Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all of these things will be added to you." (Matthew 6:33)<br /><br />Among a number of other abominable consequences, property taxes (the most egregious of Constitutional Republic's taxes)are the result of the 18th-century founders NOT seeking Yahweh's kingdom and righteousness. This formally occurred in 1787 when the constitutional framers replaced the 17th-century Colonial governments of, by, and for God established upon His moral law (including His taxing system) with their own humanistic government of, by, and for the people based upon Enlightenment and Masonic traditions.<br /><br />For more regarding these two polar opposite forms of government, see online Chapter 3 "The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH" of "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective" at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/BlvcOnline/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt3.html.<br /><br />Then, find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible. Ted R. Weilandhttp://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-84797277527452838892016-07-10T20:49:31.782-06:002016-07-10T20:49:31.782-06:00Accused individuals need to be reminded continuall...Accused individuals need to be reminded continually to decline efforts to question them being posed by incipient prosecutorial agents. Admit nothing to revenue dogs being sicced on them by corporate malefactors. Read the Miranda monition and understand you are being warned that you don't have to and should not give information to them. This includes the "social justice" stalkers who seek to persecute us for our beliefs and to make examples of religious practitioners.David Jankowskihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11382949280140318635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-72671249753867970312016-07-10T14:15:01.879-06:002016-07-10T14:15:01.879-06:00What Wickmans speech fails to recognize is that th...What Wickmans speech fails to recognize is that the perceived assault on religious liberty is merely a byproduct of the more significant assault on the fundamental liberties of free association and property. The secular LGBT thing is merely an iteration of cultural marxism aimed at promoting control over society by popular democracy-a lie Wickman buys into. He missed a great opportunity to remind of us our republican form of government and the liberty it aims to protect. So sad. This is what you get from social elites educated at Berkley and Stanford.Josh Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05669393993836823714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23438790756511921222016-07-10T10:04:48.856-06:002016-07-10T10:04:48.856-06:00wickman seems to think that giving a few bones to ...wickman seems to think that giving a few bones to hungry dogs will placate the dogs. <br /><br />in essence, his position is 'we've got what we wanted so to hell with the rest'. seems mighty selfish for one who claims to be a christian.<br /><br />perhaps he does not understand that throwing a few bones to hungry dogs only raises their blood lust and drives them to further actions.<br />in the end, i find lack of understanding on wickman's part not likely. what is likely is that he wanted the pews full...and contributions, as well...even if selling out his 'core' was indicated to get what he wanted. <br /><br />how long before his 'new friends', the ones he sold out to, come for him and what he purportedly 'represents'?kirknoreply@blogger.com