Comments on Pro Libertate: Neither Sword Nor Shield: Full-Spectrum Civilian Disarmament

Mr Grigg I did want to bring to your attention thi...

2010-02-02T23:00:58.369-07:00

Mr Grigg I did want to bring to your attention this article from a columnist for the Toronto Star, it is so sad, the bullying police, the confiscation of his shotgun, of course the fellow thinks only the police should have handguns but it is a poignant piece nevertheless, perhaps you may feel it worthy of your formidable attention.
With Obama set to sign that treaty with UN giving them effective control of our guns this is a bad time indeed for patriots.

Fiorito: The cops came and took my gun
By Joe Fiorito City Columnist
Published On Fri Jan 29 2010
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/757440--fiorito-the-cops-walked-up-and-took-my-gun

The vast majority of n*ggers are either parasites ...

2010-01-06T15:49:01.605-07:00

The vast majority of n*ggers are either parasites on the dole, criminals, or both. I know it's all Mr. Charlie's fault but it's the truth nonetheless.

The militarization of American police, Federal, st...

2010-01-06T14:14:03.321-07:00

The militarization of American police, Federal, state, county, local, took place under the direction of the training seminars conducted by ADL in 1970s until the present.
Just as at WACO where ADL played a significant role. WATCHDOG NATION
by CLETUS NELSON

the ADL worked in concert with federal officials by providing “precise documentation” on the Davidian “cult” and “how it operated in the past.”" Although we can only speculate as to the nature of this intelligence, the inherent brutality of the initial raid conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and the subsequent tank assault which led to the tragic death of over six-dozen members of a multiracial spiritual community suggest that this questionable information was of an inflammatory nature.

The role of quasi-governmental watchdog groups didn’t cease once bloodthirsty ATF agents cravenly raised their flag above the smoldering Mt. Carmel complex. As Washington officials braced for Congressional hearings and the possibility of answering a number of difficult questions regarding the alleged “disappearance” of key pieces of evidence, watchdog groups stepped forward to wholeheartedly endorse the law enforcement debacle.

“I am more concerned with the victims of militia terrorists than with FBI or ATF excesses,” SPLC figurehead Morris Dees remarked glibly, while failing to articulate a single instance of militia-sponsored terrorism.’” Nevertheless, SPLC “experts” repeatedly attacked those willing to question the Justice Department’s factually untenable (yet media-sanctified) “mass suicide” theory. Mark Pitcavage of Militia Watchdog similarly assailed the allegedly sinister agenda of determined Waco investigators. “These guys have ulterior motives,” whined the pro-government activist to Salon magazine.”

Pregnant women have been tasered for somethin a policeman in the 1960s would have chuckled at and sent her on her way.
You know Bill Bennet said within moments of 911 that "we're all Israelis now"
well for the elite that is probably true but for us, the decent, law-abiding, patriotic Americans, I would say,
WE ARE ALL PALESTINIANS NOW

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians"

Little by little they chip chip chip away until we...

2010-01-06T12:12:24.567-07:00

Little by little they chip chip chip away until we CITIZENS not CIVILIANS! are stomped underfoot by the ancient boot of tyranny. Now friends it is not a matter of if we are going to die like the 100s of millions of last century, but when. "Nothing new under the sun" says King Solomon and death by the protectors is older than written words.

I've heard the city planners in my former home...

2010-01-06T11:23:06.911-07:00

I've heard the city planners in my former home town lie like dogs about how they were attaching cameras on the street lights to "aid in traffic flow" but behind every so-called good intention is another unspoken evil. Funny how they saw you coming and even though you were thoughful enough to put your seatbelt on (I mean, that was the idea wasn't it?... Safety?) they're johnny on the spot to smack someone down.

This is f---ing America. You the people let this h...

2010-01-06T10:04:36.209-07:00

This is f---ing America. You the people let this happen. You the people didn’t lift up your lazy asses when needed. You the people now are slave of your system. You the people still don’t care what is going on in (your own?) country. You the people care more the freaking Tv shows than your liberty. Now you the people has nothing left but your big screen tv and your six pack beer and potato chips and of course your dept. YOU DESERVED ALL THIS. Pussies don’t deserve liberty but enslavement. Hard to admit all these right? I know, but that what it is now.

"As for the case with the felon possessing bo...

2010-01-06T09:47:19.732-07:00

"As for the case with the felon possessing body armor, I don't really see the problem with that law. Indeed, I have no problem with laws that limit violent felons' rights, such as gun rights and voting rights. Violent felons have demonstrated by their actions that they do not wish to be part of civilized society, so they should not be treated as such."

Let me get this straight, if ANYONE just so happens to commit a felony, no matter what the felony is, he should lose his right to personal protection and lose his right to vote? Excuse me, but evidently, you are not keeing up with new laws. Almost EVERY law broken these days is a felony. So with that said, you might need to watch how you are wording things.

Just because a human being messed up ONE time, doesn't make him / her, any less of a human being.

A word on citizens wearing body armor. If they try...

2010-01-06T09:39:38.951-07:00

A word on citizens wearing body armor. If they try to ban us from that, hit them with the 9/11 song and dance. Ask them this. Why with terrorist in every shadow threatening our live with suicide attacks would they do something so UN-American as deny us protection of millitary grade body armor ? Then say your helping Al Qaeda, your not with us your against us !

Throw there own propaganda back at them !

Sounds like we need a National "Flip-Off a Co...

2010-01-06T08:45:32.307-07:00

Sounds like we need a National "Flip-Off a Cop Day"

I'm not sure what it says about my character, but I do this -- after a fashion -- nearly every day.

We live about five miles from the Idaho/Oregon border. Right at the border there is a 4-way traffic light that is outfitted with surveillance cameras facing both east and west. This means that we're under surveillance either going into or coming back from Oregon.

Korrin recently had to attend "traffic school" in Ontario after some dutiful Borg (Bastard OReGonian) drone hotlined her for failing to wear a seat belt. In the course of the lecture she was told by an officer that "we see people putting on their seatbelts just before they come into Oregon." This tipped me off to the purpose of those cameras.

Accordingly, both heading into and coming back from the People's Republic I make a point of shooting a double-barreled one-finger salute at the surveillance cameras.

Sounds like we need a National "Flip-Off a Co...

2010-01-06T08:10:22.979-07:00

Sounds like we need a National "Flip-Off a Cop Day"

"who says I don't cry..." Will, the...

2010-01-06T07:53:36.760-07:00

"who says I don't cry..."

Will, there are times when I have to catch myself and not tell my own kids all the horrors I KNOW about simply because it would crush their spirit. As adults, and hopefully with some wisdom, it's sadly sobering.

Shades of Knight made the point, something that I've debated with friends, that what we have is the product of long historical fact: that our so called "leaders" and their sturmtruppen have used their position (something they themselves created for their benefit) backed by self written rules... aka "laws" and force of arms, to keep the hoi-polloi in a perpetual state of fear and control. They like to remind you over and over that "this is how it has to be".... Yeah, right! Says you! There is likely not any peaceful resolution to this unless the Prince of Peace were to suddenly appear and even then that occurs after great violence.

No... I see that our situation will have to be ratcheted up before the camels back will finally break (all hoped and planned for by the elite mind you) and violence erupts. Our MSM propaganda machine will be put into overdrive as Fed and boot licking State reps hammer new "laws" while sending in their Jannissaries to get into our face. All carried out, no doubt, to the hallelujah chorus of our nations cowardly and bought off churches.

I'm reminded once more of something George Carlin said, "Rights aren't rights if they can be taken away... they're privileges". SOK is correct in saying nothing is going to change until change is acted upon.

Shhh! From your lips to Dionysius' Ear, as it ...

2010-01-06T07:28:44.502-07:00

Shhh! From your lips to Dionysius' Ear, as it were. Don't give Leviathan's minions any ideas....

Re: Dionysius's Ear --

http://www.travelblog.org/Europe/Italy/Sicily/Siracusa/blog-179448.html

With regard to the Oklahoma legislation, why not a...

2010-01-06T07:18:25.882-07:00

With regard to the Oklahoma legislation, why not a law requiring every citizen to deposit with local law guys a duplicate front door key to their home, office, apt, etc.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/201...

2010-01-06T04:00:28.895-07:00

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2010/01/05/story-marion-county-deputy-cancer-suicide.html?sid=102

Isn't it funny how rough and rugged police off...

2010-01-06T03:56:11.212-07:00

Isn't it funny how rough and rugged police officers are such sniveling shits. That is like a nation of rugged individuals in fear of panties of mass destruction.

Will, As I read your post this morning, on the ne...

2010-01-05T23:26:17.576-07:00

Will,

As I read your post this morning, on the news in the background they were reporting on the most recent shootings in a 'feral' building in Nevada.

I couldn't help but feel that it was unfortunate that the individual defrauded by the social(ist) security scam only managed to kill/injure two of the tax trough feeder's before meeting his demise.

It is sad that we live in such a country.

In Male Fide
Sic Semper Tyrannis

The unfortunate fact is, this is not new. For tho...

2010-01-05T15:47:39.772-07:00

The unfortunate fact is, this is not new. For thousands of years, the law has ever applied to the ruled... not the rulers.

This has been true in EVERY society with any sort of code of laws. The United States is no different; The hypocrisy of our species even goes all the way to the inception of the US: "All men are created equal" written by a man who himself owned slaves (and did so without any hint of noticing the hypocrisy) up until the day he died.

It won't change from within; it can't. All systems of government automatically create these situations and they do so inevitably. And writing about it doesn't change a thing... nor does speaking about it. It only changes (and then only temporarily) when men and women who have had enough rise up and take matters into their own hands. Going back to the aforementioned author, there was one thing he had right... The tree of liberty MUST be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is inevitable.

I for one am tired of reading/hearing these rants. They are true, and they are pointless. We voted for "change" and got exactly what we deserved for trusting a broken system to fix itself. And we will continue to be so abused until we stop it. There is no superman, no lone ranger who will ride in a fix it for us... there is only we the people. And we can sit and wring our hands and cry "woe is us" or we can do something about it. Next time you see a cop tasering a helpless kid, don't write... DO something.

Well Mr. Grigg, if you'd like to see first han...

2010-01-05T13:25:41.804-07:00

Well Mr. Grigg, if you'd like to see first hand the plans they are presuming to make for your children just watch this uber-patriotic National Guard ad, if you haven't already. Your children are belong to us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbfPj00pTNY&feature=player_embedded

Sigh, I guess I need to go and purchase a vest now...

2010-01-05T13:02:19.452-07:00

Sigh, I guess I need to go and purchase a vest now, mainly because it is apparant the state doesn't want me to.

The not selling of the tazer resistant fabric to us mundanes is particularly enraging for the obvious fact that the overwhelming amount of tazer inflicted violence is from police delivering the shock to the mundane.

It's odd to hear the pathology of those on the other side who support this sort of disarmament, as I had a fairly heated debate over Christmas on this very issue. One really has to be ignorant of history and even everyday police encounters here in the US in order to think that disarming the population would be a good idea. I always asked when I was young, "Why didn't the Jews just shoot the Nazis when they showed up to take them away? Why were they cowering in attics?"

Now I know, the Eric Holders of 1930's Germany got their way and nobody had any guns.

My family members who thought disarmament to be a great leap forward for civilization continued to state "Guns are made for killing!" as though this was some sort of oversight on my behalf. To which I replied "Well, then why do we let police have guns if guns are inherantly evil? If police can use them for good then why can't I?" Of course this form of a level playing field was unheard of to them.

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2010-01-04T20:42:09.682-07:00

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Odoacer, you said: "As for the case with th...

2010-01-04T17:55:58.358-07:00

Odoacer,

you said:

"As for the case with the felon possessing body armor, I don't really see the problem with that law. Indeed, I have no problem with laws that limit violent felons' rights, such as gun rights and voting rights. Violent felons have demonstrated by their actions that they do not wish to be part of civilized society, so they should not be treated as such."

if criminals do not have rights, neither do you. one's rights come from God, not the state. the state cannot take away something it never gave you.

when you strike down their rights, you strike down your own. remember that you and your group/kind is only a few blobs of ink away from being lumped into the same basket as this guy.

secondly, the guy was an ex-convict. only certain of his rights are suspended while incarcerated, but they are re-instated once free. for instance, the right to bear arms, while in jail, is kinda stupid.

if you agree that ex-convicts can have their rights abridged, or even revoked by the state, then how come is it that when the state stands to profit, it can re-instate a right? i'm talking about how in wars past the state would say, "go to war and we will remit your jail sentence! yeah, we'll give you a gun and train you to kill." why do you think the state should have the monopoly over who gets to have rights and who does not? and where did you or the state get the authority to tell another man what he could and could not do (without respect to crimes that are evil in and of themselves) when that authority does not even rest in man as God created him? doesn't the state get its authority from its people? or do you believe the state can give itself "rights". you cannot straddle a fence. either you are for 100% liberty, or you are against it.

lastly, i kinda hinted at it before. one day, somebody is gonna get in charge who is not gonna like you. whether it be for your skin color, race, religion, culture, wealth, heritage, or what not. whatever the reason, they are gonna look down on you and decide that you don't deserve to be exercising a certain right or freedom. they are going to strip you of your property, then strip you of any means to defend yourself, then they are gonna decide that getting rid of you is the best solution since your type poses a risk to everyone else. and they are gonna round you up, and kill you.

i think the following people would agree that when the state strips you of your rights, then your only recourse may be to fight back:

--6 million jews and other germans,

--hundreds of thousands, if not millions of american indians

--750k+ serbians at the hands of the croatians

--tens of millions of russians at stalin's hands

--hundreds of thousands of guatamalans

--tens of millions of chinese under mao tse tung

--1.2 million armenians

and the list goes on.

i take that back, they do not hold this opinion and i have no way of finding out. and you know why? because their govts disarmed them and then killed them.

so it goes to protect the little guy, the minority, and to fight against any attempt to legislate anyone's rights away. because if you do not, one day you are gonna look to your left and to your right for support, but no one will be there to help you escape the state's police. and why? because you supported sending them all away to the FEMA camps.

maybe once inside, you can get one of those positions where you spy on your own people? i forget the name, it escapes me.

one more thing. follow my dictum: "buy it now before its illegal."

rick

The Diallo case is always good to bring up when di...

2010-01-04T16:21:18.044-07:00

The Diallo case is always good to bring up when discussing gun control with an anti-gun liberal. When they say something like "The only people who should own handguns are the police," I reply with "You mean the same people who shot Amadou Diallo forty times?"

Of course, the problem with that case and all others involving innocent blacks and the police is that the professional white-hating, socialist race hustlers turned them into black vs. white issues, instead of individual vs. state issues. As a result, innocent, law-abiding blacks who were truly abused by the police get lumped in with eternal miscreants like Rodney King and thugs such as the Jena Six. This makes it impossible to gain the support of large numbers of white, suburban and rural Middle Americans in opposing police excesses.

As for the case with the felon possessing body armor, I don't really see the problem with that law. Indeed, I have no problem with laws that limit violent felons' rights, such as gun rights and voting rights. Violent felons have demonstrated by their actions that they do not wish to be part of civilized society, so they should not be treated as such.

The ruling striking down the law was not a victory for libertarianism, but another way of making criminals' jobs easier thanks to a liberal judicial anarcho-tyrant. When a California court strikes down a law, it's almost certainly because that law made criminals' jobs difficult in some way, not because it infringed on the rights of law-abiding citizens. I doubt a California appeals court will ever strike down gun control, "civil rights" laws (Fun fact: there is actually a 1995 law in California, signed by a Republican governor, that bans businesses from requiring female employees to wear skirts, the only law of its kind in the nation.), or one of California's myriad taxes.

all, you know, is it conceivable that this whole...

2010-01-04T14:24:52.497-07:00

all,

you know, is it conceivable that this whole airline thing was allowed to happen so that govts could introduce these x-ray scanners? i mean, what's 250 dead when you want to control people (sarcasm)? considering every other false flag op, this is a chump change.

and look how some people are now clamoring to have their privacy invaded.

rick

Lemuel: If memory serves me correctly, not long...

2010-01-04T11:32:50.171-07:00

Lemuel:
If memory serves me correctly, not long ago Will wrote about police in Wisconsin Dells forcing two young men to lap up what they assumed to be urine from the ground after the police allegedly saw the young men urinating in public. The case only provoked outrage because the two young men forced to drink what was believed to be urine turned out to be military personnel on leave--and so, not mere mundanes like us.

It has already happened, and not for the last time.

If the companies won't sell civilians the Tase...

2010-01-04T09:32:10.619-07:00

If the companies won't sell civilians the Taser resistant clothes, sew window screen into some of your clothes, but be sure to use the conductive aluminum screen.