Comments on Pro Libertate: The Police: Useless, but not Harmless

The local law enforcement system is corrupt to the...

2012-08-07T19:33:30.151-06:00

The local law enforcement system is corrupt to the core. Your readers might be interested in my interview with Robert Fingolfin on the evils of cops and the solution. http://tribaltheocrat.com/2012/07/tribal-theocrat-live-episode-4-robert-fingolfin/

People just have to realize what the cops ARE and ...

2012-08-07T07:05:55.518-06:00

People just have to realize what the cops ARE and not the propaganda they send out. The cops are not there to serve YOU or help YOU, they are there to enforce the LAW and protect those the GOUVERNMENT DECIDED ARE WORTH PROTECTING.

In this framing of their jobs, it all becomes clear. You'll have the occasional decent human being who tries to help a fellow human, but overall it's not their JOB to do so. Their job is to enforce the laws and all laws are punishments by design. They'll make an arrest if it's profitable for them to do so, but the rich and famous never have to worry since the cops are working for them. Now of the gang that beat this man had some nice cars that could be confiscated during the arest or some drugs or drug money that could be taken, THEN you'll get your investigation. Until then recognice the cops as thugs for the law and remember the motto "serve and protect" is just a SAYING, not a COMMANDMENT.

Again..the people have not given the police and th...

2012-08-06T21:33:11.785-06:00

Again..the people have not given the police and their minions a compelling enough reason not to brutalize them that's why they do what the do best. People. You'll be forced to deal with this sooner rather than later whether you like it or not. Force only understands force and these people will not surrender without a fight.

I think it goes without saying that the founding f...

2012-08-06T02:31:07.233-06:00

I think it goes without saying that the founding fathers are spinning in their graves so violently it is creating a gyroscopic effect. What the consequences will be is still anyone's guess. But as someone who is now officially a FORMER badge-wearer, there is a radical change going on right now in the public safety profession. Here in Indiana there is a purge going on. ALL the good guys are either being fired, or pushed out on disability for line-of-duty injuries (I'm the latter). Everyone that's being brought in to replace them are all "yes men" (and women, too) who will obey any orders. The Nuremberg Principle still applies, though, but enforcement of it is likely going to have to happen only after a 2nd American Revolution, if enough of us accept the reality of our current situation and the need for it.

I'm old enough to remember the old "Officer Friendly" program, and efforts by the police to build closer relationships with the public, to build trust and assert how our form of policing was different than the pre-WW2 European model, which rightly was mistrusted by the people there. I think of that and how things are now, and it's "no more officer friendly" (sorry for the mixed memes) as AmeriKa is now looking a lot like 1930's Germany. Funny thing is, I knew a Jewish fellow who survived Hitler's killing machine and who said (in the 1970's, mind you,) that America was becoming more and more like Nazi Germany. Just think about that for a minute.

In a police state, the police have unlimited power against the population, and complete immunity from their misdeeds against hapless citizens. This just confirms in my mind that we're approaching Solzhenitsyn's Lament; where people are going to start regretting NOT standing up to the police state machinery.

Then again, every year for the last 15-16 years have set new records for the amount of ammunition sold to private citizens. Perhaps there are a lot more people out there who know what's coming next than anyone is willing to publicly admit. Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, Moan, Moan, Moan. How come no...

2012-08-05T13:27:13.459-06:00

Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, Moan, Moan, Moan. How come no one seems to have the balls to take care of these problem cops on their own. If this happens in your A.O. then you have the authority to deal out what you get.

I visit a donut snorters page from behind a proxy ...

2012-08-04T23:22:10.043-06:00

I visit a donut snorters page from behind a proxy to laugh at the comments and get news from a non communist news source. The porker page is ran by an ex-cop who thinks all countries in the world are looking at his page when it is really people behind proxies who know he can't be trusted. Don't dial 911 dial 1911 instead.

“I don’t understand why the police officers in thi...

2012-08-04T10:48:23.358-06:00

“I don’t understand why the police officers in this country don’t stand up collectively and say, `we’re going to go on strike,”

Oh no, Brer Fox, PLEASE don't throw us in that there briar patch!

Municipal/State bankruptcy is looking more and mor...

2012-08-04T08:12:50.495-06:00

Municipal/State bankruptcy is looking more and more like a
blessing in disguise, especially if it will rid us of
these politically negotiated union contracts.

http://theiacp.org/PublicationsGuides/ResearchCent...

2012-08-03T18:02:26.656-06:00

http://theiacp.org/PublicationsGuides/ResearchCenter/Publications/tabid/299/Default.aspx?v=1&id=1818

The above lin is to a new publication on the site of the International Association of Chiefs of Police - an organization I recently found out my local sheriff belongs to. Here is an excerpt from Chapter 22, which is a superb example of Orwellian gibberish which I am sure you can decode with ease:

"For chiefs who are committed to preparing for a critical incident involving use of force issues,highly specialized training is essential. For example, table top excercises in partnership with other key players such as the city manager, command staff, pbulic information officers, Department of Justice officials, and trusted partners within the media, police union, and public interest groups can be useful. Such excercises can smulate the type of pressures generated during a real crisis. Crafting a post-incident protocol in partnership with this group that fits the norms of unique communities and departmental policies and procedures would be invaluable as a guide during a real incident. Communication strategies that inform the public while maintaining the confidence of front line officers who require the chief's support require planning in advance and should not be addressed for the first time during an emotionally charged event."

Mr. Grigg, I would so like you take on this document and this organization....

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/world/americas/i...

2012-08-03T14:05:49.943-06:00

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/world/americas/in-mexico-reclaiming-the-forests-and-the-right-to-feel-safe.html?_r=3&hp&pagewanted=all

Have you read this article from the times about a ...

2012-08-03T14:04:32.768-06:00

Have you read this article from the times about a Mexican town that forcibly disarmed and expelled all their police, and formed their own community defense league to stave off cartels and illegal loggers?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/world/americas/in-mexico-reclaiming-the-forests-and-the-right-to-feel-safe.html?_r=3&hp&pagewanted=all

They certainly seem happier without cops.

The last picture is disturbing enough. It looks l...

2012-08-03T10:57:18.448-06:00

The last picture is disturbing enough. It looks like an occupation army on the prowl. Which makes the recent announcements by the Marine Corps about setting up police battalions all the more troubling. I suppose we can dispense with the antique notion that Posse Comitatus even exists as the past couple of decades has proven it, like the Constitution, hasn't stopped a thing.

I do not like the power cops and prosecutors have ...

2012-08-03T06:30:11.542-06:00

I do not like the power cops and prosecutors have - it has been shown to be abused time and time again to the detriment of us. However, that said I don't think that vigilantes are the solution either.

Take for example a case of false allegation of a sexual assault (and if you think this doesn't occur regularly I encourage you to read Actual Innocence by Scheck/Neufeld/Dwyer). In the vigilante world the accused would be killed before it could be proven one way or the other. That is not the type of position we want to be in either.

So the question becomes: How do we rein in the abuses of the thugs in blue? The answer seems simple - take away their immunity from suits - and lengthen the statute of limitations to go after the abusers. When it costs governments millions to defend against the abuses, they will be much more diligent in weeding out the bad.

In my case the CT Supreme Court ruled that the prosecutor (with cooperation from the State Police) abused my civil rights - however, because more than 2 years had passed between our discovery of the problem and the ruling that cleared my name, I am unable to sue.

Great writing, as usual Will... I look forward to ...

2012-08-02T17:04:26.811-06:00

Great writing, as usual Will... I look forward to every post... I wish more eyes would open to the atrocities these "heroes" commit on a daily basis... This new license plate recognition software has some frightening possibilities to further our loss of privacy and increase of harrassment... http://gcn.com/articles/2012/08/01/police-license-plate-scanners-data-storage.aspx Thanks again for all your work, and I'll continue to contribute when I can...

I remember getting my jacket stolen from work, wal...

2012-08-02T10:29:50.654-06:00

I remember getting my jacket stolen from work, walking the 2 blocks to the police station to report the crime and being politely told to call 911. From within the police station! Only then would something be done. Utter lunacy. But when the thief strolled by carrying my jacket and I pointed this out, there were suddenly a half dozen police officers ready to make an arrest.

@ swiftformakrk2: the problem with the statement,...

2012-08-02T06:38:34.413-06:00

@ swiftformakrk2:

the problem with the statement, "taking the law into their own hands" is that it's where all laws begin--each and every mundane. so it should not be spoken as if it's some cursed thing to do when justice is either lacking or not coming.

Rick

>> . . . Michael Bloomberg ... suggested tha...

2012-08-02T03:14:01.542-06:00

>> . . . Michael Bloomberg ... suggested that police nationwide should go on strike until the law-abiding public disarms itself.

On the one hand, I would appreciate seeing the thugs in blue and their salaries disappearing from the community.

On the other hand, as liberranter says, "almost none of them are fit for gainful, private sector employment". Meaning, of course, that in no time, the striking cops would either return to work, or turn to "illegal" crime (as opposed to the "legal" crime they currently perpetrate).

As it is, too often, the only thing separating the illegal criminal element from the law enforcement criminal element is a city-issued badge.

We'd be better off without the cops. Anyone who thinks vigilante justice would be so awful needs to read Roger D. McGrath's book 'GUNFIGHTERS, HIGHWAYMEN & VIGILANTES: Violence On The Frontier'. Don't knock it until you've done the research!

~ D-FensDogg
'Loyal American Underground'

www.policemisconduct.net In case you haven't ...

2012-08-01T23:44:22.536-06:00

www.policemisconduct.net

In case you haven't heard enough of the horror.

"Perez" was a misidentified Lopez. Thank...

2012-08-01T18:22:48.178-06:00

"Perez" was a misidentified Lopez. Thanks for the correction!

Who's Perez?

2012-08-01T18:18:33.637-06:00

Who's Perez?

The only problem with weaning these uniformed thug...

2012-08-01T16:25:25.301-06:00

The only problem with weaning these uniformed thugs from the public teat is that almost none of them are fit for gainful, private sector employment. The result would be roving bands of unemployed psychopaths who would not only pose a far greater danger to the community than when they hid behind a badge, but would probably have large numbers of their fellow gang-bangers still clad in blue actively aiding and abetting their marauding. The only hope of effective protection would be a citizenry armed with firepower equal to or exceeding that of the State's enforcers.

When the police don't do their jobs, the publi...

2012-08-01T14:25:42.235-06:00

When the police don't do their jobs, the public eventually starts to take the law into their own hands. And despite NYC Mayor Blowhard's wishes, even if there were no more guns except in the hands of cops, the people would still take matters into their own hands.

At this point, main street America would probably be better off with vigilante justice than the protection of their local "finest".

Will, you've once again stated the sadly obvio...

2012-08-01T13:50:14.943-06:00

Will, you've once again stated the sadly obvious: No cops would be a blessing.