Comments on Pro Libertate: Put Not Your Trust In Federalized Sheriffs

All police officers are agents of state-authorized...

2013-02-05T09:46:57.783-07:00

All police officers are agents of state-authorized violence. They are indoctrinated to treat all citizens as a threat to "Officer Safety," which they are taught to perceive as the most important consideration in all interactions with the public.

It doesn't matter whether they are "good" or "bad"; the point is that each of them is a threat and should be perceived as such.

On the subject of over-broad characterizations, it should be pointed out that neither of the examples you cite helps your case.

Adam Lanza was not a gun owner; he stole firearms that belonged to his mother. Nor is there so much as a particle of evidence that Ted Kaczynski, whose preferred weapon was an improvised bomb, was an advocate of the Second Amendment. These may seem like tiny nits at which to pick, but let the record reflect that you're the one accusing other people of trafficking in lazy stereotypes.

I do find it offensive that your general assumptio...

2013-02-05T09:15:28.447-07:00

I do find it offensive that your general assumption is that all officers and deputies are like the nimrod in the video and should be regarded as so. To say that is to say all gun owners are like the kid in Conn. or that all pro-Second people are like the Unabomber. Sorry but trying to paint all officer/deputies as bad because of the actions of others is juvenile and hurts your claims.

Couple of things I have noticed from the comments....

2013-02-05T09:01:32.690-07:00

Couple of things I have noticed from the comments. It really does not matter if a Sheriff makes a statement, because many on here think they are all going to be gun-grabbers in the end. Another, somehow taking grant money makes them part of the problem, even if it is money for school security. Sorry, but who is that? You mean I cant stand for the Second and not take tax money being returned to the local area. If some of you think that no one in your local county should take federal tax money then all of your cities and county governments would be broke in weeks. I understand some on here are very anti-government to the point that you just distrust everyone, but lets not be over the top. As for tying drugs to the right to bear arms...thats a hard battle to try and win. Sorry but most people that support the 2nd are not going to also their sheriffs to not enforce drug laws. One is in the constitution and the other is not. In the end, if it came down to it, the military and law enforcement will both have people split on the issue just as the publc is. The lines will be drawn and some will be willing to cross over to fight for thir rights. But in the end, taking grant money back from the government for services to provide does not mean you wont draw the line when it comes to gun laws.

What it boils down to is us against them. If you t...

2013-01-29T17:11:19.705-07:00

What it boils down to is us against them. If you think for one minute that police will be on your side just keep those blinders on..

Mr. Lava -- I do read through the comments, and I ...

2013-01-28T14:08:30.539-07:00

Mr. Lava -- I do read through the comments, and I received your e-mail regarding surveillance. Thank you!

Some of my favorite bloggers turn out to be those ...

2013-01-28T11:39:27.733-07:00

Some of my favorite bloggers turn out to be those apologists, too.

Grits for Breakfast writes a good, if jargonesque, blog about the legal system. (I forget his real name) I was surprised when he said exactly what Adrian Garcia said about guns in classrooms.
His take is that the children are so dumb they'll play around with it and get shot.

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Grigg, I didn't think you would read thru comments and I wanted to suggest two items on surveillance and/or ticket cameras.

Joshua, by that reasoning if a drone hovers right ...

2013-01-28T05:25:53.292-07:00

Joshua, by that reasoning if a drone hovers right outside your window, or along the property line, and zooms in without "touching" the surface of the ground, and they "suspect" you of ANYTHING (and when hasn't a cop not abused any tools they acquire) then they'll use that surveillance as yet another excuse to kick in your door. I'm sick and tired of all the tortured legal gymnastics used against the citizenry to bludgeon us, once again, with the constant drumbeat of totalitarian diktats. Reasonable? Reasonable to WHOM? Who else but Leviathan and it's goose-stepping minions and lick spittle apologists.

Good article overall, but one point you make used ...

2013-01-27T08:34:31.383-07:00

Good article overall, but one point you make used the rhetorical figure of an astute journalist asking about overhead surveillance being unconstitutional: It is not unconstitutional to make optical contact with a surface. Search and seizure case law is pretty established on this point, since Knotts and recently reiterated under Jones. The English doctrine of "The eye, by the laws of England, cannot be guilty of a trespass," is the primary doctrine that infuses this side of search law: we don't outlaw a cop's visual contact with a surface any more than we do of a citizen's. So aerial overflights are okay, under our interpretations of the Fourth Amendment, if it is reasonable to expect overhead flights because overhead flights of a commercial nature already exist, under Florida v. Riley. (or at least, so goes the interpretation of "reasonable expectation of privacy," contextualized for the new technologies).

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2013-01-27T02:48:37.960-07:00

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"Sheriff Mims heroically subdues a violent pl...

2013-01-26T14:56:36.495-07:00

"Sheriff Mims heroically subdues a violent plant."

oh man, that was funny!!!

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So these poseur sheriffs are just putting on a sho...

2013-01-26T10:29:18.635-07:00

So these poseur sheriffs are just putting on a show? That is ok appearance is everything. Beyonce the magnificent was actually singing the other day at the immaculation of Imam Hussein and he loves this country. They could just get some blue helmets or Won Dum Sumbitch down at the Chinee free trade zone to do the confiscation comrades. This is the great leap forward that low information voters wanted so I hope it all works out for them. We wouldn't want to disturb their delusions or comfort.

I live in Houston, TX and just saw a perfect examp...

2013-01-25T16:21:07.085-07:00

I live in Houston, TX and just saw a perfect example of this. Harris County Sheriff, Adrian Garcia, hasn't made any statements on protecting gun rights for the public, but he just stated that armed teachers in the classroom are a "bad idea." He claims that his deputies would have a hard time distinguishing between a malicious shooter and an armed teacher.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/At-school-safety-meeting-panelists-focus-on-4222224.php

By the time the deputies get there, it will be over and the teacher would have set the gun down, so it would really be no problem. Our Sheriff would rather more kids die while waiting for the cops than see his deputies have a hard time. He obviously doesn't care about us or our children. Glad I didn't vote for him.

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2013-01-23T22:12:30.104-07:00

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"Four ATF officers were killed during that Su...

2013-01-22T13:46:51.982-07:00

"Four ATF officers were killed during that Sunday morning raid...their victims acted within their rights in using deadly force."

I agree that the deaths were well deserved (and I disagree with drugwarrant that such people are "victims" of the drug war.)
But I'm not sure the four guys were killed by the now-victims.
Wasn't another theory that they were killed by fellow officers?

P.S. I read about Waco back in '93. I remember reading that the survivors were convicted of shooting, even as the court acknowledged that it was self-defense.

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Thanks for bringing this up, William. We can expe...

2013-01-22T12:42:23.281-07:00

Thanks for bringing this up, William.

We can expect that cops respond to incentives just like the rest of us, and that they are generally not particularly principled individuals, again like most of us. When it comes to "free" federal money, they will whore themselves out. When it comes to themselves or their minions actually risking being shot by irate gun owners, they become a bit more reluctant. Oh, and the chiefs are politicians too, with all that implies.

Bottom line, while their position on guns is not consistent with what they do otherwise, there may actually be something there...

donna from ND- Our county commissioners increase...

2013-01-22T11:14:39.293-07:00

donna from ND-

Our county commissioners increased the Sheriff's Dept. 2013 budget several 100,000 dollars for a county with less than 4,000 population, mostly farmers & small town folk. According to the 'proposed' budget the sheriff needs two additional deputies, new computer equipment capable of geographic surveillance link-up, new squad cars, and a $100,000 upgrade to our one-room county 'prison' housed within the court house. This county is at a 200 mile distance from the Bakken Oil Field and I'm not aware of any dramatic increase in overall crime. However, I did observe an apparent 'test flight' of a drone through our valley less than a month ago. Seemed like the operator wasn't too assured of the controls. There are but TWO families in this valley, ourselves on 1700 acres of pastured horses, sheep, & cattle, and our neighbors 1 1/2 mile across the creek who run a dairy & a few range cows on their 1500 acres.

Our property taxes have increased once again, but I'm sure bleeding us will not warrant any 'influence' over departmental decisions. We were told to "shut-up or be thrown out" by the CC Chairman,'Pork'(real nickname) Lawler' at the county property tax 'Hearing' in October when we asked specific questions regarding the 'proposed' increases.

As a kid, I loved the Richard Greene "Robin Hood" series. Watching them now, I realize the profound influence those 1/2 hour stories had on my view of 'authority'! Trouble is...there's no Sherwood Forest to provide refuge and base of operations.

You might be better served trying to recruit LE th...

2013-01-22T10:32:57.508-07:00

You might be better served trying to recruit LE than drive them into Obama's arms.Exactly what are you trying to accomplish?

My chief objective in writing this essay is to make it clear that to the extent sheriffs are accepting federal funds, they are already in "Obama's arms" -- or at least at the end of his leash. That fact exists, and it won't go away if we pretend that it doesn't.

great blog- I've been googling the refuseniks ...

2013-01-22T08:20:09.362-07:00

great blog- I've been googling the refuseniks names and typing 'marijuana' after to demonstrate to people how much these sheriff's are 'protecting' us.
you did a much more thorough and eloquent job, Will.
Thanks!

Just to pick nits - The Cylon in charge at the lev...

2013-01-22T05:20:01.978-07:00

Just to pick nits - The Cylon in charge at the level of controlling air traffic for the country/region would be more like Obergruppenfuehrer or Oberstgruppenfuehrer. Obersturmfuehrer would be a senior lieutenant. No disagreement with the comparison to the SS and SD.
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You might be better served trying to recruit LE th...

2013-01-22T04:16:14.715-07:00

You might be better served trying to recruit LE than drive them into Obama's arms.

Exactly what are you trying to accomplish?

All true. But if we start devouring our own and ES...

2013-01-21T23:14:54.005-07:00

All true. But if we start devouring our own and ESPECIALLY those who are publiclly stepping over a very big line to come to our side, we will NOT be victorious.
I will embrace ANY who have the conviction to come away from the fascists.

Mr. Grigg, You say: "[T]he Drug Enforcement ...

2013-01-21T22:13:36.107-07:00

Mr. Grigg,

You say: "[T]he Drug Enforcement Administration – an agency that could be considered the mentally deficient stepchild of the CIA, which is the world’s largest narcotics syndicate."

Well said, Mr. Grigg. 90% of the world's opium is produced in Afghanistan, a totally landlocked country occupied by 150,000 US troops, where no plane can land or take off without the knowledge and approval of the occupying US Reichssicherheitsdienst and its commanding Obersturmfuhrer.

Yet, 99% of the heroin (refined opium) coming into the USA originates in Colombia, which grows NO opium poppies. HOW then does the opium get from Afghanistan to Colombia to be refined into heroin? We are talking many tons - not amounts that can fit in someone's carry-on luggage. It takes entire planes to transport that much opium.

Answer: A certain cabal of criminals inside the CIA who are facilitating the drug trade into this country in collaboration with the drug cartels. Ever heard of those unmarked CIA planes used to "render" innocent people to other countries for torture?

What is the perfect crime? One that nobody knows has been committed. The culture of secrecy in the CIA is the perfect venue for vile crimes of the most heinous description.

There is also more to the Justice Department's gun-runing to the Mexican drug cartels than meets the eye. Everyone in America does as they are told by the CIA - even the President.

You said well, Mr. Grigg. You could also say that the entire US government itself is the biggest crime syndicate in the world. Of course, one could say that most governments are crime syndicates - this one is just the biggest and most profitable.

And "Law Enforcement" in the USA is merely the strong arm of the criminal cabal. The ignorant public are its innocent victims. That's why they want to disarm us - so that when we wake up to reality, we will be helpless to resist.

At anonymouse @10:04pm The only piece of paper LE...

2013-01-21T11:54:51.075-07:00

At anonymouse @10:04pm

The only piece of paper LEO's of any corrupt color accept as "gospel" is their paycheck. Everything else is just for show.