Comments on Pro Libertate: The Chain of Command and the Executioner in the Classroom

We have not had a constitutional republic for a lo...

2015-11-09T19:11:17.577-07:00

We have not had a constitutional republic for a long time. See EyeOfTheEagle--Lee Brobst.

@Darren Wolfe I know that the left does it too bu...

2015-11-05T07:25:46.098-07:00

@Darren Wolfe

I know that the left does it too but the left doesn't wave around US flags and claim to be for liberty. That's for the most part a conservative tactic to gain power, as libertarians we know that they're full of it. At the very least the neoreactionaries are honest on how they want statism.

You screwed up by allowing yourself to be in that ...

2015-11-05T03:16:05.074-07:00

You screwed up by allowing yourself to be in that pigsty in the first place. Never let them get that close to you....when the hand cuffs go on it is too late. Be ready ...just to get you in the right frame of mind go to.....
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'what Eli says in the last few seconds after unloading 5 rounds of .45 Colt into the Perp!!!
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Of course, the "problem" supposedly solv...

2015-11-04T21:52:09.461-07:00

Of course, the "problem" supposedly solved by segregation was created, in large measure, by the ancestors of the people who devised that cunning policy, when said ancestors insisted on bringing enchained people from Africa and claim them as property.

That same earlier cohort spent the 1850s as arch-unionists, demanding that the federal government track down and return any black person of sufficient initiative to re-segregate himself. The people promoting that policy denounced efforts to interpose against the Fugitive Slave Law as "subversion," and abolitionist calls for secession as "treason."

They sang a rather different tune following the election of 1860, of course: Suddenly secession was a righteous and holy cause to them. They tacitly embraced Talleyrand's dictum that "treason is simply a matter of dates" -- and anticipated Lenin's principle that the basic question is politics is Who does What to Whom.

As a supporter of free association, I have no objection to secession of any variety, including voluntary segregation. That necessarily means I opposed government-compelled integration -- and government-dictated segregation on the same principle.

Back when we has sense enough to separate from the...

2015-11-04T21:23:58.178-07:00

Back when we has sense enough to separate from the negro we had a system in place called "segregation". We didn't need school resource officers. Ain't progress grand?

In other news, two more sweet innocent little black angels aged 13 & 14 stabbed a white woman to death. But you won't see that on the National News.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/30435084/two-teens-arrested-in-brutal-stabbing-death-of-lees-summit-woman#ixzz3qaCTvY1n

Isn't the purpose of any school to teach stude...

2015-11-04T11:52:24.811-07:00

Isn't the purpose of any school to teach students? Can students learn if there is disruption in the classroom? Isn't yapping on a cell phone disruptive?

Refusing to cease being disruptive calls for some form of discipline. If the teacher has no alternative but to call for physical assistance, the issue then is one of "how", not "what".

I fully agree that dragging by the hair is wrong. I also believe that if resistance involves striking, scratching or biting, it is indeed wrongful assault, not self-defense.

Desertrat

Good point Will, yes remove the students and deal ...

2015-11-04T05:44:10.550-07:00

Good point Will, yes remove the students and deal with the situation without violence. That has become the answer to everything with government, violence from their armed enFORCEment squads. But the establishment has the demeanor of being The Rulers of the people and the people better jump when told or else they deserve to suffer violence.
On the rancher Council. There is no way the rancher was out to make trouble. He may have been mad at some hand of his that did not secure the fencing or a gate and the bull got out. Or ticked off at the traffic on the road, but he did not go there to pick a fight with the cops. The first thing one knows is this sort of thing happens, cattle gets lose and gets on the roadways. Which ends up in stock being killed or needs to be put down, it's simply part of the cost of running cattle. Any logical person not having been there knows they do not know what happen. But at the same time knows it's fair to wonder what the cops did if anything to provoke the situation. One thing we do know for a fact. If the cops were wrong, the cops will lie to cover it up, they always do.

This is unrelated to the story, but please Mr. Gri...

2015-11-03T17:46:54.581-07:00

This is unrelated to the story, but please Mr. Grigg can you start digging into what happened in Council ID. with Jack Yantis dying at the hands of Adams county Sheriffs.

I have called Adams County Sheriff and confirmed that the deputies had both Dash and Body cams. I then called ISP to find out when they will release the footage, never was pretty much the reply. They also wont say who shot first or if Mr. Yantis even fired in the deputies direction.

I fear the FACTS in this case will never see the light of day.

As I understand the school district's policies...

2015-11-02T22:37:42.447-07:00

As I understand the school district's policies, it would have been appropriate for the teacher to relocate her class to the library for a "study hall," if necessary, and then have the student expelled from school and barred from the property. The change of scenery would have been seen as a reward by the students who behaved themselves.

This would have been less disruptive than the route that was eventually chosen -- with the added advantage of preventing a violent episode that not only disrupted the class, but left one student injured and another facing criminal prosecution for merely objecting to the officer's grotesque assault.

While I agree that the cop's actions were comp...

2015-11-02T21:44:39.806-07:00

While I agree that the cop's actions were completely wrong, how do you handle someone who has no respect for the rights of others? As a libertarian I feel that the property rights of the school should be respected by obeying the rules and that the school has a right to enforce them. A student is bound by the rules if they wish to remain in class. Expelling a student that is non-compliant is reasonable. The student should have at least left the room if she refused to stop using the phone, however the take-down by the cop was shocking and brutal.

When I was in school students observed the rules without police enforcement. We didn't feel like "slaves", but we did have respect for the authority of the teachers. Of course, at that time cell phones didn't exist and teachers gave swats with a paddle. Parents had no objections to discipline.

It's not only conservatives who think that way...

2015-11-02T05:25:25.143-07:00

It's not only conservatives who think that way but the left too:

'I would suggest that Darren’s non-aggression principle needs restatement. He says it is this: “It is immoral to initiate the use of force or the threat of force against peaceful people.” Force and aggression are not the same thing. A dentist uses force to pull a bad tooth in an innocent patient. The police officer’s pistol represents the threat of force to the demonstrators as she or he watches the angry demonstrators march by, and the threat of force represented by that pistol is often that which keeps the demonstrators innocent and “peaceful people.” And the implied threat of force against the demonstrators who are innocent people is, paradoxically, used by police protecting the demonstrators rights to petition for redress of their grievances.'

This is from a professor's reply to something I wrote about his opposition to gun rights: http://theinternationallibertarian.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-professors-reply-to-gun-rights.html

Excellent piece Will, the conservative blind devot...

2015-11-02T04:54:15.793-07:00

Excellent piece Will, the conservative blind devotion to the state's welfare thugs is another reason why libertarians, anarcho-capitalists and voluntarists need to drop the delusion that working with conservatives is going to bring about liberty. People like Bill Buppert, Larkin Rose and Chris Cantwell are 100% right; there is no such thing as a good cop.

To the conservative, order and security trumps liberty and only pretend to be for liberty when the left is in power. Interesting enough I saw on the Facebook page "Not Being Governed" that if the teacher (who is probably a leftist) was teaching Islam and the student did the exact same thing that got the coproach involved, conservatives would be rallying around this kid to defend "Western Civilization from Islam" or some other conservative troupe. Not to mention the conservative delusion that these same cops whos boots that they lick that they wont take our guns.

We are mostly made up of dumb cattle, eagerly seek...

2015-11-01T06:12:04.450-07:00

We are mostly made up of dumb cattle, eagerly seeking the next guidance from the herd, at the sacrifice of the individuals who see the herd heading right off of a cliff, and daring to attempt to stop it. Klaatu should let GORT destroy us, in a perfect ending.

So, get down on your knees, obey my diktat, slave,...

2015-10-31T15:01:02.315-06:00

So, get down on your knees, obey my diktat, slave, or feel my wrath, right, anonymous? Exactly who in the **** do you think you are that you get to dispense "justice"? Have you conveniently forgotten that EVERYONE has the right to due process if the govt wants to deny you your life, liberty, or property, and yes that fascist pig cop is an agent of the govt. The govt doesn't get to arbitrarily give out punishment and then you get your due process later. Maybe in your fantasy police state land, but that's NOT how it's supposed to be in our constitutional republic. But that's not a surprise as most citizens are ignorant slaves and content in the servitude. Sounds more like you're bitter that someone has the gall to say no, I will not be a slave. That's your problem, slave.

So we should cater to the narcissism of Little Mis...

2015-10-31T09:32:44.599-06:00

So we should cater to the narcissism of Little Miss Princess yammering away with her frinz on her cellphone during class? "Ain't no teacha gonna tell me what to do!" Little Miss was given every opportunity to either put away her cellphone or leave class. She brought it entirely on herself.