Comments on Pro Libertate: The Conscience of a Killer

Thank-you for the excellent article. After the po...

2014-12-31T01:48:34.373-07:00

Thank-you for the excellent article. After the police murder of my friend in 2001, I couldn't have imagined a more egregious case, but the point-blank execution of Michael Bell while restrained by several officers trumps it in some ways. Robert Woodward's case illustrated several other aspects of the "justice system"'s depravity -- such as state-sanctioned torture and character assassination. Salient details include the victim's being handcuffed and held face down on the floor while he bleed out to prevent a present physician from treating his wounds, the passage of an hour before he was delivered to the hospital, and a well-engineered cover-up involving months of the Attorney General's resources.

One thing these cases have in common is that the victim is dead, which I think is no accident -- a survivor is much more problematic for the subsequent cover-up. In Woodward's case it apparently involved the collusion of the EMT's, who in this small Vermont town at least, work closely with police like the prosecutors.

http://justiceforwoody.wtc7.net

The only problem I see is that he didn't shoot...

2014-09-09T08:04:41.216-06:00

The only problem I see is that he didn't shoot the murder Officer Albert Gonzalez first.

If the dirty cop had been held accountable, it mig...

2014-08-19T09:26:04.745-06:00

If the dirty cop had been held accountable, it might have been possible to save the man.

This suicide is justice. Good riddance, dirty cop....

2014-08-19T09:12:55.350-06:00

This suicide is justice. Good riddance, dirty cop.

These types of murders are typical of Wisconsin an...

2012-10-25T01:30:41.684-06:00

These types of murders are typical of Wisconsin and Kenosha in particular. I've lived in wisconsin for nearly 25 years including 15 years in Kenosha. I can definitely say from experience the fat blue-uniformed pigs in Kenosha are nothing more than a band of criminal gangsters hell bent on wringing as much wealth from the few productive people that live there. I went to middle and high school with Mike and although he wasn't exactly the best behaved student on the face of the earth, he certainly never engaged in any activities worthy of summary execution like what he received at the hands of KPD. Will, I'm willing to bet the farm that if you did a little investigating, you'd find almost an infinite number of police brutality stories from municipal Pig departments up and down Wisconsin's Lake Michigan shore: Pleasant (pffft!) Prairie, Kenosha, Mount Pleasant (pffft, again!),Racine, Caledonia, Oak Creek, Franklin, etc. ad nauseum. Also, check out the various sheriff's departments. There are numerous tax-feeding parasites that do little more than hide laying in wait for the next victim they can shake down. I understand that this problem is everywhere across the nation, but Wisconsin seems to have many more than their fair share of criminal syndicates operating as government enforcers and the corruption is at ALL levels (municipal, county and state). They have a particularly large appetite for harassing blacks and hispanics and any whites that happen to keep company with blacks or hispanics. As an young, black man living in Racine, I'm constantly on high alert for the Pigs. Since I work third shift, I do most of my driving at night. I pass through five municipalities in two counties on the way to work and if I DON'T see at least five DIFFERENT "law encorcement" officers camped out waiting for any pretext to start harassing law-abiding individuals, it's usually because they've got some poor soul hemmed up on the side of one of their dark, deserted roads shaking him down. As much as I hold out hope that the silver lining in this dark cloud of a financial melt-down will be that the Pigs will no longer be paid in money of any value, thus leading to their mass attrition, hope is the ONLY thing I hold. If I held my breath, I would have died long ago. Keep up the good work Will!

Great post, I followed some of your links to Polic...

2011-01-07T06:46:01.742-07:00

Great post, I followed some of your links to Policeone.com. After reading the comments on some of their stories, we are in a Doomed. After reading the comments it's clear that all of the think it is their right to treat the tax payers any way they please.

Something has to change.

No, cops do not have higher rates of alcoholism, m...

2011-01-06T23:50:12.628-07:00

No, cops do not have higher rates of alcoholism, members of the service industry win that curse. Unions bullshit all the time to avoid concessions, and twist statistics/studies to achieve their goals. Police enforce the rotten laws because it is their sworn duty. My opinion was based on the largest study done to date, your opinion is based on personal prejudices, and you dismiss a study with anecdotal evidence? Wow!

I give you "all" was overstated. Mea Culpa. Emotional disorders, and sociopathic behavior are difficult to screen.

Thanks for the replies; I've written a blog on this discussion.

To rctify at 4:53, "...alcoholism is an indi...

2011-01-05T21:51:34.003-07:00

To rctify at 4:53,

"...alcoholism is an indicator of heredity. Don't confuse tactics with facts-negotiators are like politicians and hookers."
So which is it - do cops have above average rates of alcoholism, or do they just use it as a bargaining chip? How do people with a hereditary propensity just happen to gravitate to police work?
" ... lot of cops would be happy to see victimless crimes dropped from their enforcement duty." Yet they still enforce these rotten laws because "they are just doing their jobs."
"Meaningless studies that admit to nothing" Show me yours then. Back your argument with science, not supposition."
When your 'studies' are mere bagatelles, then there is no science, just opinion. I base my agreement with WNG (he was being too tactful) on the rampant and open police criminality documented for decades in news reports and now the Internet (thank God for it).
Past reports of such as the Rodney King beating, the BART murder (and subsequent wrist-slap for the murdering policeman, whose fellow officers tried to steal cell phone evidence of the deed), and centgov police involvement at Waco should inform all tax-cattle that the Abu Ghraib/Bagram monsters are loose across the land.
Still unable to make 'many' mean 'all'. Still unable to address previous statements regarding police screening for mental stability.

Anyone who uses the word "Bunkum" is old...

2011-01-05T16:53:31.777-07:00

Anyone who uses the word "Bunkum" is old enough to know alcoholism is an indicator of heredity. Don't confuse tactics with facts-negotiators are like politicians and hookers.

I'm totally against drug offenses; it's a personal choice and I don't even drink. I suspect a lot of cops would be happy to see victimless crimes dropped from their enforcement duty.

"Meaningless studies that admit to nothing" Show me yours then. Back your argument with science, not supposition.

To rctify at 7:29, Meaningless studies that admit...

2011-01-05T15:00:24.040-07:00

To rctify at 7:29,

Meaningless studies that admit to nothing. One's Bunkum Detector should have gone off when the 'access to firearms as causative factor' card was played (similar to the 'access to trigger-finger' correlation). No answer regarding the overlords' claim that police are carefully scrutinized for mental stability and thus should be significantly above the general population in this regard.

The police have for years claimed that their higher than average rates of alcoholism are induced by job stress and thus justify earlier than average retirement/disability payments. Is not alcoholism an indicator of mental instability?
Someone has to be a little nuts to be willing to detain, hurt, or even kill over someone else's possession of liquids, plants, firearms (not being used in the commission of a crime) and myriad other victimless crimes.

"One of the largest studies in the area was c...

2011-01-05T07:29:15.769-07:00

"One of the largest studies in the area was conducted by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) in 1995, which concluded that there is a higher suicide rate in the medical field. But beyond that, NIOSH researchers said, the picture is equivocal: Often the studies are only of one geographic area, sometimes they have methodological problems, and sometimes they contradict each other"

http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan01/suicide.aspx

I showed you mine,show me yours;-)

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2011-01-05T06:03:51.872-07:00

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To rctfy: " ... implies a large number."...

2011-01-05T02:44:18.415-07:00

To rctfy:

" ... implies a large number." still does not equal 'all'.

Since we are told by our lords and masters that every policeman is carefully screened for mental stability, the number of emotionally disturbed police should be well below that of the general population. How many other professions lose twice as many of their ranks to suicide than to job hazards?

Will, Thanks for your response Re: civilian rev...

2011-01-04T23:55:26.804-07:00

Will,

Thanks for your response Re: civilian review boards.

David S.

The complete sentence of "built on a populati...

2011-01-04T22:44:19.819-07:00

The complete sentence of "built on a population" and "Many" implies a large number. I would dispute his profiling if he claimed a percentage of sociopathic behavior that is not equal to civilian population.

If you or anyone is so confident in your assertion, then I would assume you have studies to cite your opinion; otherwise it is daft.

To rdtify at 6:02 PM: Please explain how WNG'...

2011-01-04T22:18:39.846-07:00

To rdtify at 6:02 PM:

Please explain how WNG's statement, "... many of whom...", means 'all police officers'.

I’m not involved with law enforcement in any capac...

2011-01-04T18:02:42.761-07:00

I’m not involved with law enforcement in any capacity and I have no clue what the acronym UFSA represents. I absolutely agree that police abuse is an underreported issue and it appears the officer in question stalked the victim. How does that make all police officers emotionally unstable?

An otherwise fair and informative article but for ...

2011-01-04T16:56:21.804-07:00

An otherwise fair and informative article but for your sill [SIC] psychological analysis.

Your statement compels me to ask you if you're a current or recently retired/resigned/ cashiered cop. If your answer is no, then I'm compelled to ask what country you live in. Either you are not a resident of the UFSA or you are an inmate of some institution within the UFSA that has isolated you from contact with society at large for at least the last two decades. There is simply no other logical explanation for anyone who would take issue with William's self-evidently spot-on conclusion.

"What this means, of course, is that our syst...

2011-01-04T14:27:02.178-07:00

"What this means, of course, is that our system of "public safety" is built on a population of armed functionaries invested with the power of discretionary killing, many of whom are so emotionally unstable that they pose a potentially lethal threat even to themselves."

An otherwise fair and informative article but for your sill psychological analysis.

Not about this particular case, but I came across ...

2011-01-04T10:16:00.768-07:00

Not about this particular case, but I came across a story today where there the cops opened fire on a trailer in a park in Ohio after one of their own went down from a shotgun blast. Full details are still forthcoming but I'm amazed at how they're quite eager to pump round after round without regard to their surroundings. Guess if you got hit by a stray round it would "suck" to be you. Huh?

@liberranter.... "pure political theater"...

2011-01-04T10:12:29.858-07:00

@liberranter.... "pure political theater".

Exactly. Purely to lay a false balm on the battered minds, bodies and pocket books of the already abused public.

CRBs tend to be, at best, institutional placebos. ...

2011-01-04T09:49:11.321-07:00

CRBs tend to be, at best, institutional placebos. Until and unless we reconfigure the system at an elemental level, "oversight" measures aren't likely to do us any good.

Exactly.

I often ask myself the following "chicken-or-the-egg" question: Do cops get away with (literal) murder because police forces have become Frankenstein monsters beyond the control of their Ruling Class creators, or are they running amok, creating murder, mayhem, and terror, because they are the PERFECT instrument of Ruling Class control and are doing so at the behest of the Overlords? Either way, CRBs never have done and never will do anything whatsoever to address, let alone solve, the problem of OOC cops, for two simple reasons. First, none of these bodies are truly independent, nor are they endowed with any binding powers to sanction or punish offenders. Second, ALL such bodies are inherently political, controlled by the same political machine that "controls" police forces and are packed with appointees favored by the very Power Elite for whom the cops under review serve as "muscle." For these reasons and many others that have probably already been raised, to lend CRBs any credibility whatsoever is an exercise in pure political theater.

David S. asked: "*In what ways has your thin...

2011-01-04T08:50:18.566-07:00

David S. asked:

"*In what ways has your thinking changed regarding CRBs [Civilian Review Boards]?"

David, that question is difficult for me to answer, because I never fully embraced the idea that CRBs were as objectionable as the JBS has long maintained. It's always seemed obvious to me that if we're going to have a "professional" police force they're going to have to be accountable to the public.

The JBS objection to CRBs never made much sense to me. Sure, it's always been a possibility that leftist organizations could stack a local review board and "handcuff" the police, but I'm hard-pressed to find an instance in which that's actually happened -- and, as Scott Horton would put it, the counter-factual examples are abundant.

"* Are there any aspects of the CRB concept that you still find troublesome?

* What is your opinion of Michael Bell's proposal? (It seems to be an improvement, though I'm always suspicious centralizing power and oversight.)"

I've come to the conclusion that the root of the problem is the existence of the paramilitary law enforcement system itself. CRBs tend to be, at best, institutional placebos. Until and unless we reconfigure the system at an elemental level, "oversight" measures aren't likely to do us any good.

Sorry, but I must strongly disagree with the idea ...

2011-01-03T17:08:44.322-07:00

Sorry, but I must strongly disagree with the idea that Strasbaugh's suicide was a tragedy of any kind. Regarding it as such would be akin to mourning my rotten, stinking garbage when it is conveyed to the local dump. Maybe if and when these vicious animals are effectively leashed, hobbled, and muzzled, I might reconsider compassion toward one of them. Until that time, I regard his suicide as nothing more or less than richly earned penance on his part, and a very small victory for freedom for the rest of us. If a couple of million of his comrades and compatriots would emulate his action, we might actually be on our way to experiencing a renaissance of Liberty worth celebrating.

at Anon @ 4:22, i think you have it wrong. i sup...

2011-01-02T16:35:25.044-07:00

at Anon @ 4:22,

i think you have it wrong. i support what Vox Day says about people being "changed by the job". it's BS. jobs do not change people. what the job has brought out is what was already in the person. the job did not put it there. every person has the opportunity [on the job] to stand for what is right, or go along with what is wrong.

the argument you are making sounds like, "the devil made me do it". i don't think that .....i know that no one who goes before God is going to get into heaven by saying that his job made him a bad person. it's also like saying, "i'm a victim of my environment", or "i was born this way".

it ain't gonna happen.

HOWEVER, i think we are on the same sheet of music in that these officers, down the road, realize that what they've done was wrong, and that truth eats at them to the point where they cannot take it anymore.

rick