Comments on Pro Libertate: "Contempt of Cop"

Someone took issue with my statement that SCOTUS i...

2009-10-14T11:04:33.972-06:00

Someone took issue with my statement that SCOTUS intervened in 2000 and we should be grateful.

To clarify (albeit belatedly) I am no fan of George w Bush. But is the eternal recounts in FLA in 200 had been successful, we would have had Al Gore in office. Sure Bush was a bust, but can you honest say you'd have preferred Gore? Rotten choice I'll admit, but at least Bush did a couple of things alright. Gore can't tie his shoes!

I realize no one will probably ever read this, but I only now came back and discovered that I was mistaken for a Bush fan. I can't help that so many people forgot who the losing candidate was in 2000.

Recent 9th Circuit ruling that doesn't help yo...

2009-09-28T18:40:27.365-06:00

Recent 9th Circuit ruling that doesn't help you except to establish precedent restricts Indian stops to look for tribal residents. No reason to suspect any and you have to let them go:

https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php/2009/08/04/p164

Texas police take on blog commenters Published on ...

2009-09-28T15:54:09.276-06:00

Texas police take on blog commenters
Published on 09-27-2009

Source: CNet

Everyone in Austin, Texas always seems unusually charming to me.

The people in Starbucks always have time for a chat. And the staff at the wildly gothic Mansion at Judges Hill (which, I am told, used to be a very fine rehab facility) can induce a smile by merely looking at you.

However, it appears that when certain citizens of Austin get behind their computers, they turn into monstrous villains.

This, at least, appears to be the view of Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo. According to the Austin American-Statesman, the chief is considering pursuing commenters on blogs who have either impersonated him or his officers or maligned them beyond the boundaries of legal tolerance.

Options under discussion appear to be not only libel suits, but also criminal charges if the police believe these are warranted.

"A lot of my people feel it is time to take these people on," Acevedo told the Statesman. "They understand the damage to the organization, and quite frankly, when people are willfully misleading and lying, they are pretty much cowards anyway because they are doing so under the cloak of anonymity."

Among the suggestions allegedly implied under this cloak was behavior of an illegal and sexual nature, something the Statesman characterizes as "quid pro quo" arrangements.

The suggestion of lawsuits seems extreme. However, after the "Skanks in NYC" case, in which Google was forced (without trying too hard to fight) to give up the name of a blogger who targeted Vogue model Liskula Cohen, are anonymous bloggers or commenters truly immune from the consequences of their venting?

It so happens that Texas passed a state law on September 1 that specifically targets those who "use another person's name to post messages on a social-networking site without their permission and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate or threaten." Such willful behavior is now a third-degree felony.

Is it possible, then, that the Austin police will be the first to test this law out? One can only imagine some commenters' reactions.

2009-09-27T20:44:43.488-06:00

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I don't know if you saw this - but it portends...

2009-09-27T10:16:52.148-06:00

I don't know if you saw this - but it portends a dark future.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32e_1253844339

~ Ben Horton

anon at 1015, keep this in mind the next time a c...

2009-09-26T02:50:06.987-06:00

anon at 1015,

keep this in mind the next time a cop ask you for id and you are not driving a vehicle...

"does your state mandate that you BUY it's ID?"

think about that. do you have to have a govt issued ID to walk, go for a jog, ride a bike, go outside? probably not. think of it even further, would a 14 year old (who is not even old enough to drive) have to provide ID? so if a 14 year old passenger does not have to supply ID (because he does not need one)...see where i'm going?

sometimes applying good old common sense can defeat a fool's argument in its tracks.

i've found that the best way to defeat power grabbing govt arguments is to apply not only common sense to it, but some truth, and then assault the lie from several directions. you will then see how foolish the argument/lie is and how to make its presenter look like a fool.

rick

"Will, So do you as a passenger have to show ...

2009-09-25T16:52:10.113-06:00

"Will, So do you as a passenger have to show ID or not? Did this get checked out further?"

Passengers are not required to show ID on demand. Here's the relevant excerpt from the piece"

[...] Sgt. Costner emphasized [that] "there is no physical law that says people have to display ID on demand unless they're driving a vehicle."

"What about a passenger riding in an automobile?" I specified.

"No -- you don't have to display ID as a passenger; only as a driver," repeated Sgt. Costner.

And a house is built from the foundation up. So, ...

2009-09-25T11:50:42.802-06:00

And a house is built from the foundation up. So, we build constitutional and righteous government from the ground (foundation) up.

Stop supporting the leadership and the establishment of either party, but most assuredly the Republican Party. Start educating and "building" candidates that will make good government.

Will, So do you as a passenger have to show ID or ...

2009-09-25T11:15:53.873-06:00

Will, So do you as a passenger have to show ID or not? Did this get checked out futher?

From PrisonPlanet.com: "Military Police Poli...

2009-09-25T11:08:43.651-06:00

From PrisonPlanet.com:

"Military Police Police Kidnap G20 Protester, Shove Him Into Unmarked Car"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-police-kidnap-g20-protester-shove-him-into-unmarked-car.html

YouTube video summary of the incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6iJ62w18k

They say that (enter scatagorical terminology) rol...

2009-09-25T07:57:58.847-06:00

They say that (enter scatagorical terminology) rolls downhill. Thats no lie. Everything we experience at a local level can be traced, even if only in spirit, from the very attitudes and actions of those closest to the levers of power. Just how long it takes to wind its way down to those roots depends on the amount of upward pressure working in the opposite direction.

Believe me, this is all true. The depth and immens...

2009-09-25T05:45:29.206-06:00

Believe me, this is all true. The depth and immensity of the evil among certain of the powerful of this world is horrifying and distressing to any sane human being. I for one can only conclude that these people who rule us must have a screw loose somewhere - they must be just a litle bit insane. How can they do these things for money and power? Have they no emotions? No heart? No conscience? No pity?

What shall it profit a man if he should gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

And if you think I am being dramatic just for effect, this time I am not. The reality is much, much worse than that.

The brutality of law enforcement in America is only a symptom of a rot, and a corruption, and a vile, evil callousness towards suffering humanity, that begins at the top, and is slowly working its way down through the bureaucracy.

Sincerely,
Lemuel Gulliver.

MoT, I thank you for speaking out against the sta...

2009-09-25T05:44:53.082-06:00

MoT,

I thank you for speaking out against the statement: "SCOTUS prevented that, and we should be eternally grateful."

I was waiting for the writer to confirm that he meant what he appeared to be saying before launching into the fray.

As a transplanted Brit, I am constantly grateful to be living among the American people. This is truly a remarkable country - the passionate love of liberty still burns strong in many hearts. The Europeans are very cautious in everything, including interpersonal relations, which has its benefits, but it does tend to stifle the life spirit. I still have hope that the USA has not begun to die, but in its present adversity is becoming a better and a wiser place.

Unfortunately the MSM (media) is a tool of The Corporate State. To what extent this is true would astonish and stun 99 out of 100 people. Nobody realizes how controlled it is. (If you want real examples, reply and I'll tell you.) Second, the Congress is totally controlled by the Corporatocracy which is the real power in America, by (1) money, which is the carrot, and (2) the ease of character assasination by the media, which is the stick.

Third, the Corporatocracy works hand-in-hand with the intelligence and law-enforcement agencies. We used to only have the CIA and FBI. Now we have the NSA, DHS, DIA, and a whole slew of 3-letter centers of power, whose immense crimes against the American people would cause you to faint from shock if you knew them. Sibel Edmonds reveals only a tiny glimpse of a tiny part of this criminal cabal.

Question: What is the perfect crime? Answer: One that nobody even knows has been committed. Question: How do you achieve that? Answer: By working within an organization sanctioned by the State whose every activity is secret from the people, the Congress, and even from most employees within the organization.

There are small groups of people, from three or four to a dozen or so, within the CIA, who conduct operations secretly from everyone else in the Agency. There is a pervasive culture throughout the CIA of "Don't ask the wrong questions, or you will be investigated and your life made a misery." People do their own job and strictly mind their own business. I know this for a fact. This is the perfect environment to plan and conduct massive crimes, from murders, extortion, massacres, torture, assassinations, drug running, arms sales and terrorism to subversion of the Constitution of the United States. Why? All for money and power.

The same obtains in intelligence agencies in other countries. It is a brotherhood of criminal mafias which serve the interests of the mega-rich, the mega-powerful, and the mega-corporations around the globe, while enriching themselves at the same time.

The last Bush Administration and elements within the Republican Party were part of this criminal cabal. I do not believe any President up to and including Reagan (whom I deeply respected and whose funeral I made it a point to attend, even though I am a committed Democrat,) was in the know, but George H. W. Bush was an ex-director of the CIA, and I believe the U.S. Presidential involvement in the criminal conspiracy began with him.

(Mr. Grigg, does this fit with what I told you and what Sibel Edmonds reports? The Bin Laden Family? The Carlyle Group? The Saudi Royal Family? Mossad? The Pakistani ISI? Now also, it appears, Turkish Intelligence. I was not aware of their involvement, but it makes sense, since they are so tight with the Mossad.)

(Continued.....)

2nd followup. My acquaintance writes: It's ea...

2009-09-24T21:01:24.399-06:00

2nd followup. My acquaintance writes:

It's easy to see why ammunition manufacturers can't keep up with demand. I'm happy to say I'm considerably more optimistic about the future than Grigg is (or you are, I gather).

"It'll happen again" is not the only possible lesson to take from history.

He also wrote earlier:

I am careful in Lapwai, and all the other little towns between Boise and Moscow. For all the miles I've put on Idaho's highways, I've had very few encounters of any sort with the police. The worst encounter we've had did happen to be in the neighborhood of Lapwai, but it was with a deer, during morning twilight. (We got the better of it overall; I don't think the deer had health insurance.)

The most satisfying encounter was with a Garden City officer, Robert Little, who signed the ticket "B. Little", no less.

I had a reverse light malfunction, he cited me for following too closely. I probably was a little too close to the car in front of me, but they were poking along 30-35 in a 45 zone coming off a light, and I was watching the driver very closely (from the slightly elevated POV in our '87 Nissan van), as we were in the last 2 miles of our day-long drive and anxious to get home. I was also watching the Garden City cop car off my starboard quarter, in my right mirror.

Turns out the Idaho Code's requirement for following distance is a "reasonable" one, and I convinced the judge I was a reasonable person. "Following too closely" is almost always a citation you get after you hit something, so that probably helped.

"SCOTUS prevented that, and we should be eter...

2009-09-24T18:54:26.213-06:00

"SCOTUS prevented that, and we should be eternally grateful..."

Are you insane? As opposed to what? With this one we got Patriot Act, endless lies and cover for 9-11, Patriot 2, Perpetual war and death in Iraq and Afghanistan, overseeing the biggest financial debacle ever... The Sibel Edmonds case of rampant treason , corruption ad-nauseum being muzzled by Bush & Co. legal liars, and you're "thankful"? God keep us from that kind of thanks!

leek, your good buddy is nit picking because, deep...

2009-09-24T18:48:47.142-06:00

leek, your good buddy is nit picking because, deep down, they're unwilling to acknowledge they'd probably have caved to the cops request. Therefor it's all in the little semantic details that they wriggle and squirm to provide themselves some sort of intellectual cover.

As a followup: I sent the links Will suggested to ...

2009-09-24T17:19:20.413-06:00

As a followup: I sent the links Will suggested to my friend.

And by the way, my friend lives in Boise.

He wrote this in a follow-up email Re: Will's article:

The credibility problem comes from describing a general problem through recounting a personal anecdote about a minor abuse of power, and then topping it off with murder and mayhem in a way that draws a parallel between them.

I guess I don't understand the problem. Two incidents are described, with different magnitudes.

My friend seems to think it nullifies both of them because they should never be mixed in the same story.

I would say, on the other hand, that it shows how abuse ranges from the small to the extreme, with no-one ever willing to "draw the line" and put an end to it.

All things considered, Will, I think you handled y...

2009-09-24T14:30:43.605-06:00

All things considered, Will, I think you handled yourself admirably.

Admittedly, my blood pressure would immediately elevate as soon as I hear ANYONE spout "because I told you so [to]," but I'd largely keep mum also, if I wasn't the one driving. After all, one has to think of future long-term repercussions of actions beyond the here and now. However, I'd draw the line in the sand if I'm ever commanded to do evil by these Leviathan worker bees. You weren't, so no need to create problems for yourself, your wife, and young child needlessly.

"Because I told you to" is definitely an indicator of the coppers thinking they possess innate authority, no doubt.

But hey, they, like most Amerikaner, are steeped in the "me, myself, and I" and "what's mine is mine and what's yours is potentially mine" mindset and are but a few of the myriad rewards we reap from our craptastic, crud-crusted, circus-saturated culture and are plucked raw right out of it. Ergo, why should we ever expect that the coppers will be something otherworldly? It's ludicrous to think so. They are self-aggrandizing hellions like so many of us, but sanctioned with a badge and a gun of course, unfortunately.

Anyway, this will seem way off-topic to those who are laser-focused upon cops and LE in general (the symptoms rather than the core disease), but nevertheless I think it's worth pondering in light of these dastardly, and unfortunately true to life, cop dramas as well as other Leviathanic machinations.

The Fruits of Apostasy

It is, IMHO, an apropos big picture description of America as it is today with which, needless to say, I concur wholeheartedly. We should all strive to keep in mind that government, in essence, has always been a reflection of the aggregate folk it rules over as I've stated before here many thread moons ago. I'm continually more convinced of that being the cold, hard truth as time slogs along. No one has persuaded me otherwise. Of course, I'm not so "open-minded" (whatever that means) either. I'd rather consider myself "clear-minded" instead.

GunRights4Us, It's not clear from your posting...

2009-09-24T13:32:46.913-06:00

GunRights4Us,
It's not clear from your posting what you are grateful for - do you STILL support George W. Bush as being a good President? Or do you rather support the curtailment of the Florida SC intentions because it would have been interminable? In other words, are you celebrating the process or the outcome?
-Gulliver.

Lemuel Gulliver and others, most especially Will G...

2009-09-24T12:12:39.984-06:00

Lemuel Gulliver and others, most especially Will Grigg,

My apologies for the lack of better explanation, also, poor and inadequate wording of my opening sentence "Though I understand, it is too bad Will did not stand his ground".

If I gave the impression to slight Will, please accept my apologies for it was not my intent by any means. I admire his bold outspokenness and appreciate his insight into the atrocious and asinine happenings which confront us individually and across the board on a daily basis.

I mistakenly thought that my "Though I understand" would clarify the words "it is too bad Will did not stand his ground" which followed in the sentence but obviously it did not. Yes, I am aware of his wife, her condition, and his children. I also noted his concern for his friend and mine, Scott Watson, with whom he was riding. Maybe if I had used the words "could not stand his ground" would have been more acceptable.

The point of my whole post was my second sentence: "It is such cases as this that we the people continue to be under the tyrannical control freaks, be it police or government "public servants"." We read and see [on Internet news and emails certainly not from MSM] every day a new diabolical happening against our God given rights and righteous living.

I am well aware of the corruption in our police departments and the judicial branch --from D.C. throughout the country down to local municipal courts. I made mention of the unconstitutional rulings that are [un]laws made from "the bench" of the SCOTUS. Sadly, specifically three of the worst unconstitutional rulings made "law" have come out of Alabama in some way 1) Alabama's Justice Hugo Black in both the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education and in majority of the SCOTUS in 1962 Engel vs. Vitale and the Ten Commandments ruling and removal from the Alabama Supreme Court Building by U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson.

As someone stated, the Idaho law was on Will's side. Just as here in Alabama in the case now in process. Nothing says the law will win out since we have corrupt and activist judges but that does not mean we do not take a stand and fight the battle. To do so would deny Christ to work in the situation and win over evil, enabling Him to give His people victory. It is a matter of those who can, take a stand and fight the battle. That is why I said I am thankful for the patriot here in Alabama who is able, willing and knowledgeable to take this stand for all of us. Not EVERY judge and policeman is corrupt. Truth will eventually win out. Truth will prevail in the end.

"[B]ut Mr. Grigg has his family to consider." Yes, exactly! My reason for "Though I understand".

I could go on about our diabolical, tyrannical, Philistine, leviathan Government ....but 'nuff said.

Again, my apologies, please forgive me.

Off topic I realize, but I'm not going to skir...

2009-09-24T09:30:17.100-06:00

Off topic I realize, but I'm not going to skirt past this without comment.

A commenter says:

"Even the Supreme Court is corrupt. In 2000, they installed as President the man who lost the election, by unconstitutionally interfering in the electoral process in Florida."

I won't dispute that the SC is corrupt. But the case you cite is the wrong one to cite. The Florida SC, manned by a solid cadre of democrats, intended to break Florida law in 2000 and continue the recounts as long as it took to get the desired result. SCOTUS prevented that, and we should be eternally grateful.

Fellow Readers, I made some comments there about ...

2009-09-24T05:08:12.836-06:00

Fellow Readers,

I made some comments there about The State which need substantiation. As it happens, Sibel Edmonds has just testified under oath, and has given her first unfettered interview to The American Conservative, Pat Buchanan's magazine:

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/nov/01/00006/

As a catalog of evil and corruption, it is devastating. But note, this is only the tip of the iceberg, as uncovered by one small little person in a tiny corner of the Federal Government who has been brave enough to speak out.

Don't talk to me about Law and Order. Unless you include the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
===================================

Mr. Grigg,

In light of what I recently sent to you, note especially the following in the Sibel Edmonds interview:

Q: "You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11..."

A: "Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them. There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management."

Convinced yet?

- Twinkle-Toes Gulliver.

MAC, "[I]t is too bad Will did not stand his...

2009-09-24T03:48:40.569-06:00

MAC,

"[I]t is too bad Will did not stand his ground....He had the law on his side, it is there on the books for his protection and security."

Two points: First, Will had to consider his wife and baby. You may not be aware of it, but his wife Korrin is not well, and is emotionally fragile. Escalating the confrontation, especially if it ended in all of them being arrested, which was entirely possible, would have been extremely adverse for her and the baby.

Second, the so-called "law" offers absolutely NO protection in this country. It is regularly and spectacularly broken by the powers-that-be of The State. If you read this blog regularly, you should know that by now. Just one or two posts ago, we discussed a case where the entire police force (seven cops) of a small town appeared in court for one traffic ticket hearing, at which the unarmed accused was shot in the back by one of the cops - in court, before the judge - and the judge made no objection.

Even the Supreme Court is corrupt. In 2000, they installed as President the man who lost the election, by unconstitutionally interfering in the electoral process in Florida.

Then you have the instances of Waco, Oklahoma City, Operation Northwoods, the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK, Pearl Harbor, and 9-11. All of these were murders or massacres of Americans instigated or actively abetted at the highest levels of The State.**

You think, compared to those, that the "rights" of William Grigg or any other individual matter one meadow muffin to The State?

The State at every level is a criminal mafia, just like the Sicilian or Russian mafia, dedicated to amassing money by extortion of the people, (instead of working for it like honest folk,) and seizing enough brute power over the people to allow them to keep it.

An individual like Mr. Grigg defies them at his own peril. Martyrdom is a fine choice when one is independent, but Mr. Grigg has his family to consider.

Cordially yours,
Lemuel Gulliver.

** PS: And that is just in our country. Not to forget the Armenian genocide, the Nazi genocide, the Rwandan genocide, and the crimes of Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin, who killed from two to twenty millions of their OWN people. No, The State cares not one mouse fart for law, morality, or basic human decency.

I find its easy to go back over past events and an...

2009-09-24T02:03:47.665-06:00

I find its easy to go back over past events and analyze what we could or would have said but, alas, we have to handle the cards dealt to us whenever and wherever these "encounters with the dark side" happen to find us. I for one am constantly amazed at the revelations of Idaho cop thugishness. And not to let too many details out... in my class my fellow students nod their heads and agree that they're as thick as theives around here. Far more than I'm used to I have to say.

My apologies Will - I just don't like being ba...

2009-09-23T23:15:36.857-06:00

My apologies Will - I just don't like being baited.

Sic Semper Tyrannis