tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post2372406386652195947..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: "He's a Constitutionalist" (SECOND UPDATE, October 16)William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger126125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11238808349388203022015-05-02T23:40:11.888-06:002015-05-02T23:40:11.888-06:00Curious case indeed. While I don't really lik...Curious case indeed. While I don't really like the use of force continuum employed by the Sheriff's Dept. here there are a few things many folks commenting here seem to have a misunderstanding about. First: LEO's function under "color of law"; they HAVE to in order to perform their duties. "Color of law" means that they are essentially exempt from prosecution as long as they are performing their duties as trained and aren't violating a statute / code that SPECIFICALLY pre-empts them from a certain type of action. Meanwhile they can basically do whatever they want within the context of their training and will forever be shielded by what is called "qualified immunity". In terms of what the 4th amendment (USConst.) says about search and seizure, this is basically a "remedy" available AT AN EVIDENTIARY HEARING to suppress evidence obtained without a warrant. The search and seizure of private property is most likely NOT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED in the statutes. <br /><br />So... what is our recourse? The best thing to do is never resist, film AND gate your property if you don't want people "just barging in the door", be courteous, silent (except to reserve your rights), and non-violent to LEO's, and then present the case before a court of law. Be particularly careful to record all "damages", treat medical needs, psychological needs and other needs as you believe are prudent and record every mile you travel, every 10th of an hour you spend typing or responding to the situation, and then SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THE BASTARDS!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-38301704443342774962013-01-19T19:41:37.936-07:002013-01-19T19:41:37.936-07:00The United States of America is no longer a Consti...The United States of America is no longer a Constitutional Republic. It has been altered to a Legislative Democracy, and now the final transition is into a welfare state "Socialist Democracy." That is the problem! The once Sovereign people are now ruled by their servants!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-57737794740399106472012-11-16T09:12:59.944-07:002012-11-16T09:12:59.944-07:00I offer a counter-proposal: Since you find this ar...I offer a counter-proposal: Since you find this article to be insufficiently "objective," why don't <i>you</i> research and write a more objective take on the incident, and we'll compare the two? William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-48240982654638300652012-11-16T08:58:47.717-07:002012-11-16T08:58:47.717-07:00How can any reasonable person make comments about ...How can any reasonable person make comments about this incident based on the content of the article above? Can none of you identify how weighted it is? Please post an objective version of events and delete this entire thread as it is clearly nonsense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-8034670859489857622012-10-24T16:52:57.932-06:002012-10-24T16:52:57.932-06:00@boakey--
I'm familiar with the statutes--and...@boakey--<br /><br />I'm familiar with the statutes--and don't forget about 42 USC 1983--but with sovereign immunity/qualified immunity, these guys are practically untouchable.<br /><br />They know it.<br /><br />And it's why they're so badly behaved.<br /><br />Have you read any accounts of success in these suits?<br /><br />Or will people eventually resort to other means?SapiensLibertashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12335043535997852075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-6906938341362314762012-10-24T16:15:06.191-06:002012-10-24T16:15:06.191-06:00I think they should find a "Constitutionalist...I think they should find a "Constitutionalist" attorney and sue the officer in civil court for battery (the one who dragged the woman out). Then, I'd sue them all in Federal Court under 18 USC ยง 242 for depriving their rights under color of law. People need to stop putting up with this nonsense. Force the cops to pay attorney bills and be humiliated in court, and I guarantee their behavior will change. boakeyhttp://www.valuepolitics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23339363016631864702012-10-19T09:49:39.447-06:002012-10-19T09:49:39.447-06:00@Anonymous
"What happens next is up to the o...@Anonymous<br /><br />"What happens next is up to the officer."<br /><br />Therein lies the problem.willbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-26227136867576434812012-10-18T17:16:21.247-06:002012-10-18T17:16:21.247-06:00This has been the longest and one of the most heat...This has been the longest and one of the most heated discussions I have seen on Pro Libertate. I think one of the reasons is that this incident is distressingly close to home for many of us. Those of us who live here in the Treasure Valley are not routinely set upon by rogue cops out to wield power over the mundanes. <br /><br />This incident sparks a debate and forces us to consider decisions we hoped we would never have to make.<br /><br />Am I now an enemy of local law enforcement simply because I believe in the Constitution and the restraints on government contained therin? Am I now an enemy of local law enforcement simply because I expect them to conduct themselves in a professional and legal manner with respect for their fellow citizens?<br /><br />Whoever the local deputy was who has been commenting here, he represented himself well until he had some flak thrown his way. Then even he devolved into slightly thuggish behavior in his later posts. Though I have no doubts of his libertarian beliefs and his desire to faithfully serve his community as opposed to rule over it, some of his later posts point to a fundamental lack of maturity and a temperament possibly not suited to law enforcement. Though I am sure he is considerably more qualified than many he works with.<br /><br />The bottom line in all of this is that there exists an ever-deepening "us vs. them" mentality within law enforcement that increasingly places their lives and livelyhoods above the lives and security of my family. That is where we have a problem. This problem did not develop overnight and it will take a lot of effort on all our parts to fix it. I am certainly willing to do my part. I treat all officers with which I come into contact with the same respect I would have them show to me. I am polite and comply with every legal request made by the officer. To this point in my life, I have never had an officer make a request of me that was outside their legal authority. If it ever does happen, I plan to be polite and professional and simply decline to comply on the grounds that the officer does not have the authority to make the request. What happens next is up to the officer.<br /><br />I believe in peace officers even though I possess more than sufficient weaponry and training to protect myself and my family.<br /><br />We all have a choice. To the aforementioned deputy; you can either work to reform your profession from the inside, or get out.<br />To the rest of us; we may have to eventually decide where to draw our own lines in the sand. Mine is simple; treat a member of my family in the manner posted here and there won't be a hole deep enough for you to hide in.<br /><br />jkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73532001001801338012012-10-18T10:54:59.682-06:002012-10-18T10:54:59.682-06:00@SL... Indeed. Best to simply use their own actio...@SL... Indeed. Best to simply use their own actions and words against themselves rather than bring in, although worthy, other arguments that simply cloud this one issue. Once you run off on a tangent it's all over for you. If you keep it focused then you've got it made.MoTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-1413359909314894752012-10-18T08:19:09.686-06:002012-10-18T08:19:09.686-06:00@James Barnes:
Thank you for both your comments. ...@James Barnes:<br /><br />Thank you for both your comments. <br />However I must ask--and please excuse my skepticism--but isn't your argument akin to some of the highly dubious "sovereign citizen" legalese?<br /><br />I've become more than a little cynical with respect to those discussions, especially the UCC, straw-man, ALL-CAPS arguments. They just don't work.<br /><br />I do resonate with your point on "standing"; indeed, I'd love to return to the "no victim, no crime" mentality...but how does that play out in a modern corrupt court?<br /><br />I don't mean to pick an argument at all. I simply yearn to be educated, and especially to hear of successes in beating these jackals with forthright legal arguments as you suggest--starting with "Your Honor*, I move to dismiss as I see no complainant <i>with standing</i> in this court. Therefore the speeding ticket etc. is invalid..."<br /><br /><br />* it brings bile to my throat to call the black-robed brigands "your honor"SapiensLibertashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12335043535997852075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-2381805105947174342012-10-18T03:15:25.730-06:002012-10-18T03:15:25.730-06:00Some of these Anonymooses may want to actually go ...Some of these Anonymooses may want to actually go study a bit of American Law. Bear had a registration and a paraphenalia conviction both so called convictions have absolutely zero "standing" or "cause of action" in any real so called honorable American court. The "STATE" never has "standing because the STATE in fact is a legal fiction which only exists in some brainwashed mend deluded minds. How exactly do you hurt a fiction?<br /><br />damnum et injuria. Both elements which must exist as essentials of a cause of action.<br /><br />Here are the court cites for all 50 divisions of the corporate plantation check out Idahos:<br /><br />http://marcstevens.net/articles/standing-cross-reference.html<br /><br />The ignorant men in blue should at least have some fundamental concept of what law is before they try to so called enforce it.<br /><br />Who does an expired registration harm? No one! No "standing" to complain, nor subject matter jurisdiction for the court.<br /><br />Who was harmed by Bear having paraphenalia? No one! No "standing" to complain nor subject matter jurisdiction for the court.<br /><br />Your so called convictions were total frauds Bear, unless of course you didn't object to their theft and lies? Then you consented. Did you know that? By the way every so called honorable judge knows this stuff it's basic law. I learned it in my first year of the study of Law. Bear check out musicians for freedom and that site with the standing cross reference marcstevens.net you'll learn a lot, and realize what a delusion we've all be hornswoggled into. Freedom, Love and Peace to everyone who simply wants the real terrorists we need to worry about off their backs. James Barnesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-46272966113873617032012-10-18T02:07:17.521-06:002012-10-18T02:07:17.521-06:00What was that I read somewhere about burning in th...What was that I read somewhere about burning in the camps later wishing we had just picked up a axe, a cleaver or a 12 gauge pump with flechet shells! I guess you get the bottom of the gene pool barrel when your state can't even fix potholes on the Interstate hwy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73824589627482456052012-10-17T18:31:15.892-06:002012-10-17T18:31:15.892-06:00Lets see if Gem County residents have the stones t...<i> Lets see if Gem County residents have the stones to [recall the criminal currently occupying the position].</i><br /><br />Not likely, at least not until a majority of the county's residents have suffered the same thing Bear and Marcella suffered.<br /><br />liberranterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00555275410576294081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-73349212071739420782012-10-17T13:26:01.936-06:002012-10-17T13:26:01.936-06:00Another excellent post, Will.
More of the Amerika...Another excellent post, Will.<br /><br />More of the Amerikan Polizeistaat at vork.Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16565620274260288512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59994386155754037592012-10-17T06:08:40.262-06:002012-10-17T06:08:40.262-06:00William Grigg - I assume you are aware of the Cons...William Grigg - I assume you are aware of the Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officers Association? (CSPOA) http://www.cspoa.org/<br /><br />You said in one comment, if the sheriff had been a constitutional sheriff, this wouldn't have happened. The answer is YES, there are sheriffs that are like oathkeepers. Sheriff Mack started the organization and you have to listen to the man on Youtube. <br /><br />Honestly, its the last line of defense in the sand, to have a constitutional sheriff ON YOUR SIDE to tell the feds to go pound sand when they want to do SWAT raids for raw milk, etc, etc.<br /><br />The sheriff in this particular instance MUST be recalled. Lets see if Gem County residents have the stones to do it or if Mormons like to play, "All in the Family" instead.guydaleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14394718560603458079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-54651437170684215202012-10-16T15:38:43.908-06:002012-10-16T15:38:43.908-06:00"Look! NO!! NOT THERE, over There, the OTHE..."Look! NO!! NOT THERE, over There, the OTHER direction. Yes, That's it. Look Closely... <br /><br />"It is an adult in 21st century America who has been CONVICTED of a CRIME! Imagine that!! And you know what?? That CONVICT has a tomato grow operation HIDDEN IN HIS HOME!!!!! (psst... probably has Italian blood .... you know how hot-headed those Italians can get... Jeez, perhaps even Catholic)... <br /><br />"And you know what?? That CONVICT thinks he and his wife (psst... think they have a real, honest to goodness marriage certificate... or just some common law agreement????) He thinks he and his wife don't have to COME WHEN CALLED and Open their Doors to duly appointed Agents of the State!!! He thinks his 'wife' shouldn't be manhandled!! This CONVICT thinks he actually has a few 'Rights'!!!! SICKENING, ISN'T IT?!?!?!?! " <br /><br />Yes, that's where the focus should be. After all, the good deputies have a duty to make it home to their loved ones at the end of their shift. And (for the time being at least) it is apparently easier to make it home if you treat your fellow American citizens are garbage along the way. <br /><br />KPRyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-70622425100067666232012-10-16T13:48:09.481-06:002012-10-16T13:48:09.481-06:00I thought I detected a spike in the (most likely s...I thought I detected a spike in the (most likely subsidized) silliness quotient....<br /><br />It is because of my consistency that I'm neither of the "right" nor the "left." My political views are rooted in an unconditional rejection of aggressive violence, and a determination to protect individuals against such aggression. That view can be described as libertarian, individualist, Agorist, or even anarchist.I'm not particularly concerned with labels. This is a small matter, albeit one large enough to fill to overflow tiny minds like yours. <br />William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59610696244802393552012-10-16T13:29:13.709-06:002012-10-16T13:29:13.709-06:00See, there you go again, I never said he lied to &...See, there you go again, I never said he lied to "you". I said he lied on this post. Your smart attempts at condescending comments don't hide the fact of your inconsistency and twisting of the facts. You sir seem to have gone so far right that you are now left? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-120499577987370092012-10-16T13:27:17.158-06:002012-10-16T13:27:17.158-06:00Anonymous typed
"And by the way, I do indeed ...Anonymous typed<br /><i>"And by the way, I do indeed hold many of the same beliefs as many of the posters here,and do have great issue with abuses by the state or fed."</i><br /><br />Yeah, well, some of my best friends are...Luton Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-60522786108937683462012-10-16T13:24:48.824-06:002012-10-16T13:24:48.824-06:00@ anonymous
Make Shaker's Law smile upon you....@ anonymous<br /><br />Make Shaker's Law smile upon you.Luton Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-23447017738835944612012-10-16T13:19:52.026-06:002012-10-16T13:19:52.026-06:00It's clear that our tax dollars are at work on...It's clear that our tax dollars are at work on your blog today, Will. Who else would make such a poor attempt at marginalizing a man exposing their corruption.revengeofthepaleohttp://revengeofthepaleo.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80593522199922764402012-10-16T13:16:26.820-06:002012-10-16T13:16:26.820-06:00With your departure, oh bold and valiant Anonymous...With your departure, oh bold and valiant Anonymous, the silliness quotient will drop dramatically. It's worth underscoring the fact that you assumed that Bear had "lied" to me, and that I was covering up some grave and serious criminal history on his part. <br /><br />If you are sincerely outraged over abuses of government power, why did you waste bandwidth on comments casting dishonest aspersions on the <i>victims</i> of such abuse?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86600942196614805762012-10-16T13:06:53.615-06:002012-10-16T13:06:53.615-06:00Wow Mr. Grigg, you really have a way of over drama...Wow Mr. Grigg, you really have a way of over dramatizing and embellishing on things people say. I made no mention of them being "career criminals", that is your wording, not mine. I think I'm done here now, this is becoming rather silly at this point. And by the way, I do indeed hold many of the same beliefs as many of the posters here,and do have great issue with abuses by the state or fed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-30361291763412760212012-10-16T11:44:22.567-06:002012-10-16T11:44:22.567-06:00Not to mention he lied to you all, that's the ...<i>Not to mention he lied to you all, that's the point raised, though obviously that doesn't seem to further your cause so you discount it.</i><br /><br />Bear went into detail describing the traffic infractions listed in his record, and documented the paperwork snafus that created the problem. He was entirely candid, which isn't surprising in light of the utterly trivial nature of the "offenses" under discussion.<br /><br />The only "convictions" listed involve an expired vehicle registration and the "paraphernalia" charge that resulted from the <i>einsatzgruppen</i> raid documented in this article. <br /><br />From your perspective, two "convictions" on misdemeanor "offenses" (one of them involving a paperwork error made in another jurisdiction) constitutes a criminal record. Have you done similar due diligence in investigating the backgrounds of the people who assaulted Marcela and Bear, or are they exempt from similar scrutiny?<br /><br />Here's another important consideration: If Bear and Marcela were career criminals of the kind depicted by you, why would they have been pleading with the Sheriff's Office for help after they were victimized by a burglar?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-86813981948296473442012-10-16T11:43:22.718-06:002012-10-16T11:43:22.718-06:00From Anonymous:
Also, you may want to check the re...From Anonymous:<br /><i>Also, you may want to check the repository as well, there are not only charges, but convictions. Also, as you are probably aware, you are listed there as well. </i><br /><br />Ah, yes, we have sinned--and, covered in guilt, must remain silent forever. Having fallen from grace, having in any way transgressed against the Exalted Ones even so much as "speeding" or "jaywalking" we are precluded from criticizing <i>the very body that accused us of these faux-transgressions originally</i>.<br /><br />How convenient.<br /><br />The State establishes a web of laws so entangling it guarantees everyone is a criminal; then selectively enforces them, besmirching its victims who may then never again speak with authority.<br /><br />"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" comes to mind, except in reverse.<br /><br />This is the same straw-man/appeal-to-authority argument used to exclude inconvenient politicians by publicizing trivial indiscretions.<br /><br />If the "charges" are anything but REAL <i>malum in se</i>--actual damage to a person or property, actual theft or fraud--if there was no victim, I'm unimpressed.<br /><br />Every law prohibiting a victimless action should be struck down forever. They are the Dead Sea Scrolls of tyranny.SapiensLibertashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12335043535997852075noreply@blogger.com