Comments on Pro Libertate: The Reign of the Bullies (IMPORTANT UPDATE; see bottom of page)

My dad in arizona has been completely raped of his...

2015-06-15T03:56:22.188-06:00

My dad in arizona has been completely raped of his rights by a kangaroo court and victimized by prosecutor unlawfully incarcerated for self defence he was elderly crippled and forced to shoot an attacker on his property but railroaded to facilitate a revenge retaliation for a local officials family member who was shot for attacking him was a complete outrage that is not properly being tried assailant attacker criminal was suicidal and psychotic and hyped on pain meds for having pancreatic cancer which he was going to die from imminently and had a plan to provide for his wife after he was gone...

Don't agree that a 'choke-hold' was us...

2009-10-09T20:01:22.103-06:00

Don't agree that a 'choke-hold' was used on the girl. If the cops' forearm was across her throat,YES, but it was NOT. Having studied martial arts ≈18 yrs, I know.

Girl was told she was under arrest but RAN. Cop grabbed her, other guy intervened, that was how officer ended up holding 2 persons.

I've watched several versions of this vid and it doesn't show everything. Not being there,it is almost impossible to be sure what happened. Apparently store videos give a different story from kids version.

Cop could possibly have been a bit more gentle, but the kids WERE running away from him.
Cops says stop, STOP. Under arrest? DON'T resist. Plenty of witnesses, daytime etc. He wasnt going to bash them was he?

Had there been recent complaints about skaters? Had anyone been injured by a skater recently?
A lot of kids do have a "I can do anything I want and you can't touch me attitude".
WRONG, in many cases.

Wonder If cop had any other similar incidents?

That's the second exception I've made for you, my ...

2008-08-21T09:36:00.000-06:00

That's the second exception I've made for you, my foul-mouthed little friend. My patience with you has been exemplary. It's now at an end. You desperately need a lesson in decorum before I permit you the privilege of posting here again. If you're interested in a personal tutorial from me, you know how to get in touch.

if anybody thinks the phoenix police thing is tru ...

2008-08-21T09:30:00.000-06:00

if anybody thinks the phoenix police thing is tru ur wrong the fucking idiot who made this is a lying sone of a bitch who wouldnt even approve my other comments....so fuk u guy

Given the choice of two profanity-laced harangues,...

2008-08-19T20:44:00.000-06:00

Given the choice of two profanity-laced harangues, I chose the second in order to remind (or, most likely, instruct) its author that there are some minimal rules of decorum for those who want to post here.

Whoever contributed this little missive is obviously both ill-educated and mentally unbalanced. This is why I'm nearly certain we're dealing with a tax-feeder of the gun-bearing, revenue-harvesting variety, aka a Cop.

He's also badly in need of some rudimentary instruction in manners. Luckily, I do provide personalized, and, when appropriate, hands-on instruction. If he's interested in some tutoring, he can always contact me directly at WNGrigg [at] msn [dot] com, and I'll see what we can arrange. I am rather busy, but chances are I could pencil him in sometime. Tootles!

yea you wont approve it u fuk go get laid u know u...

2008-08-19T20:23:00.000-06:00

yea you wont approve it u fuk go get laid u know ur lying u fukin asshole get a life u fukin idiot y dont u approve it and let the whole world see how much of a dick u are u fukin pussy...I hope u do something wrong and get thrown in jale fuk u u lyin son of a bitch

whoever wrote this article should go fuck themselv...

2008-08-19T20:21:00.000-06:00

whoever wrote this article should go fuck themselves okay...u know damn right well with the phoenix case that this wasnt what happened...It was for 4 and a half seconds and the guy died because of the reaction with the drugs...nobody should believe this article...this is just some fuckhead and some fuckedup dad trying to make cops look bad and get money...everyone knows this isnt what happened and after the cop tasered the guy...he even performed cpr to try to save his life....so go screw yourself whoever wrote this and the dad who raised his kid to be a meth taker okay??fuk u and fuk u hard...everybody knows this is bullshit...trying to make it look like these two cops did something wrong...ik all the facts and u wrote so many lies...and for the dad...great job raising your son...Yea these cops are good people dont listen to some old men with nothing better to do than criticize cops...fuk u guys

Scary stuff, thanks for bringing this to people's ...

2007-10-20T22:34:00.000-06:00

Scary stuff, thanks for bringing this to people's attention. These cops who do these things are evil monkey scum, and so are those who protect them.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
abuse little kids

treat them like criminals
for acting like children

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
be a BIG BAD policeman

don't use common sense
be tough handcuff children

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
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I was with you until you linked to a site bashing ...

2007-07-23T13:07:00.000-06:00

I was with you until you linked to a site bashing female officers and soldiers. My mother was a Louisian State police officer. Back in her younger days when she was 5'4" and 120 lbs., I saw her slam a man 6'1" and 300 lbs. on his ass with a single blow. During her entire time on the force, she didn't have to pull her weapon even once despite the fact that she worked Harbor Patrol, one of the most dangerous assignments.

Any man who thinks women can't do the job should try going toe to toe with most female officers/soldiers or familiarize himself with the fact that women have been going to combat for thousands of years. During the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, women served in uniform in the guise of men. Only injury or death revealed that they were women.

Glad to see the story of my son lives on!Except th...

2007-07-15T15:19:00.000-06:00

Glad to see the story of my son lives on!Except the picture is of Keith and his (deseased) maternal grandfather.Keith was only wanted for misdemeanor probation violation,not felony.You failed to mention,Phoenix was so sure the police were right,they mediated a 2,000,000.00 settlement with us out of court.My son was robbed of his life, by two EVIL THUGS with badges.You would think other officers would have come forward to chastise these THUGS, but NO! How could money possibly HEAL this loss? Where is the Atty.General,FBI etc.?This is not the country I was born in!If I didn't have four GREAT Lawyers who were willing to work on contingency, no form of justice would have prevailed. Terry Graff

The mayor's number in Hot Springs is (501) 321-681...

2007-06-30T12:04:00.000-06:00

The mayor's number in Hot Springs is (501) 321-6811.

It's quite clear that Mr. Means only speaks of the...

2007-06-30T01:07:00.000-06:00

It's quite clear that Mr. Means only speaks of the "right" or "wrong" reaction by a citizen and never qualifies that with whether the police action that preceded said reaction was right or wrong. After all, most folk don't become confrontational without some kind of provocation to kindle it.

Indeed, this is typical high-level bureaucratic "shepherd" psychobabble tailored neatly for "sheeple" consumption. And, unfortunately, they usually do consume it heartily.

You're right, of course, that the Phoenix case is ...

2007-06-29T11:35:00.000-06:00

You're right, of course, that the Phoenix case is substantially different in both origin and details. This was a case of straight-up murder. The Hot Springs case was a matter of a uniformed thug getting caught on camera doing what such people do when they're confident they can get away with it.

In both cases, though, we see police behaving like the worst kind of street thugs. The Phoenix example brings to mind the kind of revenge killings one is told to associate with inner-city gangs.

I wonder if the youngster who videotaped Officer Joey will be charged with "wiretapping," an increasingly common tactic being used by police to criminalize efforts to document their misbehavior.

Hot Springs, btw, is Bill Clinton's real hometown. Perhaps not coincidentally, it was (according to Peter Maas's "The Valachi Papers") the site of a fairly major satellite operation for the Mafia.

The Little Rock incident and that in Arizona are t...

2007-06-29T10:31:00.000-06:00

The Little Rock incident and that in Arizona are two completely different types of cases. The former shows a typical, and increasingly common, excessive use of force. The Arizona story, by contrast, is simply one of murder (not even second degree, but first) by those wearing the king's colors. What is revealed by both, though, is how we've allowed the citizens' protection against such kingly abuses, the grand jury, to "die on the vine," so to speak. Goodness, does no one even remember why the nobles forced the Magna Charta upon King John? Typical of what has evolved in our jurisprudence is Arizona's county grand jury, which may be used to bring criminal charges only at the instigation of the county's prosecuting attorney. But a grand jury should be so much more. We good citizens need to take steps to empower our grand juries with their once-powerful oversight role over the actions of the kings bruts. But of course police review committees will protect the king's men. That's their job! The proper body to determine if the king's men have committed treason against the people is the grand jury. Simple as that.

Here we go again! Alleged adults wearing uniforms ...

2007-06-28T23:25:00.000-06:00

Here we go again! Alleged adults wearing uniforms and picking on kids. The siren toward the end of the video gives us a clue how seriously this policeman took this CRISIS. He probably screamed for help. Heaven forbid a real emergency unfolds before him.

I have a bit more admiration for the kids on the side walk during this incident than I do for those who were present for the Tasering of the young man in the university library in CA.

They're kids, copper! Settle down.

Their awareness of unacceptable behavior on behalf of the state gives me hope. Maybe they'll make it through the selection process to be cops without getting axed for thinking "wrong".

Re: Update

Ron McCarthy's opinions are tough to beat. He is considered an unimpeachable witness on these matters - which explains his fees. If police departments or their insurance carriers can afford him they snatch him up as soon as possible.

BTW- a cop who is present at the scene of a use of force incident, and who witnesses excessive force being used, is obligated to intervene. Not only morally, but legally too. The detective set the stage when he said, "after five or 10 seconds, the suspect stopped resisting."

When I sent an e-mail to Hot Springs' chief of pol...

2007-06-28T14:21:00.000-06:00

When I sent an e-mail to Hot Springs' chief of police, it came back as "undeliverable." Only one city council member replied; simply an acknowledgement of my complaint. Since it was the city council which made it a "crime" to ride a skateboard, they'd hardly resent their armed minions "enforcing" their edicts.

The Hot Springs Visitors and Convention Bureau said they were only concerned with garnering visitors and conventions, not the misdeeds of the local police. A woman said she'd pass my e-mail along to Mayor Mike Bush. The same Mayor Bush who praised the police and said the young skateboarders "got what they deserved."

Hot Springs, AR has no monopoly on morally depraved city councils and LEOs. Here in Sioux Falls, SD, I've repeatedly been threatened with arrest by blackguards with guns and badges for feeding a flightless, crippled duck in a river adjacent to a city bike trail in violation of a ludicrous municipal ordinance. LEOs get really angry when you mention the words "police state."

Hey, by the looks of that shot of Joey chasin' the...

2007-06-28T14:01:00.000-06:00

Hey, by the looks of that shot of Joey chasin' the youngster through the intersection, Arkansas looks pretty nice!