tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post2296585583777967061..comments2017-04-13T04:47:21.148-06:00Comments on Pro Libertate: The Enforcement Arm of the Robber StateWilliam N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-69665940709139412902009-04-04T02:02:00.000-06:002009-04-04T02:02:00.000-06:00interesting: http://www.abalonellc.com/face2fac2.h...interesting: http://www.abalonellc.com/face2fac2.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-11373814948337813612008-11-20T15:33:00.000-07:002008-11-20T15:33:00.000-07:00get aout your law book and look up the term, " pre...get aout your law book and look up the term, " pre-existing relationship " a police officer has a DUTY to act on crimes, now the part that is clouded is to what capicity that he will respond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75310401156127660122008-11-19T18:11:00.000-07:002008-11-19T18:11:00.000-07:00"as for these cases [Waco and Ruby Ridge], are you..."<I>as for these cases [Waco and Ruby Ridge], are you alluding to the fact that there was no criminal activity afoot? If so, you need to check your facts......</I>"<BR/><BR/>Randy Weaver was acquitted of all charges against him except for the failure to appear at a court hearing, which was the government's fault: It sent him two conflicting notices. <BR/><BR/>So to answer your question: It's a matter of established legal fact that no "criminal activity was afoot" in the Weaver household. <BR/><BR/>As to Waco: <BR/><BR/>David Koresh, licensed firearms dealer, was suspected of technical offenses involving licensing and fees for various kinds of firearms. He pointedly invited ATF officials to come out to his home and inspect his weapons and inventory, which is hardly the behavior of a criminal.<BR/><BR/>On the morning of the ATF's criminal and unjustified assault on the Davidians, Koresh became aware that his followers included an ATF informant, Davy Aguilar.<BR/><BR/>Rather than holding him as a hostage, or inflicting some kind of injury on him, Koresh let Aguilar go, in the futile hope that the ATF wouldn't carry out its unnecessary attack. As the ATF stormtroopers dismounted and encircled the Davidan home/sanctuary, Koresh exposed himself to gunfire as he tried to dissuade the feds from attacking.<BR/><BR/>The Feds opened fire first; the Davidians returned fire. The Davidians flat-out kicked the ATF's ass, forcing them to withdraw, but permitting them to collect their injured and dead.<BR/><BR/>I admire the Davidians for their restraint, given that they had the moral right to kill every single one of the thugs who attacked their home. In those circumstances I doubt my response would have been so measured.<BR/><BR/>There were nine Davidians prosecuted and convicted of various "offenses" in this episode, all of which boil down to the supposed crime of defending themselves from a criminal armed assault. Not a single Davidian was ever charged with a crime antedating the Feb. 28, 1993 raid -- which means that the only "crimes" here are charges that bootstrapped off the initial criminal raid by the ATF.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-55054145450701637012008-11-19T17:41:00.000-07:002008-11-19T17:41:00.000-07:00"Let me give you a scenario,your wife is being att..."<I>Let me give you a scenario,<BR/><BR/>your wife is being attacked by a thug and all he wants is her money, but she wont let go off her pocketbook, oh and he has a knife, and a local police officer passes by her and the thug fighting over her purse, do you want the cop to take action, or walk the other way casue the situation does not technically involve him?.<BR/><BR/>Now confronted by a police officer, the thug now uses your wife as a shield, do you want the cop to talk nice or do you want him to end the situation?</I>"<BR/><BR/>The scenario is inapt, since my wife, like myself, would be armed and prepared to defend herself in that situation. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand: If my wife, contrary to her upbringing and beliefs, were the innocent victim of a violent crime, and a police officer refused/declined to come to her aid, she would have no legal or civil recourse against the police officer. Under existing judicial precedents it's clear that the police have no enforceable duty to render aid to any individual citizen. <BR/><BR/>Many police officers, to their considerable credit, do their best to aid and protect the innocent, for which they have my sincere gratitude. But citizens should never make the mistake of believing that the primary purpose of the police is to protect them, as individuals, from criminal violence. That simply isn't the case, in policy terms.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-13796344875290033972008-11-19T13:47:00.000-07:002008-11-19T13:47:00.000-07:00The residents of Mt. Carmel at Waco were morally a...The residents of Mt. Carmel at Waco were morally and legally entitled to kill the ATF agents who shot up their home and religious sanctuary in an illegal raid. <BR/><BR/>Randy Weaver and his family were morally and legally entitled to kill the federal assailants who attacked their home at Ruby Ridge; that right was actually vindicated in court.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>as for these cases, are you alluding to the fact that there was no criminal activity afoot? If so, you need to check your facts...... as fior the others, poor police work, intell and any other thing that you can throw at itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-36474290278674137392008-11-19T11:48:00.000-07:002008-11-19T11:48:00.000-07:00The only alternative to that position is one in wh...The only alternative to that position is one in which police have unlimited discretion to kill: They have right to kill, and we have a duty to die. Is that your position?<BR/><BR/>10:24 AM<BR/><BR/><BR/>absoloutley not, i would never advocate murder. <BR/><BR/>Let me give you a scenario, <BR/><BR/>your wife is being attacked by a thug and all he wants is her money, but she wont let go off her pocketbook, oh and he has a knife, and a local police officer passes by her and the thug fighting over her purse, do you want the cop to take action, or walk the other way casue the situation does not technically involve him?.<BR/><BR/>Now confronted by a police officer, the thug now uses your wife as a shield, do you want the cop to talk nice or do you want him to end the situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-81705528594401308092008-11-19T11:41:00.000-07:002008-11-19T11:41:00.000-07:00I am apolice officer and very proud of that fact. ...I am apolice officer and very proud of that fact. I have never stolen a dime or taken property without cause. I have never killed anybody. I can not say that I have never used force to end a situation, but I never had anybody that required a visit to the hospital...that being said, I would stand in front of you to keep harm from falling upon you, even knowing that you basically detest me for my chosen calling. I will continue to stand up for and and in front of those whose are unable, and if you choose to attempt to stop me in doing my job, then you run the risk. I am a trained professional, and when it coems to force, i use what force is needed to stop a situation, untrained people use all the force they can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-20271230037901612872008-11-19T11:24:00.000-07:002008-11-19T11:24:00.000-07:00I am intriqued as to your comment as to when it wo...<I>I am intriqued as to your comment as to when it would be morally appropriate to kill a cop? Could you please give me an example of what or when that would be justified?</I><BR/><BR/>The residents of Mt. Carmel at Waco were morally and legally entitled to kill the ATF agents who shot up their home and religious sanctuary in an illegal raid. <BR/><BR/>Randy Weaver and his family were morally and legally entitled to kill the federal assailants who attacked their home at Ruby Ridge; that right was actually vindicated in court.<BR/><BR/>Cory Maye was well within his rights to kill an unidentified armed intruder who turned out to be part of a police counter-narcotics team staging a no-knock raid at the wrong address. <BR/><BR/>Kathryn Johnson, the 92-year-old Atlanta woman murdered by police in a no-knock, wrong-door raid two years ago, was justified in using lethal force in an attempt to repel that illegal attack. Her neighbors would have morally and legally entitled to kill those officers in order to protect that innocent grandmother. <BR/><BR/>Just a year and a half ago, a District Judge upheld the right of John Coffin to assault two police officers who assaulted his wife in the course of serving a civil warrant (to which Coffin had already replied). Coffin didn't kill the officers; he merely seized the taser from one of them and beat them bloody, which was the very least they had coming after they attacked his wife. <BR/><BR/>A citizen has the same right to lethal self-defense against a cop that he would have in a situation involving any other individual. That right isn't widely understood, but it's deeply entrenched in the common law and is actually recognized in both statute and court precedents. <BR/><BR/>The only alternative to that position is one in which police have unlimited discretion to kill: They have right to kill, and we have a duty to die. Is that your position?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-58900149110871020662008-11-19T11:08:00.000-07:002008-11-19T11:08:00.000-07:00the possibility that i spoke of was that maybe you...the possibility that i spoke of was that maybe you dont know the whole story. I like you, hope that i will never have to take the life of another, but I have come to realize that if asked ( by concious, reckless conduct of another)I may have to. I certainley dont relish the fact and I certainly dont have the Tackleberry attitude,as I would guess that most leo's would agree. <BR/><BR/>I am intriqued as to your comment as to when it would be morally appropriate to kill a cop? Could you please give me an example of what or when that would be justified? <BR/><BR/>If a police officer pulls you over for a speeding violation and you feel that you were not speeding, does that in your opinion, justify you using any kind of force against the police? <BR/><BR/>I will agree that the life of a police officer is nore or no less valuable than any other, but short of the police putting a gun to your head for the fun of it, could you in your own mind justify using deadly force to protect yourself over lets say in this case, pot? <BR/><BR/>I will concede that pot smokers are not the menace of society, and if grown adults want to sit around and somke a doobie while watching cheech and chong then go for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-19281176439078565332008-11-19T10:00:00.000-07:002008-11-19T10:00:00.000-07:00you want to talk about violence now, you have peop...<I>you want to talk about violence now, you have people on this site, right now that think that it is ok to kill police officers, you know guys that have wives, kids and life away from the PD, that go to work the same as the rest of us, but since they wear a badge, their life is worth less?</I><BR/><BR/>The point, actually, is that their lives aren't worth any <B>more</B> than ours. <BR/><BR/>Police are trained and equipped to kill citizens when they consider it necessary. Why shouldn't citizens do the same? <BR/><BR/>As a Christian, I am required to live at peace with all men, to the extent this is possible. In political terms, I subscribe unconditionally to the non-aggression doctrine. <BR/><BR/>I pray, literally, that God will grant me the blessing of living a long and full life at the end of which I will never have shed the blood of another human being. <BR/><BR/>That being said, I must also say that there are situations in which killing a police officer would not only be morally appropriate, but morally <I>required</I>. <BR/><BR/>Every day in this country, most likely hundreds of times a day, police officers inflict unjustified violence on innocent people. Until relatively recently, it was understood that citizens in such circumstances had a common law right to resist -- including the right to resist, with suitable force, illegal arrest. <BR/><BR/>Restoring protection for that right would go a long way toward restoring some sense of balance between the law-abiding public and the armed bureaucrats who are our supposed protectors.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-80188467368432383982008-11-19T09:41:00.000-07:002008-11-19T09:41:00.000-07:00"Is there the slighteset possibilty that there is ...<I>"Is there the slighteset possibilty that there is more to this story than you have been told? Is it possible that any of three were selling medical grade pot?"</I><BR/><BR/>Under the constitutional system we were given, government has no authority to imprison people or seize their property on the basis of a "possibility"; this can only be done pursuant to "due process of law." <BR/><BR/>"Due process" is not satisfied when a group of armed cretins seize somebody's life savings amid vague insinuations of "possible" wrongdoing. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"I do not know of a single police or sheriffs department that acts as a collection agency for the courts for the purpose of generating funds."</I><BR/><BR/>This is by far the most common role played by police and sheriff's offices.<BR/><BR/>Here are two stories that explain this fact in remarkably candid detail:<BR/><BR/>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081117/METRO/811170333/-1/ARCHIVE<BR/><BR/>Key quote:<BR/><BR/>"`When I first started in this job 30 years ago, police work was never about revenue enhancement,' Utica Police Chief Michael Reaves said. `But if you're a chief now, you have to look at whether your department produces revenues. That's just the reality nowadays.'"<BR/><BR/>Here's the second story:<BR/><BR/>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081118/METRO/811180402/1409/METRO<BR/><BR/><BR/>Key quote:<BR/><BR/>Police officers in Metro Detroit are often ordered to write a certain number of moving violations -- but chiefs issuing those edicts are careful not to use the "Q" word.<BR/><BR/>"`Nobody likes to call them quotas, but that's exactly what they are, Trenton Police Sgt. Richard Lyons said. `When you're being told how many tickets you need to write, to me that's a quota.'"William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37415582861396820122008-11-19T06:42:00.000-07:002008-11-19T06:42:00.000-07:00once again, you do not know what you are talking a...once again, you do not know what you are talking about, the POLICE are not a civil entity, they are a criminal entity, they do not serve for the purpose of civil proceddings,( other than court orders and civil paper services) they would have had to had probable cause or atleast articuable suspicion(both of which are criminal hearings) to get the warrant to seize the property. I do not know of a single police or sheriffs department that acts as a collection agency for the courts for the purpose of generating funds. Has any of you in this mind trust ever thought about doing a public information request for the report? Is there the slighteset possibilty that there is more to this story than you have been told? Is it possible that any of three were selling medical grade pot? you want to talk about violence now, you have people on this site, right now that think that it is ok to kill police officers, you know guys that have wives, kids and life away from the PD, that go to work the same as the rest of us, but since they wear a badge, their life is worth less? I ask you why you thought it was necessary to tell people that you can bench 400 pounds and you have guns, are you not kinda promoting the fact that you have the ability to become violent if required to do so, not much different than a police officer. when police officer serves a warrant, they are loud and fast, much akin to a bull in a china shop, becasue they have to have the element of suprise to reduce the likleyhood of use of force, which protects the suspects as well as the cops. how many more police officers are killed every year by citizens? I suspect that you can already tell me how many people were killed by law enforcement, but i guess that doesnt matter. If all law enforcement just packed up and moved on, where would you be? I suspect that most people are the same and that they just want to have a cop around when they need him/her, by the way, I have been shot at, I do know what it is like to have somebody I dont know try to take my life, and when all was said and done, one suspect in custody, uninjured, and I got to go home and be my wifes best friend, and a father to my children, alls well that ends well. ( you dont have to insult mt grammer or sentence structure, i had several points to make and not getting alot of cooperation from my fat fingers )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56759652186241387842008-11-18T16:49:00.000-07:002008-11-18T16:49:00.000-07:00First of all, we're discussing civil asset forfeit...First of all, we're discussing <I>civil</I> asset forfeiture, not the criminal variety, which means that -- contrary to what you just wrote -- there are no "criminal proceedings" involved. <BR/><BR/>Many police departments and sheriff's offices conduct civil forfeiture proceedings themselves, without bothering to go through a court of any kind. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, in cases of this sort the property itself is found "guilty" under the <I>in rem </I> doctrine, and the burden is placed on the victims of officially sanctioned police theft to prove that they obtained their property legally. <BR/><BR/>In the case mentioned above, the elderly couple who had their life savings jacked by the local blue light gang can't contest the case until next March. <BR/><BR/>The thugs justified the seizure of medical marijuana by claiming to have "evidence" that the couple was dealing marijuana, yet -- now, PAY ATTENTION, my easily distracted interlocutor -- <I><B>NO CHARGES WERE FILED.</B></I><BR/><BR/>In the meantime, they've got to live on a few hundred dollars a month, while Sheriff Lobo and his little piggies are wallowing in donuts. <BR/><BR/>This kind of thing is very common. It has corrupted entire departments in many cities and states across the country. <BR/><BR/>Any LEO with so much as a particle of integrity would be condemning this common practice at the top of his lungs. Apart from the heroic folks at LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition), we've heard nothing but silence, punctuated by the occasional contented burp.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-59846843807095501572008-11-18T16:31:00.000-07:002008-11-18T16:31:00.000-07:00i guess that would be your opinion, and you are ce...i guess that would be your opinion, and you are certainley entitled to it, but i would put the integrity of 90 percent of all police officers above you. if you knew anything about criminal cases, you would know that the police can not just take property without due process for the purpose of assest forfieture. police do not and can not determine that the property is controband for the pupose of asset forfieture. that is why there is criminal proceedings, you know court, not the police. the days of mayberry when andy was the cop and the judge are over. there are so many oversight groups for law enforcement that it isnt even funny. you live under a rock, and as long as nothing disturbs the rock, you are fine and dandy, but other than that, the world is out to get you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37038769682467073552008-11-18T15:00:00.000-07:002008-11-18T15:00:00.000-07:00First of all, the point of the initial essay here ...First of all, the point of the initial essay here was that it's common for innocent people to have their money and property stolen by the police without being charged with a crime, much less convicted of one. The couple above was never charged with breaking any law whatsoever, and their case is actually quite typical.<BR/><BR/>Are we clear on that? Must I dumb this down a bit more? Or do you assume that anyone on the receiving end of police violence is, by that fact alone, to be considered a criminal? <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, if the Clinton and Bush regimes have taught us anything, it's that the moral hurdles one has to clear in order to be president aren't demanding at all. And I'm inclined to think that the washout rate among would-be police attests to the dismal nature of the recruiting pool, rather than the exalted standards of the profession.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-56218614743500413272008-11-18T14:53:00.000-07:002008-11-18T14:53:00.000-07:00If you think it is so easy to be a police officer,...If you think it is so easy to be a police officer, take the test and put on the badge, otherwise shut the hell up.... <BR/><BR/><BR/>I did say it and still fail to see where i said i was going to make you shut up.......by the way....less than three percent of all people that apply to be police officers are picked......it takes a higher level of morality and integrity for a police officer than it does for the president. any idiot with a pen can be a author and as long as you have mindless slugs that are afraid to say anything back to you that will buy your crap. Now back to the crux of your original blog was about how the government can take your stuff if you break the law, laws that are applied even if you dont beleive in them.. hell you even have a moron that advocates killing gov. officials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-39977189821634265942008-11-18T14:37:00.000-07:002008-11-18T14:37:00.000-07:00"...please show me where i siad i was going to mak..."...please show me where i siad i was going to make you shut up?"<BR/><BR/>Aren't you the author of the words below? --<BR/><BR/><I>If you think it is so easy to be a police officer, take the test and put on the badge, otherwise shut the hell up.... </I><BR/><BR/><BR/>The possibility of being blamed, erroneously, for comments made by someone else is just one of the many disadvantages of posting anonymously. <BR/><BR/>It's not difficult at all to become a police officer, and relatively easy to retain that job despite demonstrated incompetence and malice. It can be a difficult and dangerous job, but in terms of actual on-the-job mortality it's not even in the top dozen or so most dangerous occupations.<BR/><BR/>But again, I must bring the discussion back to this specific case, in which two elderly people were robbed, at gunpoint, of their life savings by deputy sheriffs without even the pretense of legal sanction. In a case such as this, how can we possibly sympathize with the assailants rather than the victims, irrespective of the costumes and fancy jewelry the assailants wear?William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-53138207186277514172008-11-18T14:16:00.000-07:002008-11-18T14:16:00.000-07:00you are a idiot, by the way I checked the spelling...you are a idiot, by the way I checked the spelling and I spelled it right. You are missing the point, you did not say anything in that paragraph about a particular police officer, you stated that it was easier to buy drugs than it was to find a honest police officer. I realize that you have a higher education than I and can use your fancy words of wit..... and please show me where i siad i was going to make you shut up? What is this, are you threatening to use violence against me for not believing the same was as you, i repeat you are not only a idiot, you are a hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-75859750769353757542008-11-18T10:28:00.000-07:002008-11-18T10:28:00.000-07:00You keep missing the point, despite the fact that ...You keep missing the point, despite the fact that it's quite huge and placed conveniently near to you. <BR/><BR/>I'll repeat it again in the form of a question put as simply as possible, a courtesy I offer to those who display mental shortcomings of the sort from which you obviously suffer:<BR/><BR/>What evidence can you provide that the elderly couple described in my essay was involved in drug dealing, given that they were never charged with that offense (or any other)?<BR/><BR/>Anything of substance presented in your initial comment was based on the assumption that an actual crime was committed by that couple. They've never been charged with one, yet -- in defiance of the expectations cultivated by your illiterate truculence and substandard thinking -- you tacitly lay claim to something akin to omniscience by insisting that we should simply consider that couple to be guilty of some grave offense. <BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I'm happy to keep you tied up at the computer all day, hunting painfully at the keyboard for the appropriate letters with which to spell out (incorrectly, in most cases) your sub-adolescent thoughts. Assuming you're an LEO of some kind, I think that's by far the most productive and socially redemptive use of your time. <BR/><BR/>And yes, you're <I>still</I> invited to come and make me "shut the hell up" in person, as you so bravely did from behind the security of on-line anonymity, which is hardly a gesture worthy of either St. Christopher or the estimable Harvey Birdman, esq.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-45395443896438525802008-11-18T08:12:00.000-07:002008-11-18T08:12:00.000-07:00WG saidIn case you haven't noticed, it's easier to...WG said<BR/><BR/>In case you haven't noticed, it's easier to buy "illegal" drugs than it is to find an honest police officer......<BR/><BR/><BR/>I guess I can see how that comment could be taken wrong, and the big boy wanna fight me cuz i dont agree with him...I never threatened you, but you felt it necessary to escalate the situation with your " you cant make me attitude ". On the other hand, it is easier to find the tooth fairy than it is to find a jounalist that does not have a tabloid mentality.<BR/><BR/>without law, there is lawlessness and blessed are the pecemakers. kind of funny that St. Christopher is the gaurdian of all police officers, and who watches out for you and your kind, Harvey Birdman, attorney at law.<BR/><BR/>this is kinda fun, insult me again and lets see how long it takes me to come back with a smart ass comment.<BR/><BR/>i will give you credit though, i cant wait to get on my computer durring the day, this gives me something to look foreward to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-87277172740049562202008-11-17T18:33:00.000-07:002008-11-17T18:33:00.000-07:00First and most importantly, there is a question pe...First and most importantly, there is a question pending here that you aren't answering; re-read (or, more likely, given your dismal spelling, have read to you) the first line of my comment directly above.<BR/><BR/>You're either too obtuse to understand the facts of the case presented above, or incurably dishonest and determined to misrepresent them, or -- most likely -- both. <BR/><BR/>There are many good police officers, but most of what good police officers do has nothing to do with protecting individual rights and everything to do with revenue extraction.<BR/><BR/>Unlike yourself, I don't cower in anonymity; my name, likeness, and contact info are all in the public record. If you want me to shut up, you're going to have to man up and do the job yourself. <BR/><BR/>So -- drop me a line, if you'd like, at WNGrigg [at] MSN [dot] com, and I'll give you personalized directions so that you can come here and make me shut up, if you'd care to.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-31934736490440595462008-11-17T15:27:00.000-07:002008-11-17T15:27:00.000-07:00piss off you meaningless little moron. there are ...piss off you meaningless little moron. there are far more good police officers than ther are bad, and you are judging the mass by a few. If you think it is so easy to be a police officer, take the test and put on the badge, otherwise shut the hell up, but i suspect that you are nothing more than a little boy that could not hack it in any other job, so you critcize for a living. move to california where they appreciate egotistical, arrogant and ignorant people like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-61055241464994682992008-11-17T14:12:00.000-07:002008-11-17T14:12:00.000-07:00Where was the "crime" committed in the story relat...Where was the "crime" committed in the story related above? If you had read it carefully you might have noticed that nobody was even <I>charged</I> with a crime, let alone prosecuted for and convicted of one. <BR/><BR/>Nobody was "selling" drugs; this story involved an elderly couple with valid medical prescriptions to grow marijuana for use as a palliative (the husband uses it for tea, rather than smoking it).<BR/><BR/>In case you haven't noticed, it's easier to buy "illegal" drugs than it is to find an honest police officer. The "war on drugs" simply serves as a price support program for drug dealers and a huge public works program for donut-devourers, SWAT thugs, and politically ambitious prosecutors.William N. Grigghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14368220509514750246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-64696923528425521032008-11-17T12:14:00.000-07:002008-11-17T12:14:00.000-07:00if you cant do the time thendont do the crime. pr...if you cant do the time thendont do the crime. protecting a drug user/abuser/pusher is no better than telling them that they are a vicitm of society. maybe you should have to go to the hospitol or the morgue with a parent and help them identify the body of the teen age son/daughter. there is a reason that there are such harsh penalties attatched to the production and or sale of all drugs,inc. pot. Maybe they wont do it anymore...... pot does not have any medical property other than a mild sedative, it does not cure anything, I've had this same conversation with teenage kids who think that it should be legalized, and the story is the same all the time, it will be easier for them to get. if you want to sell drugs, then be prepared to loose all of your belongings, and hopefully all of your freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32869165.post-37564650317822137752008-10-23T18:32:00.000-06:002008-10-23T18:32:00.000-06:00As A martial art's instructor for 19 years I can s...As A martial art's instructor for 19 years I can say everyone absolutly has the right to defend them-self from police aggression. Untill the people come to an understanding that it is O.K. to use force from an attack we will continue to see a rise in law-enforcement abuse. When the people begin to use there right there will be a noticeable drop in law-enforcement abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com