Comments on Pro Libertate: "Why Did Police Kill My Dad?"

This story was a cornerstone to changing my own vi...

2011-10-12T11:02:49.207-06:00

This story was a cornerstone to changing my own views about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I've done a lot of reflecting and conclude that the notion of "rights" is NONEXISTENT. There is no "right" that cannot be taken away - not even the "right" to think. Thinking can be altered to force people to conform. How many kids do we have on meds with dx of A.D.D. or A.D.H.D.?

I've been studying principles of zero gov. At first I thought the idea was insane. But with the impending collapse of the dollar coming soon, could a zero government nation be born? http://zerogov.com/

“Why could these PIGS* not have ambushed this man ...

2011-10-12T10:10:03.388-06:00

“Why could these PIGS* not have ambushed this man when he was returning from work?”

They COULD, but then they are not permitted to ransack the home and steal whatever they want.
They’re also not allowed to take the home and sell it for the proceeds which they would then add
to their own agency’s budget. ALL they’d get is the arrest. They have to enter the home and find
money and/or drugs for the latter to be permitted. THAT’S why they bust in instead of arresting
the victims on the way to work or the store or something.

“Consider the billions upon billions spent to destroy American society, not by the druggis but by
the government trying to stop the druggies.”

If that wasn’t just the excuse you’d be right, but it is – just an excuse. The DEA now exists to attack
citizens and steal their money, property, savings and whatever else they can sell. They do the same
to the doctors treating Chronic Pain patients (CPPs). The Congress was about to cut their funding
having realized they were “losing the Drug War” when they figured out they could railroad pain
treating docs into prison and get their money AND the publicity. They just had to lie a little more
than they had been. Addiction is a medical problem, not a criminal one, and over-prescribing should
be handled by a Medical Board, not the courts, but then the cops would lose the money.

The cops around here – small town Central Oregon – are respectful, well-trained and polite, though
I don’t doubt there are a few exceptions, and my city’s PD and county’s S.O. HAVE NO SWAT GEAR
from Uncle Sam. They have no use for it, and they know it. I think there IS a special unit, I know there
are some ex-military and some excellent marksmen, but that’s it. There are also lots of ex-military
civilians (myself for one), lots and LOTS of hunters and others who are armed effectives. Open carry
is legal as long as ammo clips are carried separate from handguns, which takes about half a second to
remedy at need. And up in the woods you don’t have to separate ammo and gun. I’ve never had a
problem with a local cop. I knew one jerk, even the local cops didn’t like him, and he left. It’s the
SWAT training and conditioning plus the Drug War, which is a power grab and a money gathering scam. THAT’S what needs to be changed!

why? Dearest of all Dearest, Why? Please do not ...

2011-09-01T01:35:26.545-06:00

why? Dearest of all Dearest, Why? Please do not foresake us. They are trying to kill us. Why? I am so sorry for us. Who knows their plans. Who knows what is going on. Our police are not who they used to be. It is like we are the enemy. I hang my head in shame and saddness for the way we live today. I honestly thought we were suppose to be getting better. However, there is so much injustice, so much chaos, and it seems no one not even our elected leaders and even the President can stop this. Why? Please someone tell me why? WHY?

People have been losing faith in the law for some ...

2011-08-16T00:02:51.517-06:00

People have been losing faith in the law for some time, but events like this are a turbocharger feeling. It's a shame for the good cops out there trying to ride out the storm with a semblance of decency. It must be hard.

Great response to the tired old justification that...

2011-07-11T08:26:53.533-06:00

Great response to the tired old justification that Guerena had it coming for pointing a weapon at these thugs.

Given that Mr. Guerena didn't fire his rifle, ...

2011-07-11T07:34:41.234-06:00

Given that Mr. Guerena didn't fire his rifle, and that the safety was still on when it was found, how do you presume to know that he didn't drop the weapon after identifying the intruders as police?

Furthermore, if the cowards in body armor who illegally invaded Guerena's home hadn't actively prevented him from receiving medical help, he would most likely have survived his wounds.

The tax-fattened sissies, like pretty much everybody else in their line of "work" were piss-poor shots, hitting Guerena with 22 of the 71 rounds they flung in his direction -- and the resulting wounds were survivable. If the invaders had rendered aid -- one of them was a qualified field medic -- or allowed the paramedics to treat the victim, he would have lived. Instead, they sent in a robot to poke at the body while Guerena bled out.

They knew what they were doing; one of them, according to the SWAT team's on-site commander, made a comment about "finishing" what they had started. By any honest reckoning, this is -- at best -- a case of second degree murder.

No, stupidity isn't fixable -- and neither is the incurable dishonesty of badge-toting bullies and the jock-riding sycophants who defend them.

Lesson to be learned don't point a gun at a co...

2011-07-11T03:24:20.887-06:00

Lesson to be learned don't point a gun at a cop. Had he dropped the weapon he would be alive. It's his fault for being an idiot and making a widower of his wife. Can't fix stupid...well except with a few bullets maybe.

the problem is we could never have another revolut...

2011-06-05T15:04:23.698-06:00

the problem is we could never have another revolution, we let ourselves become far to out gunned! my only question is who would law enforcment, federal agencies, and millitary side with? even though they are employed by the man, they all are middle to low class citizens who are being suppressed by power hungry politicians just like the rest of us. i hate to sound like some conspericie theorist, or militia member, but dose anybody watch the history channel? this country as well as others have all made these mistakes before, but i guess we have forgoten.

Please call me if you can. I am a reporter for a ...

2011-05-31T19:17:16.700-06:00

Please call me if you can. I am a reporter for a motorcycle magazine and am going to be reporting about this case as it applies to motorcycle clubs that supported the memorial conducted in Tucson on Memorial Day by Oath Keepers. My name is Lily Gonzalez and my # is 702-417-6260. Thank you!

I had the privilege of attending the memorial serv...

2011-05-31T00:11:19.072-06:00

I had the privilege of attending the memorial service conducted by the Oath Keepers. There was quite a bit of media coverage. Couple of questions by reporters got my attention.

1. Do you think the fact that Jose was a Marine has anything to do with how much attention this incident is?

Compared to what? All the other law-abiding citizens that are being murdered by cops with guns and badges?

Why was Rep Gifford's shooting incident covered immediately NATIONALLY? And this Marine's government-sanctioned execution is just NOW gaining national attention? Will President Obama hold a memorial in Tuscon to honor this Marine's memory? And where's the arrogant jerk Sheriff? As I recall he couldn't wait to get face-time on national TV to chastise his political opponents.

2. Is there ever a time in which a police officer should be shot? The logical answer is: HELL YES! What makes their lives more valuable than the rest of us?

SWAT teams are a hammer, and when all you have is ...

2011-05-29T10:25:35.690-06:00

SWAT teams are a hammer, and when all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.

You have all this nifty military equipment, you're going to start looking for ways to play with it, and I use the verb "play" deliberately, as it seems to be a game to many of these adrenalin junkies.

When, recently, several cops were killed in a week's time in unrelated incidents, the press and police assn's started immediately whining about a "war on cops" taking place. They actually have it reversed...there's a war on all right, but it's a war on American citizens and so far, only one side is shooting; I'll leave you to figure out which one it is.

However, I anticipate (not in the gleeful sense, more as in predict) that as people do realize they have nothing left to lose since they will not be left alone, that thugs like this will really find out what a war is, to the misery of both sides.

I predict that nothing significant will come of th...

2011-05-20T20:16:04.999-06:00

I predict that nothing significant will come of this. Much as I would like it to be otherwise, this fade away like all the outrageous acts that preceeded it.

Liberranter: "rulers can only exercise power ...

2011-05-20T00:31:21.238-06:00

Liberranter: "rulers can only exercise power if there are a sufficient number among the ruled who are willing to be their musclemen and turn against their fellow serfs."

And what a coincidence: we happen to have loads and loads of these Urban Warfare trained ex-military (and active duty if they need them, or think they do) who are very young, poorly educated and utterly ignorant about the Constitution or its real history and meanings, their own right and obligations, willing to do anything to anyone if they're ordered to and believing its legal and right because they know no better! And imagine all those coincidences coming together like that, too!

This is Evil, children. No matter that they call US "anti-American, terrorists and on and on. We know that it is THEY who are those things, and as always they just turn it around and pretend nobody noticed. If we don't fight this SOMEHOW, America is dead, literally and figuratively.

Ian
Vietnam Era Veteran, disabled
Oathkeeper

In reply to a number of comments here: When no-kn...

2011-05-20T00:18:54.792-06:00

In reply to a number of comments here:

When no-knock raids on homes were first instituted, cops found out that they could walk off with just about ANYTHING they wanted. Some of it could legally be added to the police budgets, and now the property itself can be charged with a drug crime and be stolen - via "civil forfeiture," which is neither. If they waited until the suspect left the house for a dental appointment or something they couldn't steal anything; all they'd have would be an arrested suspect.

What the cops are doing by using SWAT teams for almost everything is terrorizing the populace. They are making citizens AFRAID of the government and its representatives. That's it. The interpretation of the Fourth Amendment is totally spurious, just like that so-called "back door" laws to remove gun rights. The First Amendment is too clear and too simple to be legally subverted: "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." A Concealed Carry permit being required is Unconstitutional. Period. Making ANY shotguns illegal, forbidding the re-importation of the M1s - it's ALL illegal, because it ALL infringes on the First Amendment. As usual they're simply ignoring the law - Constitutional and statue.

Allowing the man to lie there wounded until he died in the presence of his wife was PREMEDITATE MURDER. There is NO way around it. NONE! If these cops - and they are NOT "Peace officers"! - are not tried and sentenced for EXACTLY THAT CRIME, then there IS NO law in that place! Or in THIS place. Amerika.

In the vast majority of these cases, if the police had IDed themselves, actually had a search warrant there in their hot little hands at the time, correctly filled out and signed, they would have found no evidence save evidence of the man's innocence and that would have been that - assuming that it wasn't their intent to begin with.

S.W.A.T. should NEVER be used casually. And the way these badge-wearing thugs Run these things, with the wrong addresses half the time or more, shooting family pets, stealing anything not nailed down, assuming the suspect to have long since been convicted... They are CARELESS, MURDEROUS, vengeful, and too often they appear not to give a damn. They aren't there to protect anyone or anything - they're there for some ACTION!

That entire community, maybe the whole City of citizens ought to get together, hire some GOOD lawyers and go after the City AND the individual cops. If they are never held accountable, this will only get worse. That's how bullies always work it, and they always will. They'll keep at it until they ARE STOPPED!

Ian

Madranger, your point is well taken, but rulers ca...

2011-05-19T17:43:40.600-06:00

Madranger, your point is well taken, but rulers can only exercise power if there are a sufficient number among the ruled who are willing to be their musclemen and turn against their fellow serfs. Without muscle from among the hoi polloi to ensure their positions of power, these rulers would be nothing at all except fodder for the gallows. This is why any reasonable measures that can be taken to discourage the "least among us" from selling themselves as whores to the power elite MUST be taken. The very future of our liberty depends on it.

There are leaders and there are 'rulers'. ...

2011-05-19T14:05:41.394-06:00

There are leaders and there are 'rulers'. The amount of respect that persons with government power have to Constitutional Law is a primary statement of their character.

The blatant disregard for those wise amendments by govt officials, that will encourage a 'developed enemy' to attack its biggest naval port to start a war, will lie to start war, blow up buildings and kill thousands to start war, execute illegal unending wars with reasons given being nothing but lies.

I am very sorry that a young widow and a young son are victims of this beastly act, but government-sponsored armed forces do what they are directed to do; so we must look to where the directives come from...whether invading Jose's home and killing him, or warriors bombing cities that kill thousnds of innocents.

All these acts, with few exceptions, come from RULERS. We must get rid of rulers and replace them with Constitution-loving leaders that insist on high morals.

"EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of...

2011-05-19T08:12:56.604-06:00

"EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of this article. So they KNOW what they are fighting for, and how the government really feels about them."

A noble, if absolutely futile gesture. Active duty troops have been thoroughly brainwashed into blindly obeying any and all orders given them and are, for the most part, absolutely incapable of the critical thought processes that are required to understand and appreciate this article.

MoT, there are actually two rulings recently hande...

2011-05-19T08:09:33.317-06:00

MoT, there are actually two rulings recently handed down by Amerikan "courts" that equate to declarations of war against the American People, and I believe whitebuffalo is referring to both.

The first case, one that Will alerted us to on the LRC blog is an Indiana State Supreme Court decision, one that will certainly be upheld by SCOTUS, that essentially nullifies nearly a thousand years of Common Law by stating that Mere Mundanes have no lawful right to resist invasion of their homes by costumed, armed agents of the state, no matter how illegal such an invasion is, even if it is carried out without warrants, probable cause, and failure of said state-employed thugs to identify themselves as such.

The second case, another one that Will was gracious enough to alert us to on the LRC blog, is the case of Kentucky vs. King, in which the SCOTUS has effectively obliterated what little remains of the Fourth Amendment by stating that police do not need to go to the trouble of getting a search warrant to enter a home if they knock loudly, announce themselves, and hear what they think is the sound of evidence being destroyed.

Needless to say, impeachment and removal from the bench are only the first and mildest of the punishments that need to be doled out to the black-robed tyrants that rendered these decisions. If this is the opening salvo in the State's final offensive against Us the People, we'd better damned well wake up and fight back!

whitebuffalo/liberanter - I'd be interested in...

2011-05-19T06:08:47.360-06:00

whitebuffalo/liberanter - I'd be interested in knowing which ruling you're talking about. Out of curiosity.

The "legal" right has just been removed ...

2011-05-18T23:08:20.646-06:00

The "legal" right has just been removed by the latest supreme idiots' (aka the supreme court)ruling, making it official: Amerika is a police state.M.

In rendering this decision, the SCOTUS has, for all practical purposes, served notice that the Regime is declaring war on the American People. We the People need to respond to it as if it were exactly such a thing.

"EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of...

2011-05-18T16:51:57.666-06:00

"EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of this article. So they KNOW what they are fighting for, and how the government really feels about them."

This is a great idea!!

"Jose had every moral and legal right to use...

2011-05-18T08:23:59.852-06:00

"Jose had every moral and legal right to use lethal force to defend his home from an unlawful invasion."

The "legal" right has just been removed by the latest supreme idiots' (aka the supreme court)ruling, making it official: Amerika is a police state.

What a tragedy. The pigs who gunned down this inn...

2011-05-17T13:42:17.628-06:00

What a tragedy. The pigs who gunned down this innocent man and ruined the lives of a family have blood on their hands and rot in their hearts. A very short line exists between them and what's coming for them, karmically speaking. If real change is coming, the best I can offer, at least musically speaking, is the New White Trash (www.NewWhiteTrash.com). One band member is former LAPD cop and uber-activist Michael C. Ruppert. Some of their videos available at: http://www.youtube.com/user/VeniceArtsClub

EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of this ...

2011-05-17T06:10:59.771-06:00

EVERY active duty Troop should get a copy of this article. So they KNOW what they are fighting for, and how the government really feels about them.

Isaac, You may be correct on federal reinforcement...

2011-05-17T01:38:09.747-06:00

Isaac, You may be correct on federal reinforcements but I highly doubt a military response would be the result. And even if it were, a fifth column conflict cannot be won with conventional military power. For some reason our own government has repeatedly failed to learn this lesson.

I believe that fighting "fire with water", as you so well put it, has only served to allow authoritarian atrocities to drastically increase in number and severity over the past few decades.

Before you can apply the "water", you have to understand what kind of people we are dealing with in law enforcement. These are not educated, cultured, or sophisticated people. As an entity, law enforcement is not capable of reasoned discussion or rational thought. They only serve as a control compliance force. You may as well sit down for an evening discussion of Tolstoy with a farm animal. No matter how sincerely you discuss Anna Karenina with your cow, it's just a waste of time.

Many of these officers are the schoolyard bullies and narcissistic, self absorbed jocks we used to laugh at as kids. Now they are steriod fueled, power drunk, and hungry to make you submissive to their every whim. You don't show meek submission to a bully. You soundly kick his ass.

I know for a fact that there still a great many good people in law enforcement. I know quite a few. The problem is that the good people are not doing anything to get rid of the bad people. The net effect is that they all look bad. So much so, in fact, that it is now impossible to assume that any police officer you come into contact with is one of the "good guys". This is why I have an audio recorder with me at all times. We all should. They will be recording you so it would be foolish to not have your own recording of the encounter that does not fall under their control.

In short: If law enforcement wants to regain the trust and respect of the citizenry, they must rid themselves of the increasing number of bad apples in their ranks and conduct themselves within the bounds of the Constitution and the law.

If, however, they fail to do so, a large percentage of the population may come to understand that the structure of the police state will not allow their families to live peaceful, productive lives. When that percentage of the population reaches a sufficient size, the people will take it upon themselves to change the way law enforcement acts. I would dare say that when that time comes, the size and scope of the uprising may negate the possibility of military intervention.

jk