Comments on Pro Libertate: The Civil Religion and the Seventh-Inning Stretch (Updated, 7/8)

Wait until the day the cops are at your local chur...

2009-08-03T16:47:18.184-06:00

Wait until the day the cops are at your local church making sure you worship correctly, then at the local theater, at McDonalds, at your kids Little League ball game, and everywhere else to make sure you conform. You blindly believe the cops are there for you, they are there for you, to make sure you follow orders, that you submit, that you shut up and give them 100% power to control you.
What are you going to do, when the Muslims take over this nation, and you follow orders or they may kill you, if you do not stop this loss of Freedoms now, you have only yourself to blame. My ancestors came here for Religous Freedom on the Mayflower, others who were Quakers were abused for trying to believe differently, in 1776 brave citizens of this new nation fought a battle to give us perpetual religous freedom, and you want to end that?
Shall we have only one correct belief, decided on by you?
Do you think the Muslims in America would sing God Bless America now? Fools you are.

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/23/idaho-police-so...

2009-07-23T21:50:50.407-06:00

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/07/23/idaho-police-sodomize-man-with-taser/

Anyone out there who still believes that the Taser's true purpose is something other than "to enforce compliance through pain?"

Aye. Make a stand on the Nationalist Anthem: don&#...

2009-07-09T06:16:53.849-06:00

Aye. Make a stand on the Nationalist Anthem: don't stand while it's being played.

Disclaimer: not standing during the Nationalist Anthem may get you physically assaulted by State-worshippers, incensed by your refusal to burn incense before their god.

Unfortunately, they have the same forced patriotic...

2009-07-08T15:01:14.444-06:00

Unfortunately, they have the same forced patriotic nonsense at the Yankees' minor league games in Staten Island, NY. When the announcer intones about our troops "defending our freedom," I usually shout "us from" between "defending" and "our."

I usually head to the bathroom during the seventh inning stretch for this reason, without any problems.

BTW, I lost someone close to me on 9/11/01 and I got tired of the fascist crap a long time ago.

kirk -- unfortunately, the Liberty News Radio Netw...

2009-07-08T14:45:46.677-06:00

kirk -- unfortunately, the Liberty News Radio Network doesn't have an affiliate in the Treasure Valley yet (although talks are underway with a local Christian station).

So if you're interested in listening to the program it's necessary to do so on-line at present: Go to
libertynewsradio.com and look at the "on air now" box on the right hand side of the screen, and choose the format that's most convenient (there are a half-dozen from which to choose). Thanks!

Good Afternoon, Will - I live in Fruitland and wa...

2009-07-08T13:11:07.780-06:00

Good Afternoon, Will -

I live in Fruitland and wanted to know which radio station in our area carries your radio show so I can tune in and listen.

Wow! Anyone else find the references to Anon 8:17...

2009-07-07T23:44:00.835-06:00

Wow! Anyone else find the references to Anon 8:17 amusing. Like you all found another book in your Bible. Paul's Letter to the Anonymous Church of Neverwhere or The Gospel of Anonymous the Uncounted Apostle.

I think it is time to get some sleep.

I can't even begin to count how many times I&#...

2009-07-07T23:06:47.537-06:00

I can't even begin to count how many times I've goofed when it came to putting things in context. Unfortunately once the send button is pushed its too late. And I have to agree with them that if you have the means and the will... and more importantly at decent place to land, then more power to you. I'd be right with you as soon as I can.

No offense taken. What a meant was that I wouldn&#...

2009-07-07T22:59:14.954-06:00

No offense taken. What a meant was that I wouldn't want to live in "their" country where the state and various other false idols require worship round the clock. The second part was that people with in demand degrees and disciplines will be able to leave if it gets too Sovietski.

The local AM blowtorch reported at 0045hrs that Mr...

2009-07-07T22:54:14.935-06:00

The local AM blowtorch reported at 0045hrs that Mr. Laurion recieved settlement. 10,000 from NYC and 12,000 for legal fees it sounded like but the reception was fuzzy.

'I Hate Bobby Flay' (interesting moniker) ...

2009-07-07T22:39:12.584-06:00

'I Hate Bobby Flay' (interesting moniker) askes "Why are the police even at every baseball game and state fair and grand opening and boating event, why are they everywhere we go with their smothering, ominous presence?"

The answer is simple - money. With all things gov't, follow the money if you seek the truth.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

"So-called systems have often been characteri...

2009-07-07T20:52:41.757-06:00

"So-called systems have often been characterized and challenged in the assertion that they abrogate the distinction between good and evil, and destroy freedom. Perhaps one would express oneself quite as definitely, if one said that every such system fantastically dissipates the concept existence. ... Being an individual man is a thing that has been abolished, and every speculative philosopher confuses himself with humanity at large; whereby he becomes something infinitely great, and at the same time nothing at all."
– Johannes Climacus, alias Søren Kierkegaard, Concluding Unscientific Postscript I (deconstructing Hegel)

Hegel drew from Rousseau: the system being enacted is distinctly Hegelian in the translation of state as being and being as state:
"The state is the actuality of the ethical Idea. It is ethical mind qua the substantial will manifest and revealed to itself, knowing and thinking itself, accomplishing what it knows and in so far as it knows it. The state exists immediately in custom, mediately in individual self-consciousness, knowledge, and activity, while self-consciousness in virtue of its sentiment towards the state, finds in the state, as its essence and the end-product of its activity, its substantive freedom."
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/pr/prstate.htm

The way I see it is that the state, those of whom the state forms substance, see dissension in the same way the body sees antigens. Hence the violent and abrupt defense against the man who would just get permission to use the toilet.

will and all others, the anon comment... it'...

2009-07-07T18:56:12.905-06:00

will and all others,

the anon comment...

it's his fault for not putting his statement in context. a man should mean what he says and says what he means. i'm glad others picked it up, but even after reading will's apology, i can see how he came to the conclusion he arrived at.

i mean, put it this way. write down his comments on a sheet of paper and hand it to a random person and wait for the response you get. i think with 100% certainty i could predict your letter will not be well recieved.

oh well.

will,

i guess you should expect with a name like the "yankees" that they would be state worshipers.

rick

I think Anon @8:17 was just quoting from the artic...

2009-07-07T13:53:28.476-06:00

I think Anon @8:17 was just quoting from the article to “get the hell out of my country if you don’t like it,” because he then said that was good advice and those who can afford to do so will be leaving.

Why are the police even at every baseball game and state fair and grand opening and boating event, why are they everywhere we go with their smothering, ominous presence? Has it always been like this and has just gotten worse since That Day? They are not there to prevent or deter “crime” which they can’t do anyway, but only to intimidate and God forbid you should somehow get their attention by making a “sudden movement” or “reaching up your hand” or “staring at them.” I saw a photograph of over 500 people gathered in some sort of street celebration and I kept staring at it: what’s wrong with this picture? Oh, yeah, they were not surrounded by dressed-for-war cops wielding semi-automatic rifles. I don’t remember what country it was where people could gather in such a way, but it certainly was not here.

Everyone calm down for a minute. Enough of the che...

2009-07-07T13:12:08.972-06:00

Everyone calm down for a minute. Enough of the chest thumping.
It think the quote from anon 817 was a statement made by the NYC cop to the guy they were throwing out of the stadium. Mr anon was repeating it sans any quotations to make a point that people are leaving of their own volition to escape monsters such as those at Yankee stadium .

I know Anon 8:17! He/She/It comes to our medical c...

2009-07-07T12:58:51.836-06:00

I know Anon 8:17!
He/She/It comes to our medical clinic in Denver all the time to pick up its hormone injections. It's always coming in and complaining about its boyfriend not spending enough time with him/it. Today it came in raging against some "anti-American" blog by someone named "Grigg". After a little search, lo and behold, I found Grigg's blog! What a small world! BTW, your blog is great Mr. Grigg.
-LPN Kathy C. DeWitt

Yeah, those pesky atheists . . . The state and re...

2009-07-07T12:56:24.573-06:00

Yeah, those pesky atheists . . .

The state and religion share a natural codependents - religion lusts after the power of the state and the state lusts after the blind belief in a 'higher' power (the higher power being the state of course). Even Marx recognized the social anesthetic value of religion and its group-think rituals.

What is amazing to me is how people get so caught up in the group-think that they would feel they have the right to demand the non-conformist comply or leave. I think anon 8:17 would find you would have an awful lot of folks standing with you . . . this non-conformist atheist included.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

I don't want to speak for Anon at 8:17. But w...

2009-07-07T12:02:10.763-06:00

I don't want to speak for Anon at 8:17. But with the proper punctuation, notably quotation marks around the first line, his post does make some sense.

Anonymous said... Get the hell out of my country ...

2009-07-07T11:38:45.625-06:00

Anonymous said...
Get the hell out of my country if you don't like it. Good advice and I predict you will see those with the ways and the means to get out doing so.

8:17 AM

I took this to be a poorly-punctuated prediction, not any species of threat. If so, I agree: those with the means may very well hie them hence, tho' I'm at a loss to imagine where they fancy they might find a more agreeable living situation.

Otherwise, I'd have to agree: get to jumping, frog boy.

Tax eaters (cops) working for tax eaters (major le...

2009-07-07T10:55:27.192-06:00

Tax eaters (cops) working for tax eaters (major league sports) to force those from whom the funds are extracted (taxpayers) to bow down before a tax eater decree that has no weight of law (seventh inning benediction of the glorious state), replete with the inevitable sneer of "love it or leave it", foretells of things to come.

I know, I know: it can't happen here. What can be said to that? Put it on your tombstone when the state plants you.

These are dangerous times for those who want to be left alone in freedom. As the empire crumbles, the situation described at the tax eater stadium will be repeated countless times, of greater significance and size.

"We are different" is what I have been told all my life. This is true. The "difference" is that we are much more hypocritical in describing our actions than thugs in other places are. Beyond the hypocrisy, there is not much difference.

Anon 8:17, I assume from the tone of your post tha...

2009-07-07T10:53:56.221-06:00

Anon 8:17, I assume from the tone of your post that "your" country is the United Fascialist State of Amerika, that monstrous entity hellbent on devouring what little remains of the nation established by the Founders. Far from "getting out", I think that most of the readership of this blog will be dedicated not only to staying right where they are, but to putting the brakes on "your" country's belligerent encroachment upon our lives, liberty, and property. To echo Will's sentiment, come on down and TRY to make us leave!

Are you serious, Anonymous? Anytime you're fe...

2009-07-07T10:22:14.454-06:00

Are you serious, Anonymous?

Anytime you're feeling all hairy-chested and ready, pay me a little visit (I'm easy to find) and try to make me leave my country.

Better bring your lunch. And plenty of help.

Get the hell out of my country if you don't li...

2009-07-07T09:17:06.810-06:00

Get the hell out of my country if you don't like it. Good advice and I predict you will see those with the ways and the means to get out doing so.

Throughout childhood I detested organized sports o...

2009-07-07T09:13:42.696-06:00

Throughout childhood I detested organized sports of all kinds. Now as an adult little has changed. Group think and actions are dangerous. Ill stick to hunting by myself for a recreational pursuit.

Will: Thank you for shedding some long overdue li...

2009-07-07T08:55:44.670-06:00

Will:

Thank you for shedding some long overdue light on one of the sports world's most unpalatable features. Before my "conversion" to the cause of libertarianism, I never gave the ritual of the national anthem before first pitch any thought. Since that personal epiphany, and especially since the introduction of the practice of singing "God Bless Amerika", the corporate state's unofficial anthem, during the seventh inning stretch after "the Day That Changed Everything", attending my favorite sport has become nearly intolerable. Fortunately, at least at local games of the unaffiliated minor league team that I regularly attend, the habit of singing the unofficial anthem during the stretch seems to have fallen largely by the wayside as Boobus's memory and attention span fade and the singing of baseball's proper anthem is back in vogue as it should be.

As far as the state-corporate "partnership" is concerned, there is an almost hilarious situation unfolding here in Tucson, a city that likes to imagine itself as "Baseball's Spring Training Capitol." Despite massive subsidies extracted from the citizenry to bribe three major league teams (the Diamondbacks, the White Sox, and the Rockies) into keeping their spring training facilities here, all but the Rockies are in the process of breaking their local leases to move 100 miles west to Phoenix, which, while not offering these corporate welfare queens any more taxpayer-funded largesse than Tucson, apparently offer better facilities and a more dedicated "Cactus League" fan base. This hasn't stopped Tucson from attempting to increase the size of the bribe (even as city government essentials are shutting down due to budget shortfalls), but the MLB teams aren't biting.

I wish Brad Campeau-Laurion luck in his suit against the Yankees. My advice to any liberty-loving baseball fans in the Bronx is to boycott this state-corporate monster. Unfortunately, the population of "liberty lovers" in the Tri-State area is probably too small to have the desired impact.