Comments on Pro Libertate: Why Isn't Dana Rohrabacher in Prison?

While I tend to agree that Dana and his ilk are qu...

2014-09-10T19:02:12.457-06:00

While I tend to agree that Dana and his ilk are quite foul, I must call BS on the only photo evidence of his neglect of the rental property he occupied.

That photo is of the side of a range that has been pulled out from the wall. A stove/oven combo. What is depicted is the typical mess that runs down the side of the range from normal cooking activities. This mess is rarely cleaned up, even between tenants, due to the difficulty of removing the range in order to get access.

I have quite some experience in this area, having owned both a cleaning business and an appliance repair business. Trash a politician all you want, but every person reading this blog comment will find the same situation should he get up right now and pull his stove out.

Dear Mr. Grigg, Insightful post as always, and may...

2014-06-09T15:32:44.764-06:00

Dear Mr. Grigg,
Insightful post as always, and may I commend you for freeing me from the clutches of the tyrannical cesspool known as modern media. I'm curious if Mr. Rohrabacher will be prosecuted under the NDAA since it's clear that he supported "terrorist" organizations, but I'm thinking not because according to the gubmint terrorism is only acceptable when it's against the "bad guy."
Gil,
It's clear that your are in the clutches of the delusional septic tank called Fox News. Free yourself man because the gubmint counts on this crap to keep sheeple like you dumb and unquestioning. There are a couple of quotes that you might want to mull over.
"If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
-George Orwell
The other quote is something that my grandmother attributed to Mr. Orwell, so I may be paraphrasing.
"If people give up liberty for security they do not deserve to have liberty." Something like that anyway. Think on it because if we don't stand up for ourselves against governmental tyranny than no one will.

50 state governments would be a dramatic improveme...

2014-05-31T23:41:39.957-06:00

50 state governments would be a dramatic improvement over one evil empire

PS: Gil, are you an Israeli? I am guessing this fr...

2014-05-30T20:53:57.380-06:00

PS: Gil, are you an Israeli? I am guessing this from your grammar. If you get to read this question, and if you are, I can give you a list of the false flag operations of your government, including against its own people. Did you know Menachem Begin, your very own Prime Minister, duly elected by the people of Israel, murdered 243 Jews aboard the vessel Patria when he was head of the Haganah? And also 14 Jews among the 96 victims of the King David Hotel bombing? And that Zionist Jews, many of whom later became the leaders of Israel, conspired with the Nazis, beginning in 1933, to persecute the Jews of Germany? (Google "The Transfer Agreement.") All for the greater good of Israel, of course. I'm sure when they elected Begin, and some of the authors of the Transfer Agreement, the Jews of Israel had no idea about any of it. Let me know if my guess is correct?

Best wishes,
Lemuel.

Mr. Grigg,
I am making an educated guess here, but I believe from things I have heard that the "unpublished earthshattering revelations" of Edward Snowden, which we keep hearing are soon to be released, concern the truth about who planned 9-11. You know my views on that. I have heard also that the bombshell is being held in reserve until closer to the election, so that the Republican Party will be utterly demoralized and demolished thereby. I hope it does in fact get released, and no last-minute behind-the-scenes deal gets cut, as the truth will put an end to this ridiculous "War On Terror" and "Homeland Security" state we suffer under, and which Gil seems to subscribe to. One wonders though, how much money might be paid out by the authors of 9-11, or how many MORE murders they might be prepared to commit, to keep the truth suppressed. Time will tell.

- Lemuel

I was sure this topic was wrung dry already, but G...

2014-05-30T18:47:09.969-06:00

I was sure this topic was wrung dry already, but Gil seems to think not.

Mr. Grigg, I'm with you.

Gil, you are seriously deluded by the propaganda of those who want to control your mind and the minds of 310 million citizens of this country.

There is no space here to list them - it would take pages upon pages - but almost every terrorist action of the past 70 years has been staged and/or assisted in its execution by governmental entities. It goes back even further. Such things as the sinking of the Lusitania, and the deaths of its 1200+ passengers, which drew America into WWI, was staged by the US and British governments. The latest was the plot by the Turkish government to rain missiles on a Turkish shrine inside Syria, and blame it on Syria, to justify Turkey attacking Syria. I could go on and on for hours listing these false flag operations.

Ordinary people like you, me, and 99% of the people who read this blog, want only to live our lives in peace, to have the comforts of home, to raise our families, and to be left alone to love those whom we find to be worthy of our respect and affection.

But there is a segment of the population suffering from a mental illness called psychopathy, in which they have no emotions, feel no empathy for the suffering of others - none - and whose only satisfaction comes from exercising power over others. These people are also usually exceptionally intelligent, and are experts at mimicking real emotions in order to better control others.

These are the people who ALWAYS rise to the top, and control organizations of all types, and get normal other people to do their bidding and to kill each other in pursuit of the agenda of the psychopaths. Some of them are Islamic mullahs, and some of them are US politicians. Also corporate CEOs, cardinals of the Church, oligarchs, bankers, and almost anything else you can name.

You, Gil, are just another victim of these crazies.

Realize this before you become a DEAD victim of the psychopaths, and give up your programmed hatreds of other people who are just like you, unlike the emotionless psychopaths who control us all. Only this insight and understanding can liberate you from this nonsense which you spew forth involuntarily, and with painful emotions, like a meal of rotten shellfish.

Good luck in your further researches.

- Lemuel

The way you look at terr-, er, freedom fighters is...

2014-05-30T02:25:01.161-06:00

The way you look at terr-, er, freedom fighters is the way a moderate Muslim would look at extremist Muslim groups. Moderate Muslims (it is hoped) frown upon the actions of extremists but nonetheless feel the world would be better off if the whole world is Muslim.

The world is in no danger of falling under the reign of the Crescent. The Global Caliphate is a mirage that inspires the deluded, a chimera that troubles the sleep of the ill-informed, and a profitable theme for opportunists like Glenn Beck.

Likewise I'm sure you'd be happy if terr-, er, freedom fighters were consistently good at holding back U.S. troops to the point they are just stuck in a plain quagmire.

Actually, I would be ecstatic if we were to extricate U.S. military personnel from foreign engagements in which they shouldn't have been involved in the first place.

Since you're obviously of the opinion that Islam poses an existential threat to us, answer this question: Are you at all troubled by the fact that Americans killed and died in Iraq to install a Shariah-compliant constitution on what had been a largely secular society?

Suppose this Dana Rohrabacher was killed because freedom fighters rigged his car to up to explode upon him starting the ignition? You'd feel a sense justice done?

Given Congressman Rohrabacher's lengthy history of promoting Islamic terrorism, if he were to be killed by Islamic terrorists this would be a case of a man literally being hoist by his own petard.

Suppose the freedom fighter get so successful that they destabilise the U.S. Federal Government to the point where the Union dissipates into fifty separate nation-states?

What quantum-separated dimension in the multiverse do you inhabit in which Muslims (I would assume you're referring to them) have sufficient influence to bring about that condition?

Here's something you should consider:

If the nearly all-powerful forces of the incipient Global Caliphate are as powerful as you perceive them to be, wouldn't it be wiser for the unitary state to break up, in order to avoid handing the enemy a monolithic target that can be conquered with a single strike?

Many people believe Barack Obama to be a covert Muslim usurper seeking to conquer the United States from within. That task would be made much more difficult if power were decentralized. Fifty robust constitutional republics -- or even a half-dozen regional governments in a loose confederation -- would be much more difficult to assimilate into an American Caliphate.

So then who is making the decision on what a "...

2014-05-30T02:15:04.642-06:00

So then who is making the decision on what a "terrorist" is? What exactly is a "terrorist" anyway? If it is someone engaging in violence against innocents for intimidation purposes, then how is Obama not a terrorist?

Will this terrorist list be as exhaustively researched as the drone strike Obama used on a 16 year old us citizen?

Epic smack down!

2014-05-30T02:11:57.910-06:00

Epic smack down!

The way you look at terr-, er, freedom fighters is...

2014-05-30T01:43:43.873-06:00

Mr. Grigg, Hear, hear. Opposing the crimes of th...

2014-05-29T16:06:17.705-06:00

Mr. Grigg,

Hear, hear.

Opposing the crimes of the oligarchs and their armed psychopathic enforcers, who presume to be entitled to rule America, is NOT opposing the long-suffering Americans who are ruled by them, or denigrating the aspirations of the public for America to be a shining city on a hill. Americans are a fine people.

In the same way, opposing the war crimes of the Zionist entity at the Eastern end of the Mediterranean, is NOT being hateful towards Jews, just because the psychopathic political rulers of the Zionist entity have defined their country as a Jewish state. Jews are also a fine people.

In fact, it is a kindness and a blessing to the nation to criticize the crimes of the few who presume to speak and act for the many. Until the public knows what crimes are being committed in their name, they will be baffled at the hatred directed against their country in the rest of the world.

Only those selfless souls who care and want to realize the vision of a Great Society will speak out against those actions which trample that vision in the mud and smear its face with dung. Those who do NOT care will go silently about their own business.

So, Bravo! Thank you for preaching your vision to the world of the ignorant and misled masses. Live long and prosper.
- LG

If you were an American worthy of the title, you w...

2014-05-29T11:17:32.565-06:00

If you were an American worthy of the title, you would recognize that hating those who presume to rule us, and abominating the crimes they commit, is hardly the same thing as wishing ill on our country.

A terrorist is anybody who employs violence or the threat thereof against innocent people in order to achieve political ends. That definition is uniform and depends on actions, not identity.

Neither al-Qaeda nor the US government has the privilege of defining that term. The US government, by its actions, has established itself as a terrorist organization that is several orders of magnitude deadlier than its occasional subcontractor, al-Qaeda.

Given your attitude toward dissent and partisan warfare, it's reasonable to believe that during the War for Independence you would have been among those demanding that Washington be "hung, drawn, and quartered."

2014-05-29T11:13:44.325-06:00

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Wow, the anti-Americanism is so thick you can cut ...

2014-05-29T10:57:50.031-06:00

Wow, the anti-Americanism is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Of course the U.S. gets to define what a terrorist is to them not what Al Qaeda thinks should be a terrorist to the U.S.

On the other hand, you attack the U.S. and then argue your reasons are sound therefore you don't have to deal with retaliation? Puh-lease! Had the War of Independence failed then George Washington would be remembered as one of the last people to be hung, drawn and quartered.

Mr. Grigg -- On the other hand, after re-reading y...

2014-05-28T23:14:39.083-06:00

Mr. Grigg -- On the other hand, after re-reading your essay, if the intent is to expose the hypocrisy of the American Government, well, that is as plain for all the world to see as a wart on a supermodel's nose. After this last business in the Ukraine, and all the foul gas emitted by Kerry and Obama on the subject, the entire world stands astonished at the immense brass balls on these arrogant dickheads. Only the Greek Chorus of the governmental whores of Europe, who count on the US to finance their post-political retirements, and the servile lapdog media, brown-noses one and all, have pretended to agree with the breathtaking hypocrisy of Washington. The doublespeak and lies of the Ukraine episode, the crowning achievement in human pursuit of hypocrisy, are so blatant, so obvious, and so immense, it makes Dana Rohrabacher look like a choirboy by comparison.

- LG

What is interesting is the Wikipedia article on Ro...

2014-05-28T22:46:11.451-06:00

What is interesting is the Wikipedia article on Rohrbacher, containing his voting record. An amazing catalog of inconsistency. Yes-No-Yes-No-Yes-No on very similar issues. Perhaps his governing dictum is "Expediency"? Or perhaps, "Mental Confusion"?Likewise interesting is that the electorate of various districts he has run in have seen fit to return him to office every 2 years since 1988, usually with over 60% of the vote.

He seems (in public at least) affable, personable, and good-looking, which is all it takes in America to get elected. Reminds me of many years ago, when the mayor of Hoboken, NJ was returned to office while serving time in jail.

Truly, we get the government we deserve. The ingrained stupidity of the American boobeoisie is something only a brilliant mathematical genius, who deals in concepts of infinity, could understand.

On a positive note, in the 3/6/2014 vote to condemn Russia for its "invasion" of Crimea, (402 in favor, 7 against,) Rohrbacher abstained, saying:

"Starting with our own American Revolution, groups of people have declared themselves, rightfully, to be under a different government or a government of their choosing. People forget that’s what our Declaration of Independence is all about." He also said, "The sanctions are an abomination of hypocrisy."

So, Mr. Grigg, he may be a total slimeball, like almost every other denizen of our Gubmint, but sometimes he says or does the right thing. How much better can one realistically expect of one of the psychopaths of limited intellect, unlimited arrogance, and nonexistent morals, lording it over us up on Capitol Hill?

-LG

PS: On Afganistan, he said: "If the Taliban is going to be defeated, it's got to be by the Afghan people themselves, not by sending more U.S. troops... The centralized system of government foisted upon the Afghan people is not going to hold after we leave... Karzai’s regime is corrupt and non-representative of Afghanistan’s tribal culture. This failed strategy is not worth one more drop of American blood. Under the current strategy, our military presence alienates more Afghans that it pacifies. So if you’re going to pull the plug, then we need to get the hell out now.”

Seems like this man sometimes has a flash or two of lucid insight. Maybe that's why his constituents keep voting for him? - LG

"Furthermore terrorists have the least protec...

2014-05-28T19:00:24.689-06:00

"Furthermore terrorists have the least protection whatsoever as they subscribe to no nation, have no uniform or open symbol of identification, hide as civilians, etc."

So, the Iraqis fighting to expel an invader from their nation were terrorists?
How about the French Resistance or the Eastern European Partisans? Terrorists or not? They hid as civilians. They did not wear uniforms.
If the Chinese invaded the US at the behest of our government, would you be a terrorist if you kill a few Chinese privates who are guarding a checkpoint?
The current definition of "terrorist" is "Anyone the United States government does not like."

You haven't addressed the gravamen of my argum...

2014-05-28T16:46:43.613-06:00

You haven't addressed the gravamen of my argument above -- namely, that the same ruling elite that wants to imprison or execute anybody accused supporting terrorists has been involved for decades in the cultivation of terrorism -- and continues to do so today.

Shouldn't Dana Rohrabacher (among others) be subject to indefinite detention or a drone strike?

http://rt.com/news/161820-us-trains-syrian-rebels/

There IS a "hardcore definition" of how ...

2014-05-28T16:26:07.124-06:00

There IS a "hardcore definition" of how the US Government can declare war, and that definition isn't altered by the persistent refusal of the government to follow it, any more than wedding vows are altered by the infidelity of an adulterous spouse.

You assume that a "terrorist" is anyone thus described by the Regime in Washington. That's a transliteration of the approach used by Lenin and the Cheka, which puts you in interesting company.

When US military personnel participate in aggressive and unjustified wars (such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan), they really shouldn't be surprised to encounter partisan resistance, which is emphatically not the same thing as terrorism. The solution to that predicament is to avoid aggressive wars.

How are indiscriminate drone attacks on a supposedly allied country like Pakistan anything other than state terrorism? Under the principles you apply, it would be morally defensible for Pakistani authorities to kidnap, torture, or execute anybody in the supply chain involved in manufacturing Predator or Reaper drones.

Yeah right, there's no hardcore definition as ...

2014-05-28T11:05:45.787-06:00

Yeah right, there's no hardcore definition as to how the U.S. Government can declare a war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

On the other hand, there's no differentiation between an active soldier who carries a gun and grenades versus a soldier who is in the background in supplies.

Furthermore terrorists have the least protection whatsoever as they subscribe to no nation, have no uniform or open symbol of identification, hide as civilians, etc.

https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/POW.HTM

It sounds as though you want the U.S. army to be forever walking on eggshells while terrorists can do as they please until the U.S. loses or better the U.S. Government disintegrates and the supposed golden era of Libertarianism arises.

The U.S. government hasn't declared war since ...

2014-05-28T01:11:28.363-06:00

The U.S. government hasn't declared war since December 1941, so we're not in "wartime" in constitutional or legal terms.

Terrorist organizations that are not appendages of political governments are non-state actors that should be treated as criminal syndicates. An individual who adheres to a terrorist group is part of a criminal conspiracy and should be prosecuted through the criminal justice system.

The 2012 NDAA expands the concept of "enemy combatant" to include people who -- unlike Dana Rohrabacher -- have done nothing to offer material support for terrorist organizations of any kind.

Um yeah being an enemy combatant is totally differ...

2014-05-28T00:55:48.830-06:00

Um yeah being an enemy combatant is totally different from being a criminal. You don't switch sides then expect a fair trial in wartime. Get real!

If China, Russia, or Outer Bumfreakistan invaded t...

2014-05-27T06:20:51.419-06:00

If China, Russia, or Outer Bumfreakistan invaded the US (to effect regime change, defend civil rights, insure a supply of maple syrup) Dana and his buddies would in all probability end up as collaborators and Quislings. Their type always does.

(Yes, I know that no other nation on the Earth has the naval capacity to land any troops on CONUS.)

notice anything wrong with the "R-CA" &...

2014-05-27T05:53:41.972-06:00

notice anything wrong with the
"R-CA" "D-NY" convention?