Comments on Pro Libertate: A Crime of Cowardice: The Unjust Imprisonment of Scott Molen

When the foreman of the jury says that "there...

2014-07-20T21:53:04.245-06:00

When the foreman of the jury says that "there wasn't a single shred of evidence" to justify Molen's conviction, an injustice has been done.

This is not a "murky" or ambiguous matter, irrespective of Molen's admitted criminal background or the unspecified and unproven allegations flung around by people who insist on anonymity.

The fact that you choose to defend this particular case makes me question your character. The greater good here is to first protect CHILDREN.

The more heinous the alleged offense, the more diligent we must be in forcing the state to prove the defendant's guilt. My responsibility as both a parent and citizen is to protect my children from the state; this means refusing to succumb to the familiar group psychosis in which reason falls prey to sentimental invocation of THE CHILDREN, and accusations are considered as good as proof.

The anonymous people above (none of whom I have ev...

2014-07-20T21:20:08.479-06:00

The anonymous people above (none of whom I have ever met or spoken to) are telling the truth about Scott's previous behavior. He has previously been accused of molesting at least two other girls from entirely different families who also do not live anywhere near the victim in this case and have never met her or her family! In the 1980s the 1st victim wanted to come forward and testify against Scott at the time she heard there was a 2nd victim. Unfortunately, her parent chose to keep it under wraps and didn't allow her to come forward or testify for the 2nd victim. I don't know if the 2nd victim continued prosecution or not. Had the 1st victim been allowed to testify by her parent, perhaps his 3rd victim would have been spared this abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if the count was more than three victims by now, but those are the accusations I do know of, and one comes from a source that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt would not lie. Scott has been to prison/jail more than a few times in his past before he met Connie. He has also lived in New Mexico. You might want to check the prison rolls for Santa Fe and Carlsbad in 1980. Some people post "anonymously" because they risk causing family rifts by putting their names out there. It does not mean they are lying. You have a lot of nerve to assume that an anonymous poster is lying. You definitely do not look good defending a pedophile or should I say "alleged" pedophile so you can feel better?

You're fighting over Scott Molen's "unjust" trial is not a position of respect. This is a man with a criminal background who has been in both jail and prison (in incidences not related to pedophilia) and has been accused of pedophilia by "at least" three different children. Regardless of how you think the justice system should work, there are certainly cases that are far less murky that you could spend your time trying to defend. Trust me, this is not the case you want to be defending. The fact that you choose to defend this particular case makes me question your character. The greater good here is to first protect CHILDREN. The justice system comes second. Find yourself a case worthy of defending! To Heather and her family: I am so sorry for what you have gone through. I wish that the 1st victim's parent had not required her to remain silent. Your niece and her family are amazing and courageous. You did not deserve to have this happen in your lives. Your actions will save other children from the same fate. You can be proud that you are strong individuals who stood up for what is right and protected society and particularly children. You have my deepest respect!

Where do people belong that molest little children...

2012-09-28T14:10:20.847-06:00

Where do people belong that molest little children? In prison.

People who are proven to have committed such crimes belong in prison. According to the Jury Foreman, the case against Scott Molen wasn't proven.

Investigate, you will soon learn the truth, but you must first straighten out the lies that are in this blog. You cant investigate the truth with lies.

Itemize and rebut the "lies" you claim to have found in the essay above. Since you appear to be a stranger to rational thinking and principled skepticism, I should point out that someone who examines the evidence and draws a different conclusion than yours isn't "lying."

Is Mr. McKay a liar because, after examining the case in detail, he concluded -- and tardily admitted -- that the prosecution's evidence against Molen was inadequate to support a conviction? Was this true of the other three jurors who held out for the same reason, until McKay persuaded them to vote guilty?

In fact, McKay had made a liar of himself by voting for a verdict he didn't find plausible, and then browbeating three other jurors into doing so. He needs to make restitution, and admitting what he did is a good down-payment.

Here's one other thing to consider, assuming -- against the abundant evidence provided by our exchange -- that you have sufficient character to examine your conclusions honestly:

Scott Molen, as you point out, is in prison. He could have qualified for early release if he would have admitted to the charge against him, which he has never done in spite of the fact that it would cost him nothing.

McKay's admission was made against interest; the same is true of Molen's insistence that he was wrongly convicted. Testimony against interest is considered to be particularly compelling, at least in legal proceedings that occur within the reality-based community.

To me it seems clear, by a preponderance of evidence, that if he were guilty, he would probably be a free man right now. You are entirely free to draw a different conclusion, and I won't cast aspersions on your character for doing so. It would be commendably adult of you to reciprocate.

Where do people belong that molest little children...

2012-09-28T10:10:18.588-06:00

Where do people belong that molest little children? In prison.
That is exactly where Scott belongs. He is in the right place.
Investigate, you will soon learn the truth, but you must first straighten out the lies that are in this blog. You cant investigate the truth with lies.

There was ONE man that stated that he thought ther...

2012-09-24T10:15:12.964-06:00

There was ONE man that stated that he thought there was reasonable doubt for this conviction.

You're not reading carefully, so let me underscore one of several key facts you either can't see or are choosing to ignore.

According to McKay: "I remember ... we had gone I think several hours in deliberation and a few of us were dug in [on behalf of acquittal] and the guilty people were adamant that he was guilty ... I was thinking, well, man, eight other people say that he's guilty so where am I, what am I missing here?"

One unpersuaded panelist is sufficient to hang a jury. In this case, there were at least four people -- not one -- who were "dug in" on behalf of acquittal.

By any rational and unprejudiced reading, that's abundant reasonable doubt -- especially in light of the fact that the jury foreman, an engineer trained to assess date skeptically and dispassionately, tardily admitted that the state hadn't made its case against Molen.

That the family has been traumatized by this is obvious. That the girl was victimized by someone appears highly probable. That Scott Molen may have been the perpetrator is a possibility. That his conviction was unjust, however, is a certainty.

The more grievous the crime, the greater our responsibility to compel the state to prove the guilt of the accused. As the jury foreman admitted, in testimony against his own interest, that didn't happen here. Of particular interest is the culpable misconduct on the part of the prosecutor.

Are you familiar with the Dodge murder case in Idaho Falls, in which police extracted a false "confession" from the young man now serving a life sentence for a murder he didn't commit? --

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dateline/48786251#48786251

The mother of that murdered girl is now working to free that innocently convicted man. Her daughter was sexually violated, and murdered -- which is the most horrible thing I can imagine. She is seeking to free the man convicted of that crime because that was a miscarriage of justice. She had sufficient character to suppress her desire for vengeance and to seek actual justice without fear or favor. Go thou, and do likewise.

There was ONE man that stated that he thought ther...

2012-09-24T09:30:28.139-06:00

There was ONE man that stated that he thought there was reasonable doubt for this conviction.
Scott was convicted, because he is guilty.
Do you have any idea what this case has done to the family involved. And you honestly think that ANY of them would suffer CONTINUALLY for this long, over something that never happened?
This family was a very tight nit family, that was ripped apart, and the surviving members are STILL trying to get through this. This isnt something that just goes away. Not to mention the little girl that still isnt sure of who she is, because of the innocence that Scott has stolen from her.
I believe this case is solid, and I believe that the truth will prevail. As it has over and over.
One piece that you are missing as well, is that Scott has admitted to this crime. That is one crucial piece that you all keep leaving out.
The information that you have written about this case in this blog is incorrect. So when you "investigate" maybe you should get the correct information so it can be correctly investigated!

Here's what I'll do: I'm going to rev...

2012-09-21T20:46:49.932-06:00

Here's what I'll do:

I'm going to revisit this case in a future essay. When I do so I'll provide a link to an archive of relevant documents -- including not just the background check to which you refer, but also the material that led the jury foreman to conclude that Molen had been unjustly convicted.

I must ask: Given that Molen is already in prison, why are you so insistent that the material from the "background check" be made public? Wouldn't this be gratuitous, since he's already been imprisoned?

Are you worried that the case presented against him was weak, and that as a result he might somehow be given a new trial? I would welcome this development, as would Mr. Molen. You should as well, if the case against him was as airtight as you appear to believe.

Here's a question you really should answer: If, as the jury foreman tardily admitted, there was abundant reasonable doubt regarding Scott Molen's guilt, wasn't the jury morally and legally obligated to acquit him?

Mr Grigg, Where is that back ground check on Mr M...

2012-09-21T20:06:40.663-06:00

Mr Grigg,
Where is that back ground check on Mr Michael Scott Molen. Please provide for all to see.

Connie was not allowed at all in the court room th...

2012-09-21T15:29:10.364-06:00

Connie was not allowed at all in the court room through this whole trial so she did not hear or see what was going on that week so it was only hear say.

Ken McKay, the foreman of the jury that convicted Scott, was in the courtroom, and after examining every detail of the prosecution's case came to the conclusion that "there wasn't a single shred of evidence" to support the charges against Scott Molen.

Connie wasn't in the courtroom, but as I noted above she did collect a huge volume of documentation about the case, which I reviewed very carefully before writing this essay. A few weeks ago one of Scott Molen's detractors supplied me with additional information, which I am reviewing as well.

If reasonable doubt exists, it is the moral and legal duty of a jury to acquit the accused. This is true even -- no, especially -- when the defendant stands accused of genuinely hideous crimes, such as child sexual abuse.

This isn't "bull crap"; it's called "due process."

As somebody who was a genuinely disinterested observer who has read the record, I found abundant ground for reasonable doubt in this case -- as did the jury foreman, who for some reason didn't act on that doubt until a year after the verdict had been rendered.

I have read it all now.Take it from someone that w...

2012-09-21T15:08:18.155-06:00

I have read it all now.Take it from someone that was there,he is not an innocent man in no means.Please before reading all this bull crap look at his record he has molested before this.His step grandaughter loved him so much and to be hurt and lied to through all of this and she could not understand why her grandma believed him over her it was devastating for her.Connie was not allowed at all in the court room through this whole trial so she did not hear or see what was going on that week so it was only hear say.I feel bad for Connie to live her last few years on earth fighting for a man that repeatedly lied to her.But now she can see the real truth and she is standing next to her granddaughter not him !!!

I've noticed an interesting pattern here: Scot...

2012-08-25T23:37:07.221-06:00

I've noticed an interesting pattern here: Scott's defenders are open, candid, and willing to go on record; those who insist that they "know" he is guilty demand anonymity and cling to the shadows, while making extravagant claims of privileged knowledge.

By all means, send me the background check -- WNGrigg[at]msn[dot]com. I would be very eager to follow up on it.

I know that Scott is guilty of this crime and so d...

2012-08-25T23:31:47.448-06:00

I know that Scott is guilty of this crime and so do A LOT of other people.
Scott has admitted to this crime to several people, blaming the victim.
If you do a back ground check on Scott you will find out a lot about him that is very alarming.
Scotts legal name is Michael Scott Molen, he grew up in Utah, and that is where he has committed most of his crimes, including another accusation of molesting a 5 year old girl.
If you are not willing to do the back ground check yourself I would be more then happy to post it.

I am a friend of Connie, Scotts wife, and I am sor...

2012-07-03T15:35:59.506-06:00

I am a friend of Connie, Scotts wife, and I am sorry to say, Connie died last year, his one true friend, the one that stood by him always, believed in him and wanted to see justice done .. he lost her. Now he is truely alone.

There's nothing quite as convincing as an anon...

2012-05-14T22:15:14.922-06:00

There's nothing quite as convincing as an anonymous accusation based on purported facts nobody has ever seen.

Unfortunately, he is very likely guilty. There ar...

2012-05-14T22:11:10.114-06:00

Unfortunately, he is very likely guilty. There are those who know that Scott has done this before.

Until the public is aware that this could be your ...

2009-11-28T17:23:36.009-07:00

Until the public is aware that this could be your loved ones story, the D.A. will continue to win!! My husband and father of our 2 wonderful daughters was accused of lewd acts and got 25 to life. He said/ she said, no proof just rough housing and throwing kids in a public pool.Our story is as tragic as the Molens, we too have our faith that sustains us and we believe justice will prevail. www.truthcafe.net
, to learn more about us the Vanderbergs. Sincerely, Teri Vanderberg

Jurys report to the courthouse, have lunch and hot...

2009-11-16T22:13:27.876-07:00

Jurys report to the courthouse, have lunch and hotels paid for by the County and are forced to serve by the State BUT Jurys do NOT work for the states or the courts. The USA has far to many wrongful convictions (many 14 to 16 y/olds!)for this to continue.
Each potential jury must be reminded that they have a spine and we as public need not be so scared of the criminal element that we let this continue.

Heather, what can you provide by way of tangible, ...

2009-10-04T20:27:37.468-06:00

Heather, what can you provide by way of tangible, objective evidence to substantiate your supposed knowledge of Scott Molen's purported crimes?

The foreman of the jury that convicted him admits that there wasn't so much as a "shred" of evidence to support the accusation. Accusations themselves, however grievous, are not self-substantiating.

If you're correct, Molen is in prison, and since he insists that he's innocent -- and thus won't allocute to the crime -- he won't be paroled any time soon. If he's innocent of the crime, he doesn't belong there.

In either case, I have to ask: Why do you feel like you're being torn apart by Connie's efforts to exonerate Scott? Have you invested yourself in an assumption of guilt that won't withstand rational scrutiny, as the jury foreman (who examined the irrelevant material the prosecution called "evidence") has admitted?

Connie and I and other critics of the prosecution believe that the truth should be pried out, wherever it leads. What are you afraid of, and why?

This is the step daughter of Scott Molen. I know t...

2009-10-04T19:37:49.514-06:00

This is the step daughter of Scott Molen. I know that this man had done the crime in which he is serving time for! This man was horribly abusive physically, verbally, and emotionally. My mother Connie Molen met this man while he was serving time in prison. When his time was done she moved him into our home with four teenage girls! What was she thinking? Now my gorgeous sweet little niece has suffered the consequenses of having this man in our lives. Mom! Get over it and stop tearing us apart! You are both sick individuals! We need a cleaner society with good citizens, not scum bags like this!

Will, Here's believing that our Master will n...

2009-09-04T11:30:56.480-06:00

Will,

Here's believing that our Master will not leave you, or your family, unprovided for, nor undefended in your time of trial.

Ced Crawley

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2009-09-03T00:51:41.047-06:00

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thank you

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2009-09-03T00:49:31.567-06:00

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I want to thank all of you who have expressed your...

2009-09-02T21:08:39.961-06:00

I want to thank all of you who have expressed your concern and offered up prayers on our behalf. Even though Scott and I have lost almost everything including our home, some of our family and our freedom we have not lost our faith nor our drive to help others who have been railroaded by a very corrupt system. We are learning and growing by leaps and bounds. We have made some lifelong friends through all of this and know that God is good. He is holding us in the palm of his hand. We won't be defeated. And on a lighter note, as they say "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger"!...This is not to say we are not angry and that we don't cry. Oh yes, we are outraged but God willing we will turn that outrage into a positive movement. Again, thank you for your prayers. Connie Molen

To Connie: Having read your comments my heart goes...

2009-08-27T20:57:50.497-06:00

To Connie:
Having read your comments my heart goes out to you. I will remember to keep you in my prayers that Christ might surround both you and your children. The Lord cares deeply for the widowed and the orphaned.- which is essentially what you and your family have become. He will not allow you to suffer at the evil hands of some ghoulish dyke cop.
Although probably hard to do - you might consider leaving the state.
Again my family will be praying for your protection as well as that of your unjustly imprisoned husband.

There is an old saying that a grand jury will indi...

2009-08-26T18:22:39.508-06:00

There is an old saying that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, alluding to the relative ease with which prosecutors obtain indictments due to the one-sidedeness of the proceedings in favor of the prosecution. I think it is clear at this point, with a prison population approaching 2.5 million people and a public that for the most part wouldn't question the government even as much as McKay, that the cliche now pertains to a trial jury in any criminal case. They would have convict the ham sandwich even if there were no sign of ham.