Comments on Pro Libertate: Support Your Local Police (State)?!?

i guess our nation needs more salt, then! :-)...(a...

2006-08-20T17:06:00.000-06:00

i guess our nation needs more salt, then! :-)

...(and we also need more cowbell!)

still not sure if it was the baker who got his hea...

2006-08-20T16:52:00.000-06:00

still not sure if it was the baker who got his head lopped off or the other guy...or was it hung? see what i mean! :-)

Rick, it was the baker who lost his noggin. Joseph interpreted his dream and that was the prophetic result.

Will, I've seen some of what some of the other commenters have said as well, particularly truth addict's bit about "Where are you coming from?" and "Do you have any weapons" "Can I search your car?" et al. It's all indicative of more than being merely revenue generators for broke, busted local governments, which is bad enough mind you, but that they're also suspecting you have committed a crime(s) for simply asserting your constitutional rights. Such as when one says "No, you may not." to a request to search ones vehicle when the coppers in question possess no search warrant, or when one pleads the fifth, and so on.

I think you've made the case quite succinctly that local law enforcement is now one of the myriad of tentacles that make up the fed octapus.

hey,that was me with the deleted comment. i typed...

2006-08-20T16:16:00.000-06:00

hey,

that was me with the deleted comment. i typed something wrong and didn't want to quote the bible incorrectly. still not sure if it was the baker who got his head lopped off or the other guy...or was it hung? see what i mean! :-)

Dear Sgt. Marvin --God bless you, sir! It's good t...

2006-08-20T14:26:00.000-06:00

Dear Sgt. Marvin --

God bless you, sir! It's good to know that you'll be on our side when things go pear-shaped.

Truth Addict, your story is horrifying an all too familiar. A few weeks ago I received a little grief for writing that Canada, not the USA, is the freest country in the hemisphere. Your story illustrates my point quite handily, alas.

You should also know that where the 9-11 Truth Movement is concerned, I'm thoroughly agnostic about the official story and very interested in learning more. I know that Bill's perspective is similar to mine.

And I'd sure like to know what was in the deleted comment....

Will, Glad to have your blog back. I was sorely d...

2006-08-20T13:50:00.000-06:00

Will,

Glad to have your blog back. I was sorely disappointed with the discontinuation of your blog with The New American. When I first began reading it I was actually surprised that they were allowing you to publish your unvarnished opinion outside the editorial pages. Perhaps they felt you were going "rogue" and didn't want to associate your views with the official tone that is maintained throughout TNA. I've actually become a little disenchanted with TNA ever since William Jasper flamed the 9/11 truth movement citing the Popular Mechanics straw man article headed up by none other than Micheal Chertoff's cousin.

Anyway, the real reason for my comment is to share with you an experience that my good friend had about a month ago with Iowa's finest while traveling back from Colorado to Indiana on I-80. Interestingly I had just finished reading your blog "Da Gangsters of Dallas County" about a week before he shared his story with me. For now apparent reason my friend, along with his twin brother (a missionary and pastor) and his 8 year old daughter, were stopped. The officer then had his brother get out of the car and sit in the patrol car while the officer then interrogated my friend. He asked questions like "where are you coming from?", "why were you there"?, "who did you stay with"?, "where do they live"?, etc. He even questioned him about whose mountain bikes those were on the trunk of his car and why he had a little girls bike, which should have been obvious. He then asked if my friend if he had any weapons in his car. Fortunately he had the foresight to tell his daughter not to say anything if the officer asked or else he could go to jail because he happened to be carrying his newly purchased firearm to protect his daughter on the trip. After the officer was done interrogating my friend he then went back to the squad car and interrogated his brother, in an apparent attempt to trip up their stories. Finally he let them go. My friend is also a white, 30 year old, middle class man, so apparently they've taken the approach that anybody could be a terrorist now, not just middle easterners.

On side note, my uncle is the most veteran cop in my community. He's one of those neighborhood cops that uses discretion and doesn't look for any reason to book you and cook you unless you're doing something extremely illegal. He sees the "Semper Fi" mentality of the younger recruits and doesn't like it. Consequently the other officers can't wait for him to retire in a few years. What happens when the ones like him are gone?

it hit me while half asleep. joseph, in the bible ...

2006-08-20T13:27:00.000-06:00

it hit me while half asleep. joseph, in the bible did something similar, by helping out the baker (i think it was the baker). now God was behind it, but his "making a friend" saved an entire nation of people.

2006-08-20T13:19:00.000-06:00

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Mr. Grigg,In agreement with Rick, this is bad. Th...

2006-08-20T11:39:00.000-06:00

Mr. Grigg,

In agreement with Rick, this is bad. This is more than bad though, this is atrocious. I have personally been witness to fellow officers "justifying" a traffic stop in order to create city revenue through cites, and further, to "talk their way" into a vehicle with the ultimate goal of vehicle and or property seizure.

I will not get very in depth into this, as it makes my stomach hurt just admitting the state that our local Police and Sheriff's departments are in. I will however say, proudly, that I will wholeheartedly be one of the few to turn his back on the regime in defense of my fellow, innocent, freedom loving citizens. Regrettabley, I cannot say that every officer I know would or will do the same when everything finally goes sideways..........

On a final note, "setting the conditions" is definitely a good thing, and shoule be pursued with energy and integrity.

(From Will) Rick -- I always enjoy and appreciate ...

2006-08-20T08:12:00.000-06:00

(From Will) Rick -- I always enjoy and appreciate your comments -- and it's great that the public now gets to benefit from your wit and wisdom.

Anent the subject of making friends of "God and Mammon" -- or "setting the conditions" by cultivating friends among the enforcers:

When I was in Cairo back in '94 to cover the UN population conference, I took that approach with the UN security guards, cultivating two or three friends among them (a large guy from Jamaica became a good friend). When I was seized by the three largest UN goons, had my passport taken, and held at gunpoint on the last day of the conference, I was really glad that I had done so....

So, I can see your point!

will,this is bad. i once asked a well-known lawye...

2006-08-19T22:33:00.000-06:00

will,

this is bad. i once asked a well-known lawyer--a conostitutionalist--how judges can throw people in jail for refusing to testify. i know about that one SC decision saying basically, "the 5th only protects the accused". i asked him well wouldn't the 9th protect a person? i mean, "just because it's not enumerated here in the constitution does not mean that it's not a right, and those rights belong to the people." what he said hurt. "judges will protect the system." funny how we have a "right to remain silent", but it does not always apply. i wonder how prosecutors and judges have a clear conscience when they do this? i mean...talk about a reprobate mind?!

there are some good police out there...for now. the york county sheriff's dept helped me PCS from germany when i ran into the vehicle reg bureaucracy which demanded that i "prove a negative". if not for them, and their super-fast response (w/i 12 hours), i would not have been able to leave germany. (man that event still ticks me off). i actually missed my final out, but God, in His infinite wisdom planned my plane flight two days after my final out so i actually got to leave...with no days to spare!

about the traffic stop. kenneth royce in, "you and the police" tells of a certain police trick to concoct probable cause. a dog handler will show up and walk towards your vehicle. being a dog handler, he probably has some sontrabadn in his pocket, or at least the scent of it. as he approaches your vehicle he will touch the trunk of your car. YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT SEE THIS!!! when the dog dogs a sweep...bingo! the dog will hit. you've just been set up and don't even know how. now, some officer will touch your vehicle with their finger prints to prove, if later need be, that they were indeed at the traffic stop. while taking my sister out to eat, i got pulled over by a cop (i made an illegal turn and didn't know it). as she approached my car, i saw her touch the trunk of my car with two fingers of her right hand in my side view mirror. she only gave me a warning. i was gonna ask if her fingers had any "scents" on them, but decided it was best not to do so. i then told my sister what the officer had done and then showed her where she had touched my car. i later wiped the area clean.

how the feds reached and claimed ownership of that car is beyond belief. it reminds me of the case(as told by vin S) where a guy had committted a state (NV) crime, but the feds claimed it was a federal crime because in the commission of this crime, he made a phone call, and get this, "since the call was routed through CA, then it was a federal matter because it the phone call 'crossed state lines'". where do these folks come up with this logic?! thank heavens no one lives on the sun or we'd all be subject to its juridiction for using their light!

lastly, we may already be in the police state. we have all the parts, though they may not yet be all assembled. i think there may be a missing link some where--somebody, someone, or some group, that will be required to pull it off--enforce it. i'm not sure if the military will by into it. the folks at the top will, i'm sure, but i'm not sure if the rank and file will support it--enforce it. BUT!! with our military's lack of a deep knowledge of our constitution, it may not matter.

so...like you say, buy gold, silver, and lead. and like i always say, "get it while it's still legal." and pay cash for it!

oh! and support your local police state? in a way i say yes. hear me out. "make friends of God and mammon." i'm not saying support illegal practices, but what i'm saying is while things are 'calm', if possible, contributing to your police force financing might get you preferential treatment down the road. think of it as like joining your college's alumni association. will you ever go back to the school? probably not. but you may run into an alumni down the road who may help you and get you a job or out of a jam. in the army it's called..."setting the conditions."