Comments on Pro Libertate: "Gun Violence": The "National Conversation" We Won't Have

Ok, I finished the "Manifesto" and sugge...

2013-02-11T12:22:40.150-07:00

Ok, I finished the "Manifesto" and suggest that everyone should read it.

If nothing else, perhaps it will change some minds about whether or not
allowing children to watch TV influences their behavior.

Dorner didn't mention his favorite video games but I could probably make
some accurate guesses as to which ones would make the list.

As Mr. Grigg points out, our nation will never have an honest conversation
about what caused all of this.

I think Ron Paul's article, posted on Lew Rockwell today, provides some
useful insight.

Update: I'm working my way through Dorner'...

2013-02-11T11:56:47.461-07:00

Update: I'm working my way through Dorner's supposed manifesto and have
now arrived at the Mia Farrow/Senator Feinstein gun control accolade.

Now I'm smelling a rat, but am I smelling Dorner or someone else?

Perhaps the establishment has just supplied us with a domestic Osamma Bin Laden?

I'm ready to start taking bets that Dorner is never found and will remain at large.

Bets anyone?

Ok, I spoke a little too soon in the last post (I ...

2013-02-11T11:14:11.686-07:00

Ok, I spoke a little too soon in the last post (I too am susceptible
to emotional outbursts, but I soon regret them.)

We need to take Dorner alive, verify his story in a court, then shoot him.

The daughter was married so I'm not sure of her age.
Was it provoked? Was it Dorner?
This is why we have courts but I doubt he will make it to one.

For all I know, the so-called manifesto was not even posted by Dorner.

Due process is not just for the accused but also so the rest of us
can at least attempt to get to the truth.

@Keith Did you miss the fact that he shot to deat...

2013-02-11T11:00:13.426-07:00

@Keith

Did you miss the fact that he shot to death the daughter
of the lawyer that represented him at the Police Dept.
administrative hearing?

I believe she was a teenager?

Yes. He is completely out of his mind and has become
nothing more than a mad dog to be shot on sight.

I haven't read all of Dorner's "manif...

2013-02-11T10:12:59.097-07:00

I haven't read all of Dorner's "manifesto" - there's only so much twisted self importance, and grievance I can take,

has that twisted individual actually threatened productive citizens?

Local airports and homeowners are being warned of ...

2013-02-11T08:23:38.339-07:00

Local airports and homeowners are being warned of Dorner's desparation
to flee authorities.

They should all be armed and ready.

I can't think of anything more dangerous than a rogue cop and can't
think of any greater reason to possess a firearm, on your person.

Of course you won't hear that in the media, they will spin it in opposite terms.

Meanwhile, all of us are targets by both Dorner and panic stricken cops.

RE: The Chris Dorner hunt - the LAPD shoot 2 women...

2013-02-10T07:09:17.472-07:00

RE: The Chris Dorner hunt - the LAPD shoot 2 women in a truck as it looked the same.

Is this 'Officer Safety' in extremis - Officers may shoot at anything thatv makes them feel under threat.

The women will get a new truck - dismissive to the max.

cheers

re yr 2011 investigation -- http://news.yahoo.co...

2013-02-06T21:55:45.408-07:00

re yr 2011 investigation --

http://news.yahoo.com/7-calif-deputies-fired-roles-clique-020625228.html

a whitewash, but at least an acknowledgment that the gang existed! lol

well-done mr grigg, thanks for the good works

More on sheriffs protecting their constituents fro...

2013-02-04T15:09:16.508-07:00

More on sheriffs protecting their constituents from the federal govt:

www.prisonplanet.com

"UK gov't prosecutes farmer for selling raw milk." (Selfridges grocery and Steve Hook from 'The Moo Man.')

www.theblaze.com

"15 tons of cheese trashed
after
two-year raw milk battle ends and sheriff called in to carry out orders"

~
lava
~

Did you see that sniper Kyle got his comeuppance? ...

2013-02-04T00:16:42.492-07:00

Did you see that sniper Kyle got his comeuppance?

Yes, and at the hands of one of his fellow PTSD-addled vets, no less. Oh, delicious irony!

Of course, the decision to take this guy out to a firing range, given his condition, will not exactly go down in history as one of mankind's brighter ideas, even for a brainless thug like Kyle.

@Mohammed al-Kabuli: Don't even get me starte...

2013-02-04T00:10:15.500-07:00

@Mohammed al-Kabuli:

Don't even get me started on Dumbnik and the stillborn sheepletards with voter registration cards who've kept him in office for 32 f***ing years (if this isn't an airtight case for term limits in any office, then I don't know what would be)! Pima County obviously has the government it deserves - not that Dumbnik's opponents in the last election in November were any better than he is.

I could rant for hours about life in this land of beautiful scenery and climate that is also, unfortunately, home to some of the stupidest people to ever inhabit God's earth. But I save that for another forum.

I am surprised and a bit disappointed the sheriff ...

2013-02-04T00:00:02.710-07:00

I am surprised and a bit disappointed the sheriff and his SWAT team have not been discovered, bones bleaching in the desert.

Most of us have far too much love of and respect for the Sonora Desert to defile it with such trash.

Did you see that sniper Kyle got his comeuppance?

2013-02-03T11:55:19.452-07:00

Did you see that sniper Kyle got his comeuppance?

In Maryland, all handgun purchases are registered,...

2013-02-03T06:16:06.849-07:00

In Maryland, all handgun purchases are registered, as are all rifles deemed (by MD law) to be "assault rifles". (The usual crap about having adjustable stock, pistol grip, bayonet lug, etc.) Given that Baltimore County (which, in MD, is separate from Baltimore City) is relatively low-crime, one wonders how hard imaginations have to work to get warrants for so many SWAT raids.

I have lived in Baltimore County nearly all of my 61 years, and have personal knowledge of only a few house break-ins. Hardly the stuff to justify what the police are doing. Unless the goal is terrorizing the public into docile obedience.

They kill then they taunt the families of the Dead...

2013-02-02T19:20:41.809-07:00

They kill then they taunt the families of the Dead. Unbelievable.

In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance.

Punishment.

Will, the thing I noticed upon reading what is goi...

2013-02-02T17:03:55.502-07:00

Will, the thing I noticed upon reading what is going on in Maryland is that they mention the "safety" of officers first and the citizenry comes second. Naturally! What are WE but collateral damage in their puritanical zeal to walk all over us.

And that's why I smile every time when I read ...

2013-02-02T16:32:52.690-07:00

And that's why I smile every time when I read that a cop was shot.

Pussy Police pretending to be GI's with out th...

2013-02-02T16:29:01.317-07:00

Pussy Police pretending to be GI's with out the balls to go into real combat but revel in murders against innocents was a sore spot for Col Jeff Cooper..

I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as "ninja," when in the view of the critic the traditional role of the ninja in Japan was to fight against oppression and tyranny. Let us note that almost no one ever resorts to force and violence unless he is convinced that his cause is right, but without going into that let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic.

It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view.

Col. Jeff Cooper
From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries

I agree Completely to this day.

Yank lll

Just a few more factually recorded murders in fact...

2013-02-02T11:39:05.798-07:00

Just a few more factually recorded murders in facts and evidence and the criminal perpetrators not being held accountable for their domestic terrorist acts! We are paying for these terrorists and their families to murder our neighbors and families and allowing it! Well they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned ANYONE wearing a badge and a gun is a domestic terrorist until they prove different by their actions. Everyone needs a ballistic shield by their bed and a very heavy piece of firepower especially if you are good man or woman all they do is murder arbitrarily and then investigate their own men and OF COURSE find them free of any crime. Biggest terrorist, extortionate gang in We the Peoples country today. Another great example of your truth outing the terrorists currently being paid by us to murder us, appreciate it Will.

This is why the whole notion of "registration...

2013-02-02T09:43:10.232-07:00

This is why the whole notion of "registration" is in and of itself a link in your chains. They KNOW you have it so therefore you're already tagged. It's what they don't know that they fear. And to me that's just dandy.

Kevin, my point is a bit more subtle than that: My...

2013-02-02T09:10:54.642-07:00

Kevin, my point is a bit more subtle than that: My intent was to demonstrate that even those who fully submit to registration are considered expendable. It's possible that if Cheryl Lynn Noel and her older son hadn't registered their guns, the fatal SWAT raid wouldn't have been approved.

That's a case in which registering a gun arguably proved to be fatal.

well written but why you you say "properly re...

2013-02-02T09:06:37.816-07:00

well written but why you you say "properly registered" multiple times? is this just your way of showing that the ones murdered were in full submission to the govt? Ass kissing to the media and govt? At least you didn't say "law-abiding" as i hate that label even more. Law-abiding up to death & disarmament. just like the subjects you mention.

"(5) Consumed with fear and testosterone, the...

2013-02-02T08:39:27.631-07:00

"(5) Consumed with fear and testosterone, they react instinctively and fatally."
Don't forget the likliehood of steroids which shrink the testicles and cause inchoate fits of rage in addition to building muscle mass.
_revjen45

That Chief Johnson and Officer Artson aren't w...

2013-02-02T07:52:01.455-07:00

That Chief Johnson and Officer Artson aren't wearing orange jumpsuits or some similar clothing and getting three hots and a cot is a crime in itself. Instead we have the "Chief" testifying about the need to preserve the superiority of firepower of the police forces. And, Artson goes about his way continuing to murder in the name of the state. Seems like their brother Lon has some quality company.

Mr. St. Clair, thank you for that very important c...

2013-02-02T07:45:46.915-07:00

Mr. St. Clair, thank you for that very important correction, which has been made (and noted at the bottom of the essay).